|
Now that we have a new thread, in order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a complete and thorough read before posting! NOTE: When providing a source, please provide a very brief summary on what it's about and what purpose it adds to the discussion. The supporting statement should clearly explain why the subject is relevant and needs to be discussed. Please follow this rule especially for tweets.
Your supporting statement should always come BEFORE you provide the source.If you have any questions, comments, concern, or feedback regarding the USPMT, then please use this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/website-feedback/510156-us-politics-thread |
On March 27 2019 03:14 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2019 03:03 Danglars wrote:I spoke too soon to Mohdoo about wrapping up the false hate crimeallegedly committed by Jussie Smolett. His employer, lawyers, and family are claiming vindication for having been the victim of a hate crime attack since charges were dropped. Those unidentified attackers are still out there somewhere. Let us all sympathize with him for being a victim and falsely blamed and vilified. Today, all criminal charges against Jussie Smollett were dropped and his record has been wiped clean of the filing of this tragic complaint against him. Jussie was attacked by two people he was unable to identify on January 29th. He was a victim who was vilified and made to appear as a perpetrator as a result of false and inappropriate remarks made to the public causing an inappropriate rush to judgment. Our son and brother is an innocent man whose name and character has been unjustly smeared. Jussie is a son, a brother, a partner, a champion for human rights, and a genuine soul who would never be capable of what he was falsely accused of. He was the victim of an assault and then falsely blamed for his own attack. This morning truth has prevailed and he has been vindicated. All charges have been dismissed and his record expunged (cleared). The painful incidents we’ve witnessed him endure over the past 7 weeks have been heartbreaking and unjust to say the least. While many were quick to rush to judgement before hearing the actual truth, we are grateful that the truth about Jussie has come to light. We look forward to bringing the real perpetrators to justice. We thank God and our village for standing by us during this trying time. Statement of Smolett’s lawyers and family, qtd in The Blast Just look at Reddit if you want to see the left's view of this. Hes toast. No one believes him and his career is still over. He just found a way to evade legal recourse. If anything, this ended up as a victory for the right since now they can point to this and the left has nothing to say.
Why go on reddit? Even the Mayor of Chicago is calling the trial an ‘abomination’.
|
On March 27 2019 10:16 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2019 03:14 Mohdoo wrote:On March 27 2019 03:03 Danglars wrote:I spoke too soon to Mohdoo about wrapping up the false hate crimeallegedly committed by Jussie Smolett. His employer, lawyers, and family are claiming vindication for having been the victim of a hate crime attack since charges were dropped. Those unidentified attackers are still out there somewhere. Let us all sympathize with him for being a victim and falsely blamed and vilified. Today, all criminal charges against Jussie Smollett were dropped and his record has been wiped clean of the filing of this tragic complaint against him. Jussie was attacked by two people he was unable to identify on January 29th. He was a victim who was vilified and made to appear as a perpetrator as a result of false and inappropriate remarks made to the public causing an inappropriate rush to judgment. Our son and brother is an innocent man whose name and character has been unjustly smeared. Jussie is a son, a brother, a partner, a champion for human rights, and a genuine soul who would never be capable of what he was falsely accused of. He was the victim of an assault and then falsely blamed for his own attack. This morning truth has prevailed and he has been vindicated. All charges have been dismissed and his record expunged (cleared). The painful incidents we’ve witnessed him endure over the past 7 weeks have been heartbreaking and unjust to say the least. While many were quick to rush to judgement before hearing the actual truth, we are grateful that the truth about Jussie has come to light. We look forward to bringing the real perpetrators to justice. We thank God and our village for standing by us during this trying time. Statement of Smolett’s lawyers and family, qtd in The Blast Just look at Reddit if you want to see the left's view of this. Hes toast. No one believes him and his career is still over. He just found a way to evade legal recourse. If anything, this ended up as a victory for the right since now they can point to this and the left has nothing to say. Why go on reddit? Even the Mayor of Chicago is calling the trial an ‘abomination’.
Ah yes, Rahm Emanuel, mayor of one of the most upright cities in America, with certifiably one of the least corrupt police forces in the same. His word is the gold standard by which we should judge everything.
Sarcasm implied. Now explicit.
|
On March 27 2019 08:59 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2019 02:29 Plansix wrote:
Yeah, I got into a pretty harsh exchange with a young, new co-worker who wanted the ACA to blow up because he didn't like the goverment being involved. He had no stakes in the outcome and only wanted it because "he believed in smaller goverment." I don't think he ever got into a discussion about politics where what he wanted would negatively impact someone that was right in front of him. What was the outcome? Did you change his views?
He doesn’t like government for reason he cannot articulate well, but doesn’t want people to lose healthcare. It is the classic wanting to fear the big bad government, but not wanting the consequences of a true hands off government would entail.
|
United States44132 Posts
On March 27 2019 10:19 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2019 08:59 iamthedave wrote:On March 27 2019 02:29 Plansix wrote:
Yeah, I got into a pretty harsh exchange with a young, new co-worker who wanted the ACA to blow up because he didn't like the goverment being involved. He had no stakes in the outcome and only wanted it because "he believed in smaller goverment." I don't think he ever got into a discussion about politics where what he wanted would negatively impact someone that was right in front of him. What was the outcome? Did you change his views? He doesn’t like government for reason he cannot articulate well, but doesn’t want people to lose healthcare. It is the classic wanting to fear the big bad government, but not wanting the consequences of a true hands off government would entail.
It’s always fun to explain to old people that the free market solution to their healthcare is for them to die. They’re uninsurable without government intervention.
|
On March 27 2019 10:18 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2019 10:16 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On March 27 2019 03:14 Mohdoo wrote:On March 27 2019 03:03 Danglars wrote:I spoke too soon to Mohdoo about wrapping up the false hate crimeallegedly committed by Jussie Smolett. His employer, lawyers, and family are claiming vindication for having been the victim of a hate crime attack since charges were dropped. Those unidentified attackers are still out there somewhere. Let us all sympathize with him for being a victim and falsely blamed and vilified. Today, all criminal charges against Jussie Smollett were dropped and his record has been wiped clean of the filing of this tragic complaint against him. Jussie was attacked by two people he was unable to identify on January 29th. He was a victim who was vilified and made to appear as a perpetrator as a result of false and inappropriate remarks made to the public causing an inappropriate rush to judgment. Our son and brother is an innocent man whose name and character has been unjustly smeared. Jussie is a son, a brother, a partner, a champion for human rights, and a genuine soul who would never be capable of what he was falsely accused of. He was the victim of an assault and then falsely blamed for his own attack. This morning truth has prevailed and he has been vindicated. All charges have been dismissed and his record expunged (cleared). The painful incidents we’ve witnessed him endure over the past 7 weeks have been heartbreaking and unjust to say the least. While many were quick to rush to judgement before hearing the actual truth, we are grateful that the truth about Jussie has come to light. We look forward to bringing the real perpetrators to justice. We thank God and our village for standing by us during this trying time. Statement of Smolett’s lawyers and family, qtd in The Blast Just look at Reddit if you want to see the left's view of this. Hes toast. No one believes him and his career is still over. He just found a way to evade legal recourse. If anything, this ended up as a victory for the right since now they can point to this and the left has nothing to say. Why go on reddit? Even the Mayor of Chicago is calling the trial an ‘abomination’. Ah yes, Rahm Emanuel, mayor of one of the most upright cities in America, with certifiably one of the least corrupt police forces in the same. His word is the gold standard by which we should judge everything. Sarcasm implied. Now explicit.
Yes.The man who served as Obamas chief of staff isn’t concerned about MAGA hat wearing hate mobs terrorising the streets at 2AM in sub zero temperatures.How bout that.
I agree about the corruption in Chicago though, it’s clear to see.
|
On March 27 2019 10:19 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2019 08:59 iamthedave wrote:On March 27 2019 02:29 Plansix wrote:
Yeah, I got into a pretty harsh exchange with a young, new co-worker who wanted the ACA to blow up because he didn't like the goverment being involved. He had no stakes in the outcome and only wanted it because "he believed in smaller goverment." I don't think he ever got into a discussion about politics where what he wanted would negatively impact someone that was right in front of him. What was the outcome? Did you change his views? He doesn’t like government for reason he cannot articulate well, but doesn’t want people to lose healthcare. It is the classic wanting to fear the big bad government, but not wanting the consequences of a true hands off government would entail.
I'm not sure why we let these people get away with the "small government" talking point. If you want more freedom, there's objectively no reason not to be a libertarian socialist instead of an ancap.
|
On March 27 2019 10:34 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2019 10:18 NewSunshine wrote:On March 27 2019 10:16 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On March 27 2019 03:14 Mohdoo wrote:On March 27 2019 03:03 Danglars wrote:I spoke too soon to Mohdoo about wrapping up the false hate crimeallegedly committed by Jussie Smolett. His employer, lawyers, and family are claiming vindication for having been the victim of a hate crime attack since charges were dropped. Those unidentified attackers are still out there somewhere. Let us all sympathize with him for being a victim and falsely blamed and vilified. Today, all criminal charges against Jussie Smollett were dropped and his record has been wiped clean of the filing of this tragic complaint against him. Jussie was attacked by two people he was unable to identify on January 29th. He was a victim who was vilified and made to appear as a perpetrator as a result of false and inappropriate remarks made to the public causing an inappropriate rush to judgment. Our son and brother is an innocent man whose name and character has been unjustly smeared. Jussie is a son, a brother, a partner, a champion for human rights, and a genuine soul who would never be capable of what he was falsely accused of. He was the victim of an assault and then falsely blamed for his own attack. This morning truth has prevailed and he has been vindicated. All charges have been dismissed and his record expunged (cleared). The painful incidents we’ve witnessed him endure over the past 7 weeks have been heartbreaking and unjust to say the least. While many were quick to rush to judgement before hearing the actual truth, we are grateful that the truth about Jussie has come to light. We look forward to bringing the real perpetrators to justice. We thank God and our village for standing by us during this trying time. Statement of Smolett’s lawyers and family, qtd in The Blast Just look at Reddit if you want to see the left's view of this. Hes toast. No one believes him and his career is still over. He just found a way to evade legal recourse. If anything, this ended up as a victory for the right since now they can point to this and the left has nothing to say. Why go on reddit? Even the Mayor of Chicago is calling the trial an ‘abomination’. Ah yes, Rahm Emanuel, mayor of one of the most upright cities in America, with certifiably one of the least corrupt police forces in the same. His word is the gold standard by which we should judge everything. Sarcasm implied. Now explicit. Yes.The man who served as Obamas chief of staff isn’t concerned about MAGA hat wearing hate mobs terrorising the streets at 2AM in sub zero temperatures.How bout that. I agree about the corruption in Chicago though, it’s clear to see.
It's almost like I don't think people on "my side of the aisle", if we want to call it that, are perfect just by being so.
Look. I know you really want to be mad about the Smolett thing. It turned out to be a load of nonsense, probably because the police were being sketchy(to put it lightly) just like Jussie was. Take the wash and move on.
|
United States44132 Posts
On March 27 2019 10:38 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2019 10:19 Plansix wrote:On March 27 2019 08:59 iamthedave wrote:On March 27 2019 02:29 Plansix wrote:
Yeah, I got into a pretty harsh exchange with a young, new co-worker who wanted the ACA to blow up because he didn't like the goverment being involved. He had no stakes in the outcome and only wanted it because "he believed in smaller goverment." I don't think he ever got into a discussion about politics where what he wanted would negatively impact someone that was right in front of him. What was the outcome? Did you change his views? He doesn’t like government for reason he cannot articulate well, but doesn’t want people to lose healthcare. It is the classic wanting to fear the big bad government, but not wanting the consequences of a true hands off government would entail. I'm not sure why we let these people get away with the "small government" talking point. If you want more freedom, there's objectively no reason not to be a libertarian socialist instead of an ancap.
One thing that has always amused me is that socialism is the worker enjoying the fruits of his labour and capitalism is the worker receiving a portion of the fruits of his labour that is completely unrelated to the value of the fruits but is instead set at the amount at which no other worker would undercut him. Socialists want you to keep what you make, capitalists want you to give it away.
The obvious problem with capitalism is that the capitalist class are manifestly leeches on society who insist that ownership of property, even if entirely unearned, is what creates value. The first man to say "I own this" forever condemns all that follow to indentured servitude through the lie of property ownership devoid of labour. Property rights do not exist by themselves but rather as an extension of a man's rights to his own labour, property representing the fruits of prior labour or the promise of future labour.
Fortunately Jefferson has a solution for us, constant redistribution of ownership of the means of production from the dead to society as a whole. This is some good reading.
http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch2s23.html
|
|
|
I think most people see financial crimes as a foregone conclusion. He no matter what committed felonies, just a matter of if people even think white collar crime should be illegal. It is weird how many people think white collar crime should essentially not be punished other than a fine less than the total profit.
|
On March 27 2019 12:12 Mohdoo wrote:I think most people see financial crimes as a foregone conclusion. He no matter what committed felonies, just a matter of if people even think white collar crime should be illegal. It is weird how many people think white collar crime should essentially not be punished other than a fine less than the total profit.
This is why Trump needs to lose in 2020, so that SDNY is free to charge him with his financial crimes, thus tarnishing his legacy forever  .
|
Having read George Papadapolous's testimony from the transcript released today, as well as other documents we have such as the Strzok-Page texts, I am beginning to think that the predicate for the Trump-Russia investigation may well have been engineered by US and/or Western intelligence. They essentially ran stings against certain people, and then over the course of time exploited the targets' reactions to the stings and also exploited the media by planting stories that would then serve as further "evidence" they could rely on. It is some pretty complex stuff and it would have to be a pretty successful grand conspiracy for the theory to be correct. But at some point, one must reevaluate one's interpretation in light of new information.
|
On March 27 2019 14:28 Doodsmack wrote:
Having read George Papadapolous's testimony from the transcript released today, as well as other documents we have such as the Strzok-Page texts, I am beginning to think that the predicate for the Trump-Russia investigation may well have been engineered by US and/or Western intelligence. They essentially ran stings against certain people, and then over the course of time exploited the targets' reactions to the stings and also exploited the media by planting stories that would then serve as further "evidence" they could rely on. It is some pretty complex stuff and it would have to be a pretty successful grand conspiracy for the theory to be correct. But at some point, one must reevaluate one's interpretation in light of new information.
Yeah, his testimony transcript is something else. The obvious baiting with the $10,000 where some intelligence asset gave it to him overseas with FBI agents waiting to arrest him once he got back to the US airport is particularly troubling. Beyond that, there were two other oddities regarding the FBI and subsequent Mueller investigation that I noted from the transcript. The first was that no one bothered interviewing Papadopoulos until January 2017. Considering that he is allegedly the genesis of the investigation into Trump’s campaign, that’s a very long time to go into the investigation without talking to him. Second, Mueller’s team didn’t ask Papadopoulos any questions about his interactions with Halper. They only asked about Misfud. Halper is the known FBI asset. Mifsud is something else, likely a western intelligence asset. I wonder why they avoided bringing up Halper.
|
On March 27 2019 14:28 Doodsmack wrote:
Having read George Papadapolous's testimony from the transcript released today, as well as other documents we have such as the Strzok-Page texts, I am beginning to think that the predicate for the Trump-Russia investigation may well have been engineered by US and/or Western intelligence. They essentially ran stings against certain people, and then over the course of time exploited the targets' reactions to the stings and also exploited the media by planting stories that would then serve as further "evidence" they could rely on. It is some pretty complex stuff and it would have to be a pretty successful grand conspiracy for the theory to be correct. But at some point, one must reevaluate one's interpretation in light of new information. You think a grand conspiracy involving multiple nations and hundreds of people is more likely then something actually being fishy between Trump and Russia?
It really was a brilliant job by the FBI to get Russia to arrange a sting meeting with Trump Jr, knowing he would chomp at the bits for a chance to illegally option information about Hillary.
Or to funnel all that money through the Trump inaugural committee knowing that no one would bother to alert any sort of authority about this unexpected money.
But the true masterpiece was mind controlling Cohen to get him to lie in front of congress about the Moscow Trump Tower.
Sorry dude, not buying it.
|
On March 27 2019 19:09 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2019 14:28 Doodsmack wrote:
Having read George Papadapolous's testimony from the transcript released today, as well as other documents we have such as the Strzok-Page texts, I am beginning to think that the predicate for the Trump-Russia investigation may well have been engineered by US and/or Western intelligence. They essentially ran stings against certain people, and then over the course of time exploited the targets' reactions to the stings and also exploited the media by planting stories that would then serve as further "evidence" they could rely on. It is some pretty complex stuff and it would have to be a pretty successful grand conspiracy for the theory to be correct. But at some point, one must reevaluate one's interpretation in light of new information. You think a grand conspiracy involving multiple nations and hundreds of people is more likely then something actually being fishy between Trump and Russia? It really was a brilliant job by the FBI to get Russia to arrange a sting meeting with Trump Jr, knowing he would chomp at the bits for a chance to illegally option information about Hillary. Or to funnel all that money through the Trump inaugural committee knowing that no one would bother to alert any sort of authority about this unexpected money. But the true masterpiece was mind controlling Cohen to get him to lie in front of congress about the Moscow Trump Tower. Sorry dude, not buying it.
Have you read any of the congressional testimony transcripts or any other primary source material?
|
On March 27 2019 19:18 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2019 19:09 Gorsameth wrote:On March 27 2019 14:28 Doodsmack wrote:
Having read George Papadapolous's testimony from the transcript released today, as well as other documents we have such as the Strzok-Page texts, I am beginning to think that the predicate for the Trump-Russia investigation may well have been engineered by US and/or Western intelligence. They essentially ran stings against certain people, and then over the course of time exploited the targets' reactions to the stings and also exploited the media by planting stories that would then serve as further "evidence" they could rely on. It is some pretty complex stuff and it would have to be a pretty successful grand conspiracy for the theory to be correct. But at some point, one must reevaluate one's interpretation in light of new information. You think a grand conspiracy involving multiple nations and hundreds of people is more likely then something actually being fishy between Trump and Russia? It really was a brilliant job by the FBI to get Russia to arrange a sting meeting with Trump Jr, knowing he would chomp at the bits for a chance to illegally option information about Hillary. Or to funnel all that money through the Trump inaugural committee knowing that no one would bother to alert any sort of authority about this unexpected money. But the true masterpiece was mind controlling Cohen to get him to lie in front of congress about the Moscow Trump Tower. Sorry dude, not buying it. Have you read any of the congressional testimony transcripts or any other primary source material? Are you disputing that any of those events happened?
|
On March 27 2019 19:26 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2019 19:18 xDaunt wrote:On March 27 2019 19:09 Gorsameth wrote:On March 27 2019 14:28 Doodsmack wrote:
Having read George Papadapolous's testimony from the transcript released today, as well as other documents we have such as the Strzok-Page texts, I am beginning to think that the predicate for the Trump-Russia investigation may well have been engineered by US and/or Western intelligence. They essentially ran stings against certain people, and then over the course of time exploited the targets' reactions to the stings and also exploited the media by planting stories that would then serve as further "evidence" they could rely on. It is some pretty complex stuff and it would have to be a pretty successful grand conspiracy for the theory to be correct. But at some point, one must reevaluate one's interpretation in light of new information. You think a grand conspiracy involving multiple nations and hundreds of people is more likely then something actually being fishy between Trump and Russia? It really was a brilliant job by the FBI to get Russia to arrange a sting meeting with Trump Jr, knowing he would chomp at the bits for a chance to illegally option information about Hillary. Or to funnel all that money through the Trump inaugural committee knowing that no one would bother to alert any sort of authority about this unexpected money. But the true masterpiece was mind controlling Cohen to get him to lie in front of congress about the Moscow Trump Tower. Sorry dude, not buying it. Have you read any of the congressional testimony transcripts or any other primary source material? Are you disputing that any of those events happened?
Not as you are characterizing them. And none prove Russia collusion anyway. On the other hand, there is ample evidence in the source materials of a real conspiracy to infiltrate the Trump campaign and ultimately take him down. The Papadopoulos transcript Doodsmack was referring to is full of it.
|
Russia was putting a lot of people out there offering things, it’s just that none of them stuck with the Trump administration. Unlike the NRA, for instance. But there were a lot of signs that it might have. That is why investigations happen. Trump made it worse when he fired Comey and tried to get Comey to back off Fynn. And lying about Trump tower in Moscow.
|
Sure, investigate of proper procedure was followed. But your going to have a really hard time convincing people that the investigation shouldn't have happened when it actually found that Trump's campaign was involved in a whole bunch of crimes and shady/illegal dealings with Russia, as was suspected.
|
On March 27 2019 19:40 Plansix wrote:
Russia was putting a lot of people out there offering things, it’s just that none of them stuck with the Trump administration. Unlike the NRA, for instance. But there were a lot of signs that it might have. That is why investigations happen. Trump made it worse when he fired Comey and tried to get Comey to back off Fynn. And lying about Trump tower in Moscow.
You are missing the point. Investigations aren’t supposed to happen without sufficient basis to conduct them. FISA warrants and other intrusive government actions require probable cause. The Fourth Amendment is still a thing and doesn’t go away just because someone runs for office.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
