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It's one of the ways in which we can demonstrate the intellectual bankruptcy of the right, btw. There are statements that are common within the right that should lead to racism, but at the same time they aren't allowed to say it, and so they don't, and they are left with a premise that has an obvious conclusion that they can't make.
It's more obvious in more extreme cases, for example differences in IQ (that I believe xDaunt is into? I don't want to put words in his mouth but I don't think I'm misremembering). If it is true that race is a factor in IQ, and that IQ is an important factor, then why wouldn't you be racist? It makes no sense to pretend people are the same if they are truly different. Racism is the only logical follow-up to this belief.
This one is more extreme but there are more common ones. "Black people commit more crimes" is one that we hear a lot if we discuss killings by police in the US. At this point we can point out that killings by police and criminality aren't related, and that's a fine response. But we can also ask ourselves, if someone believes that race is a factor in criminality, why wouldn't they draw the conclusion that racism is logical? They should.
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On February 28 2019 12:27 JimmiC wrote:
For the last one could they not believe that more black people commit crime because more grow up in a socieconomic situation that leads to more crime. Not because their race makes them more criminal?
Of course, and that's the truth. But if that's what you believe, then you wouldn't think that "black people commit more crimes" is a good response to give to someone who points out the disparities in the american system's treatment of black people.
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Meadows showed his true colors when he brought out a black person as an exhibit today to make the "Trump has a black friend" argument. Turns out that Meadows is in fact cut from the same cloth as Trump. Surprised that this oppo research didn't come out sooner.
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Having the token black friend isn't really meant to stop arguments that they're not racist. It's so their Republican friends can look and say to each other how not-racist they are because look, they have a black friend. So now it's all in the heads of Democrats and Independents.
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Cummings, who has behaved awfully on that committee many times, stepped in and straightened out the Farrakhan associated representative (in the nicest possibly way) and vouched for Meadows, who has a reputation as a decent human being. That's how out of line and out of touch she was.
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Being a "decent human" does not mean infallible. If he's a decent human, then it's remarkable easy to apologize for a making a gaff. And would also be the decent thing to do.
Of course, acting like a decent human is also not mutually exclusive to being a racist either. Being a raging asshole to people you marginalize or look down upon is not a requirement of being a racist.
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On February 28 2019 11:59 KwarK wrote:
It’s like the Catholic Church in that respect. They’ll do anything to avoid people calling them pedophiles, except stop fucking kids of course. But anything else. Bribe, blackmail, cover up, shuffle priests around, threaten excommunication. Anything to stop the accusations of pedophilia. Well, anything but leaving kids alone.
Racists will do anything to avoid the label of racist, except stop.
Even hardcore white supremacists fight tooth and nail to avoid the "racist" tag. I somehow watched a homemade propaganda video where he called it "ethno-nationalism" lol!
There is a little racist within all of us, and I don't think it is even that bad, as long as we don't insult or discriminate, and recognize it as a weakness we have as human beings.
When I see a black guy with a backpack in my city, I assume he is an illegal immigrant selling junk in the streets. When I see a picture of black people gathering in Africa, I think of their poverty before their enjoyment of life and culture, and they might not be poor at all. I doubt many of are immune to small everyday racist thoughts like that, but I am not very ashamed by it. It is just the way our brain works.
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Everybody can have racist impulses. The point is to realise your own biases as they occur, and act to counter them, apologizing if youve unwittingly hurt or insulted someone, then grow from your mistakes.
Appologists or refusing to admit mistakes or learning from them, however, is the worst reaction to own accidental or impulsive racism. This is, i think, where the boundary between acting in a racist manner and being å racist goes.
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Trump failed to sign a treathy with NK. Kim wanted the US to end all sanctions and Trump left the meeting early, obviously not willing to give him that.
Who would have though top level diplomacy was complicated?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-47398974
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On February 28 2019 11:12 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2019 11:05 Plansix wrote:On February 28 2019 10:57 xDaunt wrote:On February 28 2019 10:37 Plansix wrote:On February 28 2019 10:34 xDaunt wrote:On February 28 2019 10:30 JimmiC wrote:On February 28 2019 10:16 xDaunt wrote:On February 28 2019 10:10 Gorsameth wrote:On February 28 2019 09:58 xDaunt wrote:On February 28 2019 09:24 Sermokala wrote:
I think personally its obscenely distasteful to have him testify. A guy that swears on the bible before his god and his country then willingly, and on his own apparently, decided to break that oath shouldn't be near a congressional hearing. He can make his statements on his own time but giving a proven and admitted oath breaker like that credibility is a mistake. No one should take his comments seriously enough to even listen to them.
He testified at the same time as my soap which is also unacceptable. Cohen is a liar’s liar. The dude likely perjured himself multiple times today. Nothing new or profound came from today’s testimony. It was a monumental waste of time that isn’t going to move the political needle one iota. Democrats got some new impeachment fantasy porn, but that’s about it. Independents aren’t going to give two shits, and Trump’s approval rating is going to remain where it is over the long run. Run me through your logic if you please. Why would Cohen perjure himself before congress today? He is in a plea deal, everything he knows is in the hands of some form of investigation be it state or federal. He has been sentenced and is going to jail. Why on earth would he be lying now. What's the angle here and what is he lying about? I really have no idea for why Cohen likes to habitually lie. I can’t relate to him at all. But I do know that he did likely lie today about multiple things, which even CNN believes. Do you know why Trump habitually lies? Or in your zealot life do you also pretend that he is a truth teller? I also love the logical leaps it takes to believe that Cohen paid those women to keep them quiet out of the goodness of his heart with his own money, not that trump told him too. But I mean if you have bought the whole "we never talked to Russia" "just kidding of course we did, just not about that" to" I mean yea about that but we didn't really do it" "all a Clinton and "globalist" conspiracy" ROLF. No one, including yours truly, has argued that Trump is a saint. He is a means to an end. You and Cohen have a lot in common. Willing to throw in with a feckless conman and racist to get what you want. Only the willfully retarded think that Trump is a racist. The rest use the charge as a political tool. Racists all agree that Trump can’t be a racist. The charge that Trump is a racist only conveniently arose after he ran for office. There is no shortage of minorities who posed with him or otherrwise got along just fine with him beforehand. Nor is there is a shortage of actions that he personally took before running for office in which he advocated for minority rights and privileges.
*face palm*
This is embarassing, Daunt. Trump's been accused of racism for over three decades. One of the oldest such claims relates to him allegedly refusing to allow black residents to rent his apartments. That doesn't necessarily mean those accusations are substantiated, but it demonstrates either the belief that everyone here is an idiot who does no research at all or shocking lack of knowledge of the subject matter (i.e. Trump's history).
Shit, even you criticised him over the birther conspiracy, for which he was also accused of racism, which also predates him running for office.
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On February 28 2019 18:06 Slydie wrote:Trump failed to sign a treathy with NK. Kim wanted the US to end all sanctions and Trump left the meeting early, obviously not willing to give him that. Who would have though top level diplomacy was complicated? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-47398974
Apparently he also didn't even pretend to lie about denuclearization and wanted to just make "steps" towards it.
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On February 28 2019 12:19 Nebuchad wrote:
It's one of the ways in which we can demonstrate the intellectual bankruptcy of the right, btw. There are statements that are common within the right that should lead to racism, but at the same time they aren't allowed to say it, and so they don't, and they are left with a premise that has an obvious conclusion that they can't make.
It's more obvious in more extreme cases, for example differences in IQ (that I believe xDaunt is into? I don't want to put words in his mouth but I don't think I'm misremembering). If it is true that race is a factor in IQ, and that IQ is an important factor, then why wouldn't you be racist? It makes no sense to pretend people are the same if they are truly different. Racism is the only logical follow-up to this belief.
This one is more extreme but there are more common ones. "Black people commit more crimes" is one that we hear a lot if we discuss killings by police in the US. At this point we can point out that killings by police and criminality aren't related, and that's a fine response. But we can also ask ourselves, if someone believes that race is a factor in criminality, why wouldn't they draw the conclusion that racism is logical? They should. or, because the word racism was equated with discrimination and prejudice so there's no word left to describe differences.
good thing though is that there are and will continue to be studies/research in medicine using racial differences to actually save lives.
random:Urinary bladder cancer (UBC) has a high incidence rates in many southern and eastern European countries, in parts of Africa and the Middle East, and in North America. It exhibits a wide variety of histological types that goes from less aggressive to rapid-growing ones.
...Overall, non-Hispanic whites have the highest incidence rate, followed by blacks, Hispanic whites, and APIs. In the analysis of survival, significant racial differences exist when stratified by gender, age group, histological type, stage, location and treatment strategies. Racial differences exist among UBC patients in the United States in terms of characteristics, incidence, and survival. Future studies may collect and analyze more data for comprehensive description and interpretation of the racial differences. or: Black race is associated with impaired microvascular vasodilatory function, and greater large arterial wave reflections and stiffness. Because impairment in these vascular indices may be associated with worse long‐term outcomes, they may represent underlying mechanisms for the increased CVD risk in blacks. there are more example like those and the interest for that kind of research is growing so you know, you can carry on up in here because where it matters, it is a thing.
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There is a difference a clear difference racism and prejudice. Prejudice is distinctly personal and doesn't not have to relate to race. I could be prejudice against my brother in law because he is from a specific town, even if we are both white as the driven snow. And no one is talking about medicine or genetics here. That is a silly non sequitur.
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On February 28 2019 22:25 xM(Z wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2019 12:19 Nebuchad wrote:
It's one of the ways in which we can demonstrate the intellectual bankruptcy of the right, btw. There are statements that are common within the right that should lead to racism, but at the same time they aren't allowed to say it, and so they don't, and they are left with a premise that has an obvious conclusion that they can't make.
It's more obvious in more extreme cases, for example differences in IQ (that I believe xDaunt is into? I don't want to put words in his mouth but I don't think I'm misremembering). If it is true that race is a factor in IQ, and that IQ is an important factor, then why wouldn't you be racist? It makes no sense to pretend people are the same if they are truly different. Racism is the only logical follow-up to this belief.
This one is more extreme but there are more common ones. "Black people commit more crimes" is one that we hear a lot if we discuss killings by police in the US. At this point we can point out that killings by police and criminality aren't related, and that's a fine response. But we can also ask ourselves, if someone believes that race is a factor in criminality, why wouldn't they draw the conclusion that racism is logical? They should. or, because the word racism was equated with discrimination and prejudice so there's no word left to describe differences. good thing though is that there are and will continue to be studies/research in medicine using racial differences to actually save lives. random: Show nested quote +Urinary bladder cancer (UBC) has a high incidence rates in many southern and eastern European countries, in parts of Africa and the Middle East, and in North America. It exhibits a wide variety of histological types that goes from less aggressive to rapid-growing ones.
...Overall, non-Hispanic whites have the highest incidence rate, followed by blacks, Hispanic whites, and APIs. In the analysis of survival, significant racial differences exist when stratified by gender, age group, histological type, stage, location and treatment strategies. Racial differences exist among UBC patients in the United States in terms of characteristics, incidence, and survival. Future studies may collect and analyze more data for comprehensive description and interpretation of the racial differences. or: Show nested quote +Black race is associated with impaired microvascular vasodilatory function, and greater large arterial wave reflections and stiffness. Because impairment in these vascular indices may be associated with worse long‐term outcomes, they may represent underlying mechanisms for the increased CVD risk in blacks. there are more example like those and the interest for that kind of research is growing so you know, you can carry on up in here because where it matters, it is a thing. Racism was never a word a word that describes physiological tendencies for the medical community. There's already a word to describe differences in population anywas; heterogeneity and homogeneity. Variance. I'm not even related to any medical professions and I know this. So you xM(Z just deliberately wrote a whole lot of nonsense.
The medical community when needed to describe differences between different populations, whether it be age, sex, height... ...simply describes the physiological differences.
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Anyways, I love how with conversations with racists in TL, I know that they don't view themselves as racists, because they are merely telling the "truth"; it's not prejudice or discrimination, it is merely the reality.
Those racists are fully aware of the meaning of the word, that it is to be prejudices, to be discriminatory, to feel superior to another ethnicity. They do not want to be rightfully described as racist now that it is seen to be negative traits in a person.
Meanwhile xM(Z goes out and write that racism describes physiological differences between races. How funny.
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On February 28 2019 22:25 xM(Z wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2019 12:19 Nebuchad wrote:
It's one of the ways in which we can demonstrate the intellectual bankruptcy of the right, btw. There are statements that are common within the right that should lead to racism, but at the same time they aren't allowed to say it, and so they don't, and they are left with a premise that has an obvious conclusion that they can't make.
It's more obvious in more extreme cases, for example differences in IQ (that I believe xDaunt is into? I don't want to put words in his mouth but I don't think I'm misremembering). If it is true that race is a factor in IQ, and that IQ is an important factor, then why wouldn't you be racist? It makes no sense to pretend people are the same if they are truly different. Racism is the only logical follow-up to this belief.
This one is more extreme but there are more common ones. "Black people commit more crimes" is one that we hear a lot if we discuss killings by police in the US. At this point we can point out that killings by police and criminality aren't related, and that's a fine response. But we can also ask ourselves, if someone believes that race is a factor in criminality, why wouldn't they draw the conclusion that racism is logical? They should. or, because the word racism was equated with discrimination and prejudice so there's no word left to describe differences. good thing though is that there are and will continue to be studies/research in medicine using racial differences to actually save lives. random: Show nested quote +Urinary bladder cancer (UBC) has a high incidence rates in many southern and eastern European countries, in parts of Africa and the Middle East, and in North America. It exhibits a wide variety of histological types that goes from less aggressive to rapid-growing ones.
...Overall, non-Hispanic whites have the highest incidence rate, followed by blacks, Hispanic whites, and APIs. In the analysis of survival, significant racial differences exist when stratified by gender, age group, histological type, stage, location and treatment strategies. Racial differences exist among UBC patients in the United States in terms of characteristics, incidence, and survival. Future studies may collect and analyze more data for comprehensive description and interpretation of the racial differences. or: Show nested quote +Black race is associated with impaired microvascular vasodilatory function, and greater large arterial wave reflections and stiffness. Because impairment in these vascular indices may be associated with worse long‐term outcomes, they may represent underlying mechanisms for the increased CVD risk in blacks. there are more example like those and the interest for that kind of research is growing so you know, you can carry on up in here because where it matters, it is a thing.
The definition of racism is the belief that one’s race is superior to another. That’s it. Saying that white people are inherently smarter than black people for example is textbook racism.
Race is a totally shit concept scientifically speaking and doesn’t really describe anything real anyway. It’s a pure social construct.
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the "heterogeneity and homogeneity -> Variance" is your(in layman's terms) "ethno-nationalism" lol!".
you can believe that everyone runs from being labeled racist or that everyone changes its meaning to include other transgressions, in the end you still need the intent and unless Trump level of practical proof, you're grasping at straws, lol!.
also, who said "that racism describes physiological differences between races"?; need source/quotes.
Edit: i mean look at yourselves; there are 3 people here arguing 3 different meanings of the word racism. why wouldn't people find new labels for themselves?.
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On February 28 2019 23:29 xM(Z wrote:
the "heterogeneity and homogeneity -> Variance" is your(in layman's terms) "ethno-nationalism" lol!". No. "ethno-nationalism" is not the same as heterogeneity and homogeneity or variance. That doesn't even make sense. They don't even interact. One is used in science, the other is politics, with totally different meanings.
It's like saying heterogeneity and homogeneity is your(in layman's terms) "democracy". lol!"
On February 28 2019 23:29 xM(Z wrote:
also, who said "that racism describes physiological differences between races"?; need source/quotes. On February 28 2019 22:25 xM(Z wrote:or, because the word racism was equated with discrimination and prejudice so there's no word left to describe differences.
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Words mean different things. There is no single color red. Especially if one is color blind.
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