• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 07:23
CET 13:23
KST 21:23
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview0TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners11Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12
Community News
[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation10Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA8StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7
StarCraft 2
General
[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada Craziest Micro Moments Of All Time?
Tourneys
RSL S3 Round of 16 Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions BW General Discussion Terran 1:35 12 Gas Optimization BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] RO32 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO32 Group C - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta PvZ map balance How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Dyadica Gospel – a Pulp No…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1821 users

US Politics Mega-thread - Page 1287

Forum Index > General Forum
Post a Reply
Prev 1 1285 1286 1287 1288 1289 5354 Next
Now that we have a new thread, in order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a complete and thorough read before posting!

NOTE: When providing a source, please provide a very brief summary on what it's about and what purpose it adds to the discussion. The supporting statement should clearly explain why the subject is relevant and needs to be discussed. Please follow this rule especially for tweets.

Your supporting statement should always come BEFORE you provide the source.


If you have any questions, comments, concern, or feedback regarding the USPMT, then please use this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/website-feedback/510156-us-politics-thread
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
April 06 2019 22:12 GMT
#25721
I’m going to continue to use the term to describe articles based on falsehoods, or articles whose primary objective is to mislead or obfuscate,


Just quoting this here for the inevitable walkback once FOX articles get cited. Pretty much any political FOX news article.

I'm absolutely convinced you'd call them fake news too, since they're designed to mislead, whatabout or obfuscate - i'd just like to make sure.
On track to MA1950A.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
April 07 2019 02:14 GMT
#25722
On April 07 2019 07:12 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
I’m going to continue to use the term to describe articles based on falsehoods, or articles whose primary objective is to mislead or obfuscate,


Just quoting this here for the inevitable walkback once FOX articles get cited. Pretty much any political FOX news article.

I'm absolutely convinced you'd call them fake news too, since they're designed to mislead, whatabout or obfuscate - i'd just like to make sure.

Just to make sure, what do you call the original poster's tweet alleging Trump had called asylum seekers "animals?" Like you, I'm confident you'll use a condemning term for it, but I've gotten so much "Never mind about that bit, the real news is Trump is still a racist!" that I'd like to hear you on the record.

In America, it fooled several politicians and several members of the media.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
April 07 2019 02:25 GMT
#25723
I mean, he would go on to repeatedly refer to asylum seekers as an "invasion", so I'm not really sure what you want us to think. That poor Donald Trump is being mischaracterized? What a hard go of it he's getting.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26029 Posts
April 07 2019 02:28 GMT
#25724
On April 07 2019 11:14 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2019 07:12 m4ini wrote:
I’m going to continue to use the term to describe articles based on falsehoods, or articles whose primary objective is to mislead or obfuscate,


Just quoting this here for the inevitable walkback once FOX articles get cited. Pretty much any political FOX news article.

I'm absolutely convinced you'd call them fake news too, since they're designed to mislead, whatabout or obfuscate - i'd just like to make sure.

Just to make sure, what do you call the original poster's tweet alleging Trump had called asylum seekers "animals?" Like you, I'm confident you'll use a condemning term for it, but I've gotten so much "Never mind about that bit, the real news is Trump is still a racist!" that I'd like to hear you on the record.

In America, it fooled several politicians and several members of the media.

Ok so the media fucked up there, by the looks of my googling around that was a poor job on their part on this, and one politicians shouldn’t have fallen for.

Trump said wind turbines cause cancer and kill birds what, this week?

Again, the media didn’t do a good job there, they were suckered in by ‘well it is Trump so he probably did say that’ without doing their job properly, and it’s perfectly right to criticise them, no arguments there.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
April 07 2019 02:32 GMT
#25725
--- Nuked ---
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26029 Posts
April 07 2019 02:33 GMT
#25726
On April 07 2019 11:25 NewSunshine wrote:
I mean, he would go on to repeatedly refer to asylum seekers as an "invasion", so I'm not really sure what you want us to think. That poor Donald Trump is being mischaracterized? What a hard go of it he's getting.

And as said here.

Yes the media got it wrong here, does it ultimately matter as it pertains to the guy’s rhetoric in its totality? No, not really.

He still said that, he still said ‘some I assume are good people’ and he’s been happy to dogwhistle for years.

I’m still against bad reporting and journalistic standards, I’m accepting of partisanship if it revolves around interpretation of information rather than pushing stuff that isn’t factually accurate.

So if he didn’t actually say x, don’t report it as the truth. On that yes I don’t think how that story was disseminated was fair at all.

'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-07 02:35:39
April 07 2019 02:33 GMT
#25727
On April 07 2019 11:28 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2019 11:14 Danglars wrote:
On April 07 2019 07:12 m4ini wrote:
I’m going to continue to use the term to describe articles based on falsehoods, or articles whose primary objective is to mislead or obfuscate,


Just quoting this here for the inevitable walkback once FOX articles get cited. Pretty much any political FOX news article.

I'm absolutely convinced you'd call them fake news too, since they're designed to mislead, whatabout or obfuscate - i'd just like to make sure.

Just to make sure, what do you call the original poster's tweet alleging Trump had called asylum seekers "animals?" Like you, I'm confident you'll use a condemning term for it, but I've gotten so much "Never mind about that bit, the real news is Trump is still a racist!" that I'd like to hear you on the record.

In America, it fooled several politicians and several members of the media.

Ok so the media fucked up there, by the looks of my googling around that was a poor job on their part on this, and one politicians shouldn’t have fallen for.

Trump said wind turbines cause cancer and kill birds what, this week?

Again, the media didn’t do a good job there, they were suckered in by ‘well it is Trump so he probably did say that’ without doing their job properly, and it’s perfectly right to criticise them, no arguments there.

The criticism is valid. The problem is when Danglars tries to wave it around like it means Trump isn't actually racist as shit. Like he hasn't also done a ton of other shit to merit the description.

The media isn't perfect. It has its own problems. But so do you, if you give Fox News a pass, while painting the rest of them the enemy of the people. That kind of rhetoric has not garnered a positive light, historically speaking. Espouse it at your own risk.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26029 Posts
April 07 2019 02:45 GMT
#25728
On April 07 2019 11:33 NewSunshine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2019 11:28 Wombat_NI wrote:
On April 07 2019 11:14 Danglars wrote:
On April 07 2019 07:12 m4ini wrote:
I’m going to continue to use the term to describe articles based on falsehoods, or articles whose primary objective is to mislead or obfuscate,


Just quoting this here for the inevitable walkback once FOX articles get cited. Pretty much any political FOX news article.

I'm absolutely convinced you'd call them fake news too, since they're designed to mislead, whatabout or obfuscate - i'd just like to make sure.

Just to make sure, what do you call the original poster's tweet alleging Trump had called asylum seekers "animals?" Like you, I'm confident you'll use a condemning term for it, but I've gotten so much "Never mind about that bit, the real news is Trump is still a racist!" that I'd like to hear you on the record.

In America, it fooled several politicians and several members of the media.

Ok so the media fucked up there, by the looks of my googling around that was a poor job on their part on this, and one politicians shouldn’t have fallen for.

Trump said wind turbines cause cancer and kill birds what, this week?

Again, the media didn’t do a good job there, they were suckered in by ‘well it is Trump so he probably did say that’ without doing their job properly, and it’s perfectly right to criticise them, no arguments there.

The criticism is valid. The problem is when Danglars tries to wave it around like it means Trump isn't actually racist as shit. Like he hasn't also done a ton of other shit to merit the description.

The media isn't perfect. It has its own problems. But so do you, if you give Fox News a pass, while painting the rest of them the enemy of the people.

Trump does enough bad stuff anyway you don’t need to be inaccurate, at all. Any time you do just gives fodder to the ‘I’m really the victim’ crowd, who will point to some conspiracy or another.

I personally prefer Fox News to some of the alternatives that have sprung up in the Facebook era, at least Fox is subject to certain laws regarding veracity, libel etc despite their obvious bias.

Maybe I don’t consume much Fox so I might be wrong, it’s not that platform that promulgates the insane shit like Pizzagate or that Clinton kills everyone (except Anthony Weiner)

It’s not complicated with Trump. If you had a person come into your life who basically everyone you asked said they were full of shit and not to be trusted, and their response was ‘everyone but me is a liar’ you’d give that person a wide berth. Apparently if they’re the President some don’t apply that rule of thumb.

That Trump can somehow wield the ‘fake news’ charge as a weapon while simultaneously being the biggest provable bullshitter that’s ever come close to such an office in my time being aware of such things is bizarre. Like it’s honestly not even close at all.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-07 02:49:03
April 07 2019 02:48 GMT
#25729
Its sort of amazing this discussion continues to be about the news media when that out of context(but still terrible) clip is being circulated by non news media people on twitter. There is no news agencies involved with Danglers fake news. Just me posting something like a dumb ass, for the second time. Trump is still racist, just to be clear.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26029 Posts
April 07 2019 02:59 GMT
#25730
On April 07 2019 11:48 Plansix wrote:
Its sort of amazing this discussion continues to be about the news media when that out of context(but still terrible) clip is being circulated by non news media people on twitter. There is no news agencies involved with Danglers fake news. Just me posting something like a dumb ass, for the second time. Trump is still racist, just to be clear.

You should rename yourself to Plannine for Ed Wood Kudos

Are you trying to be sensible in current year? This is the year where CNN, the WSJ, NYT, the BBC are all Marxist shills trying to destroy Western civilisation and Trump

Far as I could tell you recognised your mistake and fessed up to it, pretty early.

I disagree on Trump being a racist. He’s probably something worse than that, which is an egoistical lunatic with no principles whatsoever and no real sense of how to be a decent human being, so he just blows whatever way the wind blows, which kind of fits him as he’s a windbag himself.

If Mexicans (for some reason) became a big supporting part of his base, he’d start talking about how great they are, black folks the same etc etc

It’s an experiment in having a guy who is basically pure ego and zero anything else running a major country, and I can’t say I’m a fan.

I mean I’m pretty darn left wing myself, I can still at some level respect someone like Ron Paul who is further from me politically than Trump is theoretically because, basically I believe that he believes in his platform, as wrong as I think it might be, if nothing else Ron Paul is a libertarian, and consistently has acted on that basis throughout his political career.

What is Trump?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 07 2019 03:17 GMT
#25731
Ron Paul is just a feckless coward that talks like he is a libertarian. But he has ceded so much power to the executive branch without batting an eye it’s hard to take him seriously any more.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26029 Posts
April 07 2019 03:21 GMT
#25732
On April 07 2019 12:17 Plansix wrote:
Ron Paul is just a feckless coward that talks like he is a libertarian. But he has ceded so much power to the executive branch without batting an eye it’s hard to take him seriously any more.

Well be that as it may you get the basic point. One might hate his ideas but at least we know what Bernie Sanders actual ideas are. Or whoever you want to name really

'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23464 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-07 03:29:39
April 07 2019 03:25 GMT
#25733
On April 07 2019 11:59 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2019 11:48 Plansix wrote:
Its sort of amazing this discussion continues to be about the news media when that out of context(but still terrible) clip is being circulated by non news media people on twitter. There is no news agencies involved with Danglers fake news. Just me posting something like a dumb ass, for the second time. Trump is still racist, just to be clear.

You should rename yourself to Plannine for Ed Wood Kudos

Are you trying to be sensible in current year? This is the year where CNN, the WSJ, NYT, the BBC are all Marxist shills trying to destroy Western civilisation and Trump

Far as I could tell you recognised your mistake and fessed up to it, pretty early.

I disagree on Trump being a racist. He’s probably something worse than that, which is an egoistical lunatic with no principles whatsoever and no real sense of how to be a decent human being, so he just blows whatever way the wind blows, which kind of fits him as he’s a windbag himself.

If Mexicans (for some reason) became a big supporting part of his base, he’d start talking about how great they are, black folks the same etc etc

It’s an experiment in having a guy who is basically pure ego and zero anything else running a major country, and I can’t say I’m a fan.

I mean I’m pretty darn left wing myself, I can still at some level respect someone like Ron Paul who is further from me politically than Trump is theoretically because, basically I believe that he believes in his platform, as wrong as I think it might be, if nothing else Ron Paul is a libertarian, and consistently has acted on that basis throughout his political career.

What is Trump?



Been a while, so I'm not sure, is this

Are you trying to be sensible in current year? This is the year where CNN, the WSJ, NYT, the BBC are all Marxist shills trying to destroy Western civilisation and Trump


sincere or sarcasm?

and are we supposed to be talking about Ron Paul or Rand?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26029 Posts
April 07 2019 03:36 GMT
#25734
Sarcasm, apologies if I didn’t make it clear.

My sole point re invoking Ron Paul was at least one vaguely knows what he stands for, be you in vehement disagreement or on his page, or in between.

As a counterpoint to Trump who I don’t think actually has deep convictions on basically anything and bends whatever way that suits him, was the first example I could think of, perhaps there are better.

So while I don’t necessarily agree that he’s a horrible racist who wants to do x y and z, but a pure opportunist who will be racist if he thinks it suits him, or ‘egalitarian’ when it does.

He’s a wrecking ball who doesn’t care who gets sacrificed between actualising his egotism or not, can be minorities, can be the media, can be basically anyone.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 07 2019 03:45 GMT
#25735
He also doesn’t give a shit about anything but his gut feeling on a subject and will spend hours finding someone for tell him he is right. And that leads to a lot of racist stereotypes being reinforced or going unchallenged.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
April 07 2019 03:52 GMT
#25736
On April 07 2019 12:36 Wombat_NI wrote:
Sarcasm, apologies if I didn’t make it clear.

My sole point re invoking Ron Paul was at least one vaguely knows what he stands for, be you in vehement disagreement or on his page, or in between.

As a counterpoint to Trump who I don’t think actually has deep convictions on basically anything and bends whatever way that suits him, was the first example I could think of, perhaps there are better.

So while I don’t necessarily agree that he’s a horrible racist who wants to do x y and z, but a pure opportunist who will be racist if he thinks it suits him, or ‘egalitarian’ when it does.

He’s a wrecking ball who doesn’t care who gets sacrificed between actualising his egotism or not, can be minorities, can be the media, can be basically anyone.

To be fair, racism is defined, in part, by its systemic nature, which involves people taking advantage of it when it suits them. So yeah, you can argue that that's what Trump really is, but it doesn't really make him not a racist. He's doing what just about every other racist has done with it.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23464 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-07 04:09:26
April 07 2019 04:02 GMT
#25737
On April 07 2019 12:36 Wombat_NI wrote:
Sarcasm, apologies if I didn’t make it clear.

My sole point re invoking Ron Paul was at least one vaguely knows what he stands for, be you in vehement disagreement or on his page, or in between.

As a counterpoint to Trump who I don’t think actually has deep convictions on basically anything and bends whatever way that suits him, was the first example I could think of, perhaps there are better.

So while I don’t necessarily agree that he’s a horrible racist who wants to do x y and z, but a pure opportunist who will be racist if he thinks it suits him, or ‘egalitarian’ when it does.

He’s a wrecking ball who doesn’t care who gets sacrificed between actualising his egotism or not, can be minorities, can be the media, can be basically anyone.



No problem, probably easier to tell for people who have read more of your posts. On Ron Paul I agree, I didn't follow him closely or anything but to the best of my limited knowledge he was consistent while in office. Pretty sure he sold out somewhat after leaving but I'm not sure if it would actually conflict with his views/positions since he is a private citizen now.

Rand, (which I think P6 was referencing) is another story. He talks a big game but he's more like Trump than his dad when it comes to principle. There's a lot of overlap between his obnoxious self-interest and the appearance of adhering to Ron's political legacy so they can be easily conflated imo.

I mostly agree on Trump too but would add that beyond his egotism there's the underlying racial dynamics of the US (as I understand them) that doesn't make him especially more racist than your typical wealthy white guy, however, the default is pretty racist already.

That's just to say having discriminated in housing, ran one's mouth about the guilt of Black kids, exploit undocumented workers, etc... are things many wealthy white guys have done, but just because it's popular and largely accepted, doesn't mean it's not all racist.

I've said (probably before you were here [posting frequently anyway]) that I don't think racism is his animus though, more like a lens.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26029 Posts
April 07 2019 04:18 GMT
#25738
On April 07 2019 12:52 NewSunshine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2019 12:36 Wombat_NI wrote:
Sarcasm, apologies if I didn’t make it clear.

My sole point re invoking Ron Paul was at least one vaguely knows what he stands for, be you in vehement disagreement or on his page, or in between.

As a counterpoint to Trump who I don’t think actually has deep convictions on basically anything and bends whatever way that suits him, was the first example I could think of, perhaps there are better.

So while I don’t necessarily agree that he’s a horrible racist who wants to do x y and z, but a pure opportunist who will be racist if he thinks it suits him, or ‘egalitarian’ when it does.

He’s a wrecking ball who doesn’t care who gets sacrificed between actualising his egotism or not, can be minorities, can be the media, can be basically anyone.

To be fair, racism is defined, in part, by its systemic nature, which involves people taking advantage of it when it suits them. So yeah, you can argue that that's what Trump really is, but it doesn't really make him not a racist. He's doing what just about every other racist has done with it.

I think that’s absolutely fair, and to me being willing to dogwhistle and appeal to racist forces is just as bad anyway.

I wasn’t meaning to downplay that aspect of him, more to draw attention to the flagrant opportunism and lack of real convictions of the man.

Apologies if i seemed to be downplaying the seriousness of his racial baiting.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26029 Posts
April 07 2019 04:25 GMT
#25739
On April 07 2019 13:02 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2019 12:36 Wombat_NI wrote:
Sarcasm, apologies if I didn’t make it clear.

My sole point re invoking Ron Paul was at least one vaguely knows what he stands for, be you in vehement disagreement or on his page, or in between.

As a counterpoint to Trump who I don’t think actually has deep convictions on basically anything and bends whatever way that suits him, was the first example I could think of, perhaps there are better.

So while I don’t necessarily agree that he’s a horrible racist who wants to do x y and z, but a pure opportunist who will be racist if he thinks it suits him, or ‘egalitarian’ when it does.

He’s a wrecking ball who doesn’t care who gets sacrificed between actualising his egotism or not, can be minorities, can be the media, can be basically anyone.



No problem, probably easier to tell for people who have read more of your posts. On Ron Paul I agree, I didn't follow him closely or anything but to the best of my limited knowledge he was consistent while in office. Pretty sure he sold out somewhat after leaving but I'm not sure if it would actually conflict with his views/positions since he is a private citizen now.

Rand, (which I think P6 was referencing) is another story. He talks a big game but he's more like Trump than his dad when it comes to principle. There's a lot of overlap between his obnoxious self-interest and the appearance of adhering to Ron's political legacy so they can be easily conflated imo.

I mostly agree on Trump too but would add that beyond his egotism there's the underlying racial dynamics of the US (as I understand them) that doesn't make him especially more racist than your typical wealthy white guy, however, the default is pretty racist already.

That's just to say having discriminated in housing, ran one's mouth about the guilt of Black kids, exploit undocumented workers, etc... are things many wealthy white guys have done, but just because it's popular and largely accepted, doesn't mean it's not all racist.

I've said (probably before you were here [posting frequently anyway]) that I don't think racism is his animus though, more like a lens.

I just recall Ron Paul at some debate and he said that US interventionist foreign policy and 9/11 had some link and he got hardcore booed but he stuck by his point regardless.

Again he’s basically at the opposite end of the political spectrum to me, but I respected that, I can respect folks I see as honest political interlocutors (well, to some degree)

I’d rather be dealing with an odd libertarian fellow than someone who has zero political convictions whatsoever.

Look honestly I’d considered Trump a horrible human being anyway through his general conduct with anyone who doesn’t suck him off, some of the stuff I’ve seen here is new to me so I’ll have to go hunt it out.

On the ‘well he employs x people’ I mean Donald Stirling employed black people, doesn’t mean he didn’t hold them in contempt
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
April 07 2019 05:33 GMT
#25740
On April 07 2019 11:28 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2019 11:14 Danglars wrote:
On April 07 2019 07:12 m4ini wrote:
I’m going to continue to use the term to describe articles based on falsehoods, or articles whose primary objective is to mislead or obfuscate,


Just quoting this here for the inevitable walkback once FOX articles get cited. Pretty much any political FOX news article.

I'm absolutely convinced you'd call them fake news too, since they're designed to mislead, whatabout or obfuscate - i'd just like to make sure.

Just to make sure, what do you call the original poster's tweet alleging Trump had called asylum seekers "animals?" Like you, I'm confident you'll use a condemning term for it, but I've gotten so much "Never mind about that bit, the real news is Trump is still a racist!" that I'd like to hear you on the record.

In America, it fooled several politicians and several members of the media.

Ok so the media fucked up there, by the looks of my googling around that was a poor job on their part on this, and one politicians shouldn’t have fallen for.

Trump said wind turbines cause cancer and kill birds what, this week?

Again, the media didn’t do a good job there, they were suckered in by ‘well it is Trump so he probably did say that’ without doing their job properly, and it’s perfectly right to criticise them, no arguments there.

You've gotten to my essential point. He says enough moronic stuff on a regular basis to ensure his reputation and character doesn't improve by regular journalistic malpractice. The media have an institutional reputation to try to build, if preserving it at this point is untenable. Trump's gone after two or six years, but we're stuck with a media that will spread stupid lies that are too good to check out.

+ Show Spoiler +





The only truly noteworthy thing is the story only stood out to me because some national news source like CNN edited out the question to make it look like he was referring to all immigrants instead of MS-13 gangs. A year ago the fake news was on illegal immigrants, today it's about asylum seekers. The biggest hope for the future is to check out the stories before retweeting to millions of followers who think you must've checked it out to circulate it.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
Prev 1 1285 1286 1287 1288 1289 5354 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Korean Royale
12:00
Group Stage 1 - Group B
LiquipediaDiscussion
Kung Fu Cup
12:00
2025 Monthly #3: Day 2
MaNa vs ShoWTimE
Classic vs Cure
Reynor vs TBD
RotterdaM326
SteadfastSC21
IntoTheiNu 12
Liquipedia
RSL Revival
10:00
Group A
Solar vs MaxPaxLIVE!
Zoun vs Bunny
Crank 1182
Tasteless591
ComeBackTV 531
IndyStarCraft 124
Rex116
3DClanTV 55
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Crank 1182
Tasteless 591
RotterdaM 326
IndyStarCraft 124
SortOf 123
Rex 116
SteadfastSC 21
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 6770
Calm 4899
Bisu 2639
Sea 1837
Horang2 1387
Free 974
Last 196
Leta 170
sSak 94
Rush 88
[ Show more ]
ZerO 78
JulyZerg 71
hero 59
ToSsGirL 54
Aegong 50
Backho 49
Sea.KH 43
Barracks 41
Icarus 25
Terrorterran 21
Noble 19
ajuk12(nOOB) 7
Dota 2
Dendi572
XcaliburYe222
BananaSlamJamma207
League of Legends
Reynor88
Counter-Strike
olofmeister701
zeus528
x6flipin511
allub82
Other Games
B2W.Neo963
crisheroes319
ZerO(Twitch)5
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick491
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 11 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Stunt725
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Monday
12h 37m
RSL Revival
21h 37m
Classic vs Creator
Cure vs TriGGeR
Kung Fu Cup
23h 37m
herO vs TBD
CranKy Ducklings
1d 21h
RSL Revival
1d 21h
herO vs Gerald
ByuN vs SHIN
Kung Fu Cup
1d 23h
IPSL
2 days
ZZZero vs rasowy
Napoleon vs KameZerg
BSL 21
2 days
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Reynor vs sOs
Maru vs Ryung
[ Show More ]
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
BSL 21
3 days
JDConan vs Semih
Dragon vs Dienmax
Tech vs NewOcean
TerrOr vs Artosis
IPSL
3 days
Dewalt vs WolFix
eOnzErG vs Bonyth
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-07
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 3
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual

Upcoming

SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.