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On February 28 2019 10:26 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2019 10:22 micronesia wrote:
He had motivation to lie back when he thought he could keep his inappropriate actions covered up and also keep his boss out of hot water. Lying may not have been smart in hindsight, but there was some logic too it. Now, there is no longer a logic. The only reason to claim he's likely to be lying now since he was lying before is if you don't like what he's saying. Lying now gets him a book deal, political favors, and revenge against Trump for however he perceives that Trump wronged him.
Telling the truth would do the exact same thing.
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Trumps written testimony said that Stone never told him about wikileaks. Cohen says otherwise. Who to believe?
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On February 28 2019 10:30 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2019 10:16 xDaunt wrote:On February 28 2019 10:10 Gorsameth wrote:On February 28 2019 09:58 xDaunt wrote:On February 28 2019 09:24 Sermokala wrote:
I think personally its obscenely distasteful to have him testify. A guy that swears on the bible before his god and his country then willingly, and on his own apparently, decided to break that oath shouldn't be near a congressional hearing. He can make his statements on his own time but giving a proven and admitted oath breaker like that credibility is a mistake. No one should take his comments seriously enough to even listen to them.
He testified at the same time as my soap which is also unacceptable. Cohen is a liar’s liar. The dude likely perjured himself multiple times today. Nothing new or profound came from today’s testimony. It was a monumental waste of time that isn’t going to move the political needle one iota. Democrats got some new impeachment fantasy porn, but that’s about it. Independents aren’t going to give two shits, and Trump’s approval rating is going to remain where it is over the long run. Run me through your logic if you please. Why would Cohen perjure himself before congress today? He is in a plea deal, everything he knows is in the hands of some form of investigation be it state or federal. He has been sentenced and is going to jail. Why on earth would he be lying now. What's the angle here and what is he lying about? I really have no idea for why Cohen likes to habitually lie. I can’t relate to him at all. But I do know that he did likely lie today about multiple things, which even CNN believes. Do you know why Trump habitually lies? Or in your zealot life do you also pretend that he is a truth teller? I also love the logical leaps it takes to believe that Cohen paid those women to keep them quiet out of the goodness of his heart with his own money, not that trump told him too. But I mean if you have bought the whole "we never talked to Russia" "just kidding of course we did, just not about that" to" I mean yea about that but we didn't really do it" "all a Clinton and "globalist" conspiracy" ROLF.
No one, including yours truly, has argued that Trump is a saint. He is a means to an end.
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On February 28 2019 10:34 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2019 10:30 JimmiC wrote:On February 28 2019 10:16 xDaunt wrote:On February 28 2019 10:10 Gorsameth wrote:On February 28 2019 09:58 xDaunt wrote:On February 28 2019 09:24 Sermokala wrote:
I think personally its obscenely distasteful to have him testify. A guy that swears on the bible before his god and his country then willingly, and on his own apparently, decided to break that oath shouldn't be near a congressional hearing. He can make his statements on his own time but giving a proven and admitted oath breaker like that credibility is a mistake. No one should take his comments seriously enough to even listen to them.
He testified at the same time as my soap which is also unacceptable. Cohen is a liar’s liar. The dude likely perjured himself multiple times today. Nothing new or profound came from today’s testimony. It was a monumental waste of time that isn’t going to move the political needle one iota. Democrats got some new impeachment fantasy porn, but that’s about it. Independents aren’t going to give two shits, and Trump’s approval rating is going to remain where it is over the long run. Run me through your logic if you please. Why would Cohen perjure himself before congress today? He is in a plea deal, everything he knows is in the hands of some form of investigation be it state or federal. He has been sentenced and is going to jail. Why on earth would he be lying now. What's the angle here and what is he lying about? I really have no idea for why Cohen likes to habitually lie. I can’t relate to him at all. But I do know that he did likely lie today about multiple things, which even CNN believes. Do you know why Trump habitually lies? Or in your zealot life do you also pretend that he is a truth teller? I also love the logical leaps it takes to believe that Cohen paid those women to keep them quiet out of the goodness of his heart with his own money, not that trump told him too. But I mean if you have bought the whole "we never talked to Russia" "just kidding of course we did, just not about that" to" I mean yea about that but we didn't really do it" "all a Clinton and "globalist" conspiracy" ROLF. No one, including yours truly, has argued that Trump is a saint. He is a means to an end.
You and Cohen have a lot in common. Willing to throw in with a feckless conman and racist to get what you want.
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On February 28 2019 10:33 CorsairHero wrote:
Trumps written testimony said that Stone never told him about wikileaks. Cohen says otherwise. Who to believe? Ones word against another is hard. But there is a non 0 chance there is additional proof and with Stone being raided by the FBI on behalf of Mueller I would say if any exists it is now in Mueller's hands.
Hopefully his report sheds more light on it.
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On February 28 2019 10:37 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2019 10:34 xDaunt wrote:On February 28 2019 10:30 JimmiC wrote:On February 28 2019 10:16 xDaunt wrote:On February 28 2019 10:10 Gorsameth wrote:On February 28 2019 09:58 xDaunt wrote:On February 28 2019 09:24 Sermokala wrote:
I think personally its obscenely distasteful to have him testify. A guy that swears on the bible before his god and his country then willingly, and on his own apparently, decided to break that oath shouldn't be near a congressional hearing. He can make his statements on his own time but giving a proven and admitted oath breaker like that credibility is a mistake. No one should take his comments seriously enough to even listen to them.
He testified at the same time as my soap which is also unacceptable. Cohen is a liar’s liar. The dude likely perjured himself multiple times today. Nothing new or profound came from today’s testimony. It was a monumental waste of time that isn’t going to move the political needle one iota. Democrats got some new impeachment fantasy porn, but that’s about it. Independents aren’t going to give two shits, and Trump’s approval rating is going to remain where it is over the long run. Run me through your logic if you please. Why would Cohen perjure himself before congress today? He is in a plea deal, everything he knows is in the hands of some form of investigation be it state or federal. He has been sentenced and is going to jail. Why on earth would he be lying now. What's the angle here and what is he lying about? I really have no idea for why Cohen likes to habitually lie. I can’t relate to him at all. But I do know that he did likely lie today about multiple things, which even CNN believes. Do you know why Trump habitually lies? Or in your zealot life do you also pretend that he is a truth teller? I also love the logical leaps it takes to believe that Cohen paid those women to keep them quiet out of the goodness of his heart with his own money, not that trump told him too. But I mean if you have bought the whole "we never talked to Russia" "just kidding of course we did, just not about that" to" I mean yea about that but we didn't really do it" "all a Clinton and "globalist" conspiracy" ROLF. No one, including yours truly, has argued that Trump is a saint. He is a means to an end. You and Cohen have a lot in common. Willing to throw in with a feckless conman and racist to get what you want.
Only the willfully retarded think that Trump is a racist. The rest use the charge as a political tool.
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On February 28 2019 10:57 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2019 10:37 Plansix wrote:On February 28 2019 10:34 xDaunt wrote:On February 28 2019 10:30 JimmiC wrote:On February 28 2019 10:16 xDaunt wrote:On February 28 2019 10:10 Gorsameth wrote:On February 28 2019 09:58 xDaunt wrote:On February 28 2019 09:24 Sermokala wrote:
I think personally its obscenely distasteful to have him testify. A guy that swears on the bible before his god and his country then willingly, and on his own apparently, decided to break that oath shouldn't be near a congressional hearing. He can make his statements on his own time but giving a proven and admitted oath breaker like that credibility is a mistake. No one should take his comments seriously enough to even listen to them.
He testified at the same time as my soap which is also unacceptable. Cohen is a liar’s liar. The dude likely perjured himself multiple times today. Nothing new or profound came from today’s testimony. It was a monumental waste of time that isn’t going to move the political needle one iota. Democrats got some new impeachment fantasy porn, but that’s about it. Independents aren’t going to give two shits, and Trump’s approval rating is going to remain where it is over the long run. Run me through your logic if you please. Why would Cohen perjure himself before congress today? He is in a plea deal, everything he knows is in the hands of some form of investigation be it state or federal. He has been sentenced and is going to jail. Why on earth would he be lying now. What's the angle here and what is he lying about? I really have no idea for why Cohen likes to habitually lie. I can’t relate to him at all. But I do know that he did likely lie today about multiple things, which even CNN believes. Do you know why Trump habitually lies? Or in your zealot life do you also pretend that he is a truth teller? I also love the logical leaps it takes to believe that Cohen paid those women to keep them quiet out of the goodness of his heart with his own money, not that trump told him too. But I mean if you have bought the whole "we never talked to Russia" "just kidding of course we did, just not about that" to" I mean yea about that but we didn't really do it" "all a Clinton and "globalist" conspiracy" ROLF. No one, including yours truly, has argued that Trump is a saint. He is a means to an end. You and Cohen have a lot in common. Willing to throw in with a feckless conman and racist to get what you want. Only the willfully retarded think that Trump is a racist. The rest use the charge as a political tool.
Racists all agree that Trump can’t be a racist.
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maybe what dauntless means is trump in his heart isn't racist, he just happens to do and say a lot of racist things
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On February 28 2019 11:05 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2019 10:57 xDaunt wrote:On February 28 2019 10:37 Plansix wrote:On February 28 2019 10:34 xDaunt wrote:On February 28 2019 10:30 JimmiC wrote:On February 28 2019 10:16 xDaunt wrote:On February 28 2019 10:10 Gorsameth wrote:On February 28 2019 09:58 xDaunt wrote:On February 28 2019 09:24 Sermokala wrote:
I think personally its obscenely distasteful to have him testify. A guy that swears on the bible before his god and his country then willingly, and on his own apparently, decided to break that oath shouldn't be near a congressional hearing. He can make his statements on his own time but giving a proven and admitted oath breaker like that credibility is a mistake. No one should take his comments seriously enough to even listen to them.
He testified at the same time as my soap which is also unacceptable. Cohen is a liar’s liar. The dude likely perjured himself multiple times today. Nothing new or profound came from today’s testimony. It was a monumental waste of time that isn’t going to move the political needle one iota. Democrats got some new impeachment fantasy porn, but that’s about it. Independents aren’t going to give two shits, and Trump’s approval rating is going to remain where it is over the long run. Run me through your logic if you please. Why would Cohen perjure himself before congress today? He is in a plea deal, everything he knows is in the hands of some form of investigation be it state or federal. He has been sentenced and is going to jail. Why on earth would he be lying now. What's the angle here and what is he lying about? I really have no idea for why Cohen likes to habitually lie. I can’t relate to him at all. But I do know that he did likely lie today about multiple things, which even CNN believes. Do you know why Trump habitually lies? Or in your zealot life do you also pretend that he is a truth teller? I also love the logical leaps it takes to believe that Cohen paid those women to keep them quiet out of the goodness of his heart with his own money, not that trump told him too. But I mean if you have bought the whole "we never talked to Russia" "just kidding of course we did, just not about that" to" I mean yea about that but we didn't really do it" "all a Clinton and "globalist" conspiracy" ROLF. No one, including yours truly, has argued that Trump is a saint. He is a means to an end. You and Cohen have a lot in common. Willing to throw in with a feckless conman and racist to get what you want. Only the willfully retarded think that Trump is a racist. The rest use the charge as a political tool. Racists all agree that Trump can’t be a racist.
The charge that Trump is a racist only conveniently arose after he ran for office. There is no shortage of minorities who posed with him or otherrwise got along just fine with him beforehand. Nor is there is a shortage of actions that he personally took before running for office in which he advocated for minority rights and privileges.
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Oh boy, rolling out the delusions of candor.
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On February 28 2019 11:12 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2019 11:05 Plansix wrote:On February 28 2019 10:57 xDaunt wrote:On February 28 2019 10:37 Plansix wrote:On February 28 2019 10:34 xDaunt wrote:On February 28 2019 10:30 JimmiC wrote:On February 28 2019 10:16 xDaunt wrote:On February 28 2019 10:10 Gorsameth wrote:On February 28 2019 09:58 xDaunt wrote:On February 28 2019 09:24 Sermokala wrote:
I think personally its obscenely distasteful to have him testify. A guy that swears on the bible before his god and his country then willingly, and on his own apparently, decided to break that oath shouldn't be near a congressional hearing. He can make his statements on his own time but giving a proven and admitted oath breaker like that credibility is a mistake. No one should take his comments seriously enough to even listen to them.
He testified at the same time as my soap which is also unacceptable. Cohen is a liar’s liar. The dude likely perjured himself multiple times today. Nothing new or profound came from today’s testimony. It was a monumental waste of time that isn’t going to move the political needle one iota. Democrats got some new impeachment fantasy porn, but that’s about it. Independents aren’t going to give two shits, and Trump’s approval rating is going to remain where it is over the long run. Run me through your logic if you please. Why would Cohen perjure himself before congress today? He is in a plea deal, everything he knows is in the hands of some form of investigation be it state or federal. He has been sentenced and is going to jail. Why on earth would he be lying now. What's the angle here and what is he lying about? I really have no idea for why Cohen likes to habitually lie. I can’t relate to him at all. But I do know that he did likely lie today about multiple things, which even CNN believes. Do you know why Trump habitually lies? Or in your zealot life do you also pretend that he is a truth teller? I also love the logical leaps it takes to believe that Cohen paid those women to keep them quiet out of the goodness of his heart with his own money, not that trump told him too. But I mean if you have bought the whole "we never talked to Russia" "just kidding of course we did, just not about that" to" I mean yea about that but we didn't really do it" "all a Clinton and "globalist" conspiracy" ROLF. No one, including yours truly, has argued that Trump is a saint. He is a means to an end. You and Cohen have a lot in common. Willing to throw in with a feckless conman and racist to get what you want. Only the willfully retarded think that Trump is a racist. The rest use the charge as a political tool. Racists all agree that Trump can’t be a racist. The charge that Trump is a racist only conveniently arose after he ran for office. There is no shortage of minorities who posed with him or otherrwise got along just fine with him beforehand. Nor is there is a shortage of actions that he personally took before running for office in which he advocated for minority rights and privileges.
This is fucking hysterically. Trump was a known racist since the 1980s an so before. The Central Park 8 and the birtherism. I can’t tell if you have a terrible memory or just think we are god man stupid.
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On February 28 2019 11:16 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2019 11:12 xDaunt wrote:On February 28 2019 11:05 Plansix wrote:On February 28 2019 10:57 xDaunt wrote:On February 28 2019 10:37 Plansix wrote:On February 28 2019 10:34 xDaunt wrote:On February 28 2019 10:30 JimmiC wrote:On February 28 2019 10:16 xDaunt wrote:On February 28 2019 10:10 Gorsameth wrote:On February 28 2019 09:58 xDaunt wrote:
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Cohen is a liar’s liar. The dude likely perjured himself multiple times today. Nothing new or profound came from today’s testimony. It was a monumental waste of time that isn’t going to move the political needle one iota. Democrats got some new impeachment fantasy porn, but that’s about it. Independents aren’t going to give two shits, and Trump’s approval rating is going to remain where it is over the long run. Run me through your logic if you please. Why would Cohen perjure himself before congress today? He is in a plea deal, everything he knows is in the hands of some form of investigation be it state or federal. He has been sentenced and is going to jail. Why on earth would he be lying now. What's the angle here and what is he lying about? I really have no idea for why Cohen likes to habitually lie. I can’t relate to him at all. But I do know that he did likely lie today about multiple things, which even CNN believes. Do you know why Trump habitually lies? Or in your zealot life do you also pretend that he is a truth teller? I also love the logical leaps it takes to believe that Cohen paid those women to keep them quiet out of the goodness of his heart with his own money, not that trump told him too. But I mean if you have bought the whole "we never talked to Russia" "just kidding of course we did, just not about that" to" I mean yea about that but we didn't really do it" "all a Clinton and "globalist" conspiracy" ROLF. No one, including yours truly, has argued that Trump is a saint. He is a means to an end. You and Cohen have a lot in common. Willing to throw in with a feckless conman and racist to get what you want. Only the willfully retarded think that Trump is a racist. The rest use the charge as a political tool. Racists all agree that Trump can’t be a racist. The charge that Trump is a racist only conveniently arose after he ran for office. There is no shortage of minorities who posed with him or otherrwise got along just fine with him beforehand. Nor is there is a shortage of actions that he personally took before running for office in which he advocated for minority rights and privileges. This is fucking hysterically. Trump was a known racist since the 1980s an so before. The Central Park 8 and the birtherism. I can’t tell if you have a terrible memory or just think we are god man stupid.
Like there’s a reason why New York never took him seriously and generally hated the shit out of him for decades. The rest of the world just knew him as that guy on TV since they never had to personally deal with him and his businesses.
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On February 28 2019 11:12 ticklishmusic wrote:
maybe what dauntless means is trump in his heart isn't racist, he just happens to do and say a lot of racist things
Incidentally Fred Trump was arrested following a disturbance at a KKK rally. That’s not to say Fred Trump was a racist, both sides etc.
When asked to comment on the story Donald vacillated between “it was a different Fred Trump who just lived at my father’s address” and “well that doesn’t prove anything”.
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It is patently true that the right hates being called racist much more than they hate being racist, doing acts or having beliefs that can rightfully be characterized as racist. Wasn't it so much better when a dude could say something racist and not get stigmatized for it?
This reminds me of that discussion I had with Danglars when I tried for two full pages to get him to tell me what he didn't like about transphobia, and every time he kept telling me what he didn't like about being called a transphobe.
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It’s like the Catholic Church in that respect. They’ll do anything to avoid people calling them pedophiles, except stop fucking kids of course. But anything else. Bribe, blackmail, cover up, shuffle priests around, threaten excommunication. Anything to stop the accusations of pedophilia. Well, anything but leaving kids alone.
Racists will do anything to avoid the label of racist, except stop.
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