US Politics Mega-thread - Page 1045

On January 18 2019 22:54 Plansix wrote:
Account created today, first post about Gillette by complaining about Procter and Gamble. Gee, I wonder what the intent of this post is?

This some low grade bait. I'm not mad. I'm disappointed.

On January 18 2019 23:01 Gahlo wrote:

Gillette put out a commercial that was basically a "we need to strive to be better and deal with this toxic masculinity bullshit we've got going on." and the right got butthurt about it. As such, they're trying to use this to dismiss the commercial as just a ploy to get women who do the shopping to buy their men Gillette razors.

On January 18 2019 23:01 Gahlo wrote:

Gillette put out a commercial that was basically a "we need to strive to be better and deal with this toxic masculinity bullshit we've got going on." and the right got butthurt about it. As such, they're trying to use this to dismiss the commercial as just a ploy to get women who do the shopping to buy their men Gillette razors.

edit: Here's the commercial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koPmuEyP3a0&ab_channel=Gillette

On January 18 2019 23:07 Gahlo wrote:

It's an advertisement, so yes, the goal is to make money, but that doesn't invalidate the message. However, there's a difference to saying "Good point, but they're taking advantage of this to make money the same way people are with feminism" and "lul the message is just bullshit to get you to buy their crap."

There will be people that end up using Gillette products because of this commercial, but there's also people that will get so butthurt about it that they drop using their products as well.

On January 18 2019 23:07 Gahlo wrote:

It's an advertisement, so yes, the goal is to make money, but that doesn't invalidate the message. However, there's a difference to saying "Good point, but they're taking advantage of this to make money the same way people are with feminism" and "lul the message is just bullshit to get you to buy their crap."

On January 18 2019 23:01 Gahlo wrote:

Gillette put out a commercial that was basically a "we need to strive to be better and deal with this toxic masculinity bullshit we've got going on." and the right got butthurt about it. As such, they're trying to use this to dismiss the commercial as just a ploy to get women who do the shopping to buy their men Gillette razors.

edit: Here's the commercial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koPmuEyP3a0&ab_channel=Gillette

On January 18 2019 21:12 Gorsameth wrote:
The cynic in my thinks Trump testifying before Congress that he told Cohen to lie would not be good enough to get Republicans to turn on him.

On January 18 2019 23:14 KwarK wrote:

I enjoyed the Terry cameo. The man is a role model for all men everywhere. He conducts himself with courage, self respect, restraint, humility, and dignity in all he does.

The message has value, even if it’s a commercial.

On January 18 2019 23:14 KwarK wrote:

I enjoyed the Terry cameo. The man is a role model for all men everywhere. He conducts himself with courage, self respect, restraint, humility, and dignity in all he does.

The message has value, even if it’s a commercial.

On January 18 2019 23:26 Excludos wrote:


What a wholesome commercial.

Also why does the intent even matter. I keep having this debate every time a company does something good; "oooh it's only a cash grab". Yes, of course it is, but positive cash grabs should be reinforced. If a company does something good, the end result is "world is a better place", no matter the intention or how their bottom line looks like because of it. If every company in the world did good things "just for profit", this world would be a massively better place to live in.

On January 18 2019 23:30 Jockmcplop wrote:


There is no such thing as a positive cash grab.
The message of this ad is 'buy more Gillette products'
I suppose if you have a stake in Gillette's future the message is good.

Put another way, if the wind of political opinion changed slightly tomorrow, the exact same people who made this would have no problem putting out an ad who's message was 'Use Gillette razors and you can headbutt your wife with a smooth, soft face'

On January 18 2019 23:30 Plansix wrote:
Movies are also cash grabs, but we talk about the positive and negative messages within them. The reductive dismissal of it as just a commercial is another vector of attack used by people uncomfortable with message.

On January 18 2019 23:30 Plansix wrote:

This is some deeply cynical bullshit that devalues any human labor and effort that was put into that commercial.

On January 18 2019 23:32 Jockmcplop wrote:


Nonsense - but its a nice sideways character attack.
I'm perfectly comfortable discussing toxic masculinity and all of the problems it brings about.
I'm against the advertising industry - the mass manipulation of entire populations for no other reason than to profit at others' expense. I'm especially against this when it co-opts an important message and devalues it in the process.

On January 18 2019 23:01 Gahlo wrote:

Gillette put out a commercial that was basically a "we need to strive to be better and deal with this toxic masculinity bullshit we've got going on." and the right got butthurt about it. As such, they're trying to use this to dismiss the commercial as just a ploy to get women who do the shopping to buy their men Gillette razors.

edit: Here's the commercial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koPmuEyP3a0&ab_channel=Gillette

On January 18 2019 23:35 Plansix wrote:

Do you think I was attacking you with that comment? I don’t consider you some red-piller asshole who feels attacked any time someone points out the toxic aspects of male culture.

On January 18 2019 23:35 Plansix wrote:

Edit: Commercials can have artistic value. Depending on the commercial, there can be a lot of creative and experimental filming methods used. They are low risk projects and are not devoid of craft or artistic value.