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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
January 18 2019 16:49 GMT
#20921
Just to reinforce the obstruction case trump issues another witness intimidation threat today. He's threatening Cohen with consequences for his family. It couldn't be any more clear. If there is proof behind the buzzfeed, trump should be impeached.

Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
January 18 2019 17:03 GMT
#20922
On January 19 2019 01:37 On_Slaught wrote:
I'd like to think Trump would fight but I imagine he would resign and have Pence pardon him before we got too deep into impeachment/indictments.


Trump has no scruples or regard for the law so I wouldn't be surprised if he attempted to use the military or DHS or something to resist by force. This is where his cabinet people need to step up and do their duty to the country. Trump used to have Mattis standing between himself and catastrophe. Now the secretary of defense is a random Boeing executive.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
January 18 2019 17:25 GMT
#20923
On January 19 2019 02:03 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2019 01:37 On_Slaught wrote:
I'd like to think Trump would fight but I imagine he would resign and have Pence pardon him before we got too deep into impeachment/indictments.


Trump has no scruples or regard for the law so I wouldn't be surprised if he attempted to use the military or DHS or something to resist by force. This is where his cabinet people need to step up and do their duty to the country. Trump used to have Mattis standing between himself and catastrophe. Now the secretary of defense is a random Boeing executive.


I think he'll start off by saying "many leaders in the world would not tolerate a coup such as is being done by angry democrats and the enemy of the state FBI" or something like that. It'll start with threats.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 18 2019 18:36 GMT
#20924
There is so much happening. This could be bad for a lot of people beyond her, because it is doubtful she came to the decision to lie to congress on her own. Everyone who works for Trump is so bad at their job.

I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
2006 Posts
January 18 2019 18:42 GMT
#20925
On January 19 2019 01:49 Doodsmack wrote:
Just to reinforce the obstruction case trump issues another witness intimidation threat today. He's threatening Cohen with consequences for his family. It couldn't be any more clear. If there is proof behind the buzzfeed, trump should be impeached.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1086277705916502017


There should be no doubt about his guilt with a "defense" like that. I reads "shut up because my D is bigger than yours" imo.
Buff the siegetank
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
January 18 2019 19:34 GMT
#20926
On January 19 2019 03:36 Plansix wrote:
There is so much happening. This could be bad for a lot of people beyond her, because it is doubtful she came to the decision to lie to congress on her own. Everyone who works for Trump is so bad at their job.

https://twitter.com/courtneyknorris/status/1086315657749319682


I think it's possible that it wasn't even a deliberate lie, just incompetence (not that it matters). From the sounds of it, the protocols for documenting the number of detained children were a total mess. They're saying there were possibly thousands more than were reported, in addition to the continuing detentions after judge ordered to stop.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 18 2019 19:38 GMT
#20927
On January 19 2019 04:34 Starlightsun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2019 03:36 Plansix wrote:
There is so much happening. This could be bad for a lot of people beyond her, because it is doubtful she came to the decision to lie to congress on her own. Everyone who works for Trump is so bad at their job.

https://twitter.com/courtneyknorris/status/1086315657749319682


I think it's possible that it wasn't even a deliberate lie, just incompetence (not that it matters). From the sounds of it, the protocols for documenting the number of detained children were a total mess. They're saying there were possibly thousands more than were reported, in addition to the continuing detentions after judge ordered to stop.

Hence why the FBI investigation is necessary. If she didn’t lie, then her agency was going rogue and making up their own directives on how to treat the children of people seeking refugee status. And then she should resign, because stealing children from parents is bad and she is accountable for the conduct of her agency. If she lied to congress, she should be charged and we need to know who told her to do that, if anyone.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
January 18 2019 21:12 GMT
#20928
Trump's approval continues to nose dive in the midst of the shutdown. This is a really strange situation because I am not sure if Trump is capable of breaking on this. But he has broken a few times before. He has some pretty embarrassing losses and this is looking to be he worst one yet. Is he finally fed up? Does he feel like he's been bullied enough and this is the hill he's dying on?

The thing is, eventually Mitch will crack. Mitch is not Trump, but Mitch knows the Trump era GOP is strongest when it sides with Trump. Civil wars help no one. And yet, this is just going to get worse. Dems have absolutely no reason to budge. So long as Americans blame Trump, the longer the shutdown is, the better, selfishly speaking. Really bad for "middle class" Americans living paycheck to paycheck, but perhaps a net positive if it essentially ends up unseating Trump. This wall failing will pretty much guarantee he won't be re-elected. And yet the shutdown is probably doing the same to his credibility.

Stay strong Nancy! You're absolutely killing it so far.



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Taken from https://fivethirtyeight.com/
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
January 18 2019 21:29 GMT
#20929
Turns out Cohen probably already admitted that trump directed him to lie. This pretty much confirms the core of the buzzfeed story. Hopefully this comes to the attention of house Democrats. Needless to say Fevruary 7th will be a big day. I would be shocked if the house doesnt impeach before the 2020 election.

Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
January 18 2019 21:33 GMT
#20930
On January 19 2019 06:12 Mohdoo wrote:
Trump's approval continues to nose dive in the midst of the shutdown. This is a really strange situation because I am not sure if Trump is capable of breaking on this. But he has broken a few times before. He has some pretty embarrassing losses and this is looking to be he worst one yet. Is he finally fed up? Does he feel like he's been bullied enough and this is the hill he's dying on?

The thing is, eventually Mitch will crack. Mitch is not Trump, but Mitch knows the Trump era GOP is strongest when it sides with Trump. Civil wars help no one. And yet, this is just going to get worse. Dems have absolutely no reason to budge. So long as Americans blame Trump, the longer the shutdown is, the better, selfishly speaking. Really bad for "middle class" Americans living paycheck to paycheck, but perhaps a net positive if it essentially ends up unseating Trump. This wall failing will pretty much guarantee he won't be re-elected. And yet the shutdown is probably doing the same to his credibility.

Stay strong Nancy! You're absolutely killing it so far.



[image loading]

Taken from https://fivethirtyeight.com/


The shutdown presents a pretty crazy situation for a crisis scenario where the house impeaches trump and hes up against the wall. It will bolster his overall argument that hes at war with th4 establishment. I wonder if it would actually prevent him from being able to declare an emergency or martial law or something though? On the other hand it may help him in doing that.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-18 21:39:15
January 18 2019 21:35 GMT
#20931
I saw that. The sentencing statement from his plea deal pretty much outlines that Individual 1instructed him to make false statements to Congress. It lacked the details of the Buzzfeed story, but it pretty much lays out that Cohen provided evidence to Mueller that Trump instructed him to commit a felony. The Nixon Felony.

Edit: Also Also, shout out to the Nation Weather Service in Boston, working without pay to keep us updated on when the last possible minute to prepare for the storm arrives. We might have to prepare in a reasonable time frame otherwise.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
January 18 2019 21:38 GMT
#20932
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-18 21:46:56
January 18 2019 21:46 GMT
#20933
I like how now the border problem shifted from drugs to rugs now. This logically means the next border crisis will be people wearing Uggs crossing the border. That will be the final straw to get the wall funding approved.
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Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8278 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-18 21:56:20
January 18 2019 21:56 GMT
#20934
On January 19 2019 06:46 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
I like how now the border problem shifted from drugs to rugs now. This logically means the next border crisis will be people wearing Uggs crossing the border. That will be the final straw to get the wall funding approved.


Not that a frikkin rug would matter in the first place, but just because Trump is Trump, he can't even get that right. Apparently it was a Adidas soccer jersey...

https://gawker.com/breitbart-com-is-sure-this-adidas-shirts-an-islamo-mexi-1603045854
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 18 2019 21:56 GMT
#20935
I like that they found prayer rugs and that is somehow sinister. This thing that you might mistake for a throw rug was out in the desert. On its own. Being used for religious stuff. That the person using it didn’t pick up for reasons. Let that fill your mind and make you think of crimes. And Terrrrrrrrooooorrrrrrriiiiisssssmmmmm.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32755 Posts
January 18 2019 21:58 GMT
#20936
On January 19 2019 06:46 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
I like how now the border problem shifted from drugs to rugs now. This logically means the next border crisis will be people wearing Uggs crossing the border. That will be the final straw to get the wall funding approved.

There's a hilarious list of reasons why this rugs on the Mexican border is complete bullshit.

1) The Washington Examiner went off one anonymous source who they claim they had to keep anonymous for "fear of retaliation"
2) How do you tell it's a prayer rug? There's a lot of rugs that might just happen to look "Islamic" because they are popular designs and a lot originate from Muslim-majority countries
3) Why the hell does it matter if a prayer rug is found there? Even if it was a prayer rug, so there was a Muslim on the border. Unless it was confirmed it was a terrorist's rug, who cares?
4) No evidence of said rug. No photos, no confirmation from authorities, no other media source
5) "What Border Patrol classifies as OTMs [other than Mexicans] has really increased in the last couple years, but drastically within the last six months. Chinese, Germans, Russians, a lot of Middle Easterners, those Czechoslovakians they caught over on our neighbor’s just last summer." Yeah... Czechoslovakia hasn't existed in a while, and the rest is just...

It's like the WE melded every fear of the extreme Trump voter. All they needed to throw in was the rug had a Hillary/Kaine 2016 sticker on the rug and stapled on a proposal for climate change action and increasing taxes. It's super rich, because I saw one Twitter hot take that went like "The media use anonymous sources all the time, so why does it matter that the WE uses one?"
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8278 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-18 22:09:59
January 18 2019 22:09 GMT
#20937
On January 19 2019 06:58 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2019 06:46 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
I like how now the border problem shifted from drugs to rugs now. This logically means the next border crisis will be people wearing Uggs crossing the border. That will be the final straw to get the wall funding approved.

There's a hilarious list of reasons why this rugs on the Mexican border is complete bullshit.

1) The Washington Examiner went off one anonymous source who they claim they had to keep anonymous for "fear of retaliation"
2) How do you tell it's a prayer rug? There's a lot of rugs that might just happen to look "Islamic" because they are popular designs and a lot originate from Muslim-majority countries
3) Why the hell does it matter if a prayer rug is found there? Even if it was a prayer rug, so there was a Muslim on the border. Unless it was confirmed it was a terrorist's rug, who cares?
4) No evidence of said rug. No photos, no confirmation from authorities, no other media source
5) "What Border Patrol classifies as OTMs [other than Mexicans] has really increased in the last couple years, but drastically within the last six months. Chinese, Germans, Russians, a lot of Middle Easterners, those Czechoslovakians they caught over on our neighbor’s just last summer." Yeah... Czechoslovakia hasn't existed in a while, and the rest is just...

It's like the WE melded every fear of the extreme Trump voter. All they needed to throw in was the rug had a Hillary/Kaine 2016 sticker on the rug and stapled on a proposal for climate change action and increasing taxes. It's super rich, because I saw one Twitter hot take that went like "The media use anonymous sources all the time, so why does it matter that the WE uses one?"


Oh there's a photo alright. A really grainy, and cropped one, which clearly shows that it's not a rug at all -.-
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
January 18 2019 23:20 GMT
#20938
Trump to make an announcement about the border tom. It can only mean a declaration of an emergency, no?

Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
January 18 2019 23:25 GMT
#20939
My guess is that it'll be the same as the previous announcement. Just pandering to his base so the other Republican Senators will stick by him.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
January 18 2019 23:25 GMT
#20940
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