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Ryzel
United States558 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On April 03 2019 03:02 Ryzel wrote: Eh, it behooves him at this point to be combative about anything Dems want for the sake of riling up his base and “fighting for them”. This. And looking at his tweets, I'm not sure that he's really arguing against release of the report. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12502 Posts
On April 03 2019 02:51 Excludos wrote: What they forget is that the worse the third world is doing, the more immigrants the first world gets. It's even weirder that the same people who doesn't want or believe in climate change are often the ones most against immigration. You'd think they'd work hard to make sure immigrants didn't have a reason to come over in the first place...but nah, wall! Maybe they aren't forgetting it. Maybe enforcing strong borders and letting them die is part of the "solution". | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On April 03 2019 02:51 Excludos wrote: What they forget is that the worse the third world is doing, the more immigrants the first world gets. It's even weirder that the same people who doesn't want or believe in climate change are often the ones most against immigration. You'd think they'd work hard to make sure immigrants didn't have a reason to come over in the first place...but nah, wall! It's not weird at all. I don't think Trump is smart enough to think this far ahead, but the cynical take would be that they don't deny climate change at all, they just fundamentally disagree with how to address it. Their preferred response is to hoard resources and wealth, sit behind a barrier, and allow potentially billions of people to die from climate related crises over the next 100 years. That is preferable to them instead of trying to actually save the planet. | ||
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ShambhalaWar
United States930 Posts
On April 02 2019 17:12 Velr wrote: Uhm... That China is building coal plants like mad is common knowledge, China was never depictet anywhere as a renewable powerhouse. And why wouldn't "westerners" focus on, well, the west? Your fighting against strawmen that don't exist and your argument in the end boils down to: "LOOK CHINA IS BAD!". China accounts for all most half of the entire worlds spending on renewable energy, making it by far the leading investor in renewables. US is second and China spends 3 times what we do investing in renewable energy. https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/china-spends-three-times-as-much-on-renewable-ener/ Renewable energy is as much an economic issue as it is and eco friendly issue. Renewables/clean will be the future industry of energy, fossil fuel will continue to decline for multiple reasons. So whoever leads in production clean/renewable technology will have a huge economic advantage, right now that is China. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14187 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18412 Posts
On April 03 2019 03:47 Sermokala wrote: You can't trust china's numbers when everyone acepts how corrupt and state run those investments are. Theres no way those numbers arn't inflated and/or embezzled to the people in charge of those projects. I'm not sure it matters. China is by far the major exporter of photovoltaics and turbines (both wind and hydroelectric). They have a solid grasp on the material sciences behind it and are actively investing in research into renewable technologies. Oh, and they are getting an ever more encompassing monopoly on the rare earth minerals that go into most of those technologies. Meanwhile Trump is reopening coal mines. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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ShambhalaWar
United States930 Posts
On April 03 2019 03:47 Sermokala wrote: You can't trust china's numbers when everyone acepts how corrupt and state run those investments are. Theres no way those numbers arn't inflated and/or embezzled to the people in charge of those projects. Your statement is purely anecdotal, regardless of what you want to believe about reality... It won't change the actual fact that we will continue to slide behind other world powers economically because our ability to produce and research these new technologies will have been slowed by lack of investment. Instead we are maintaining an investment in a dying industry (fossil fuel). China will become a major exporter, while we will just be a consumer and will have growing dependency on them. Basically, we as a country are saying that commodore 64 computers are wholesome great computers and we can't see why anyone would want to make something better (which is purely political and for the benefit of commodore 64 manufacturers). | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
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ShambhalaWar
United States930 Posts
On April 03 2019 04:22 Plansix wrote: We can be cautious about the numbers being provided by the Chinese government and still be worried that they are going to dominate the emerging market of renewable energy tech. If they beat us out in R&D and distribution, it is unlikely that China will be dumb enough to send all of their tech manufacturing to the US so we can steal it and play catch up. We can be cautious, and... it's not some big secret, there are many sources reporting the same thing. https://www.iea.org/weo/china/ Plus pollution is a huge problem there, they need to act otherwise they won't have breathable air, so renewable make logical sense. They have roughly the same space as we do in the USA, but have 1.1 billion more people... Which is insane. Less clean air to go around. And yes I doubt they would ever send manufacturing jobs over here, it would always be cheaper there and they have an infrastructure for it, while we let ours deteriorate and outsourced our labor. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14187 Posts
That same pollution, however, is an even bigger issue with how reliant their economy and food supply is/will become reliant on shipping which produces the majority of the worlds co2. Btw real classy questioning what reality I want to believe in and then a few posts later saying how its common knowledge how corupt and questionable china's investment numbers are. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On April 03 2019 02:51 Excludos wrote: What they forget is that the worse the third world is doing, the more immigrants the first world gets. It's even weirder that the same people who doesn't want or believe in climate change are often the ones most against immigration. You'd think they'd work hard to make sure immigrants didn't have a reason to come over in the first place...but nah, wall! Or, by decrying the current migrants(legal, illegal, or asylum) as an invasion, you potentially have yourself a populace that is desensitized to the plight of "others" when the masses of people fleeing low lying coastal lands inevitably hit the border. On April 03 2019 03:47 Sermokala wrote: You can't trust china's numbers when everyone acepts how corrupt and state run those investments are. Theres no way those numbers arn't inflated and/or embezzled to the people in charge of those projects. Even if the numbers are artificially doubled, they'd still be investing 50% more than the USA. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On April 03 2019 06:17 JimmiC wrote: I thought this was huge news that in a 5-4 vote a man was rejected for having his Inman in the death chamber with him. A christian spiritual adviser being allowed but a Muslim one not being allowed is a huge statement to make. That the US is not about protecting religious freedom any more. It is about protecting christian freedom. Scary times, and I think some of the justices realize this and this is why they are commenting about it in other cases. I hope they see what direction this is taking the country and smartin up. https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/01/politics/supreme-court-feuding-death-penalty-bucklew-alabama/index.html Perhaps you should read the opinion (or the CNN article) to at least understand why an imam was not allowed? Here's a hint: it had nothing to do with religion. | ||
KwarK
United States44243 Posts
On April 03 2019 06:38 xDaunt wrote: Perhaps you should read the opinion (or the CNN article) to at least understand why an imam was not allowed? Here's a hint: it had nothing to do with religion. You can’t argue that only staff members can provide religious counseling while only hiring a Christian pastor as a staff member. That’s still discrimination. You offer religious counsel or you don’t. You can’t hire a pastor, offer Christian counseling to Christians, and then insist that your “staff counseling only” rule is non discriminatory. | ||
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