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On December 30 2018 08:02 Sermokala wrote:
Stop being petty with your digs on the GOP. They're doing a bunch of things bad already but holding trump accountable for what at this point is still rumor and hearsay isn't a reasonable expectation. You have to wait for the investigation to finish before peddling that.
What exactly have the GOP done to hold Trump accountable for his actions? I am very eager to hear this. Not shutting down the investigation..? That's not exactly a high bar.
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On December 30 2018 09:14 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2018 08:02 Sermokala wrote:
Stop being petty with your digs on the GOP. They're doing a bunch of things bad already but holding trump accountable for what at this point is still rumor and hearsay isn't a reasonable expectation. You have to wait for the investigation to finish before peddling that. What exactly have the GOP done to hold Trump accountable for his actions? I am very eager to hear this. Not shutting down the investigation..? That's not exactly a high bar.
For their posision trump hasn't done anything wrong. Everything we know about the muller investigation is at this point still rumor and hearsay, no matter how credible the rumors and hearsay is.
Theres nothing to hold trump acountable for other then being a shitty president at this point.
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Plus the GOP can't really punish Trump without getting completely destroyed by their own base.
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Realistically, no action until Mueller's report is released is to be expected. There's plenty Trump and his family could have been taken to task about already, but I'm not remotely shocked that a party would not bother to chase down things like campaign violations and tax forms from their own Presidential candidate.
I don't particularly fault them for not trying to impeach Trump. I do fault the GOP for actively taking part in the fake news and the cover-ups.
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On December 30 2018 09:43 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2018 09:14 Excludos wrote:On December 30 2018 08:02 Sermokala wrote:
Stop being petty with your digs on the GOP. They're doing a bunch of things bad already but holding trump accountable for what at this point is still rumor and hearsay isn't a reasonable expectation. You have to wait for the investigation to finish before peddling that. What exactly have the GOP done to hold Trump accountable for his actions? I am very eager to hear this. Not shutting down the investigation..? That's not exactly a high bar. For their posision trump hasn't done anything wrong. Everything we know about the muller investigation is at this point still rumor and hearsay, no matter how credible the rumors and hearsay is. Theres nothing to hold trump acountable for other then being a shitty president at this point.
Do you believe this? Ignore the "well maybe Republicans can believe whatever they want to believe and I will bend over backwards to spin for them" line of thinking. What do you think? Did Trump do anything wrong?
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On December 30 2018 10:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Realistically, no action until Mueller's report is released is to be expected. There's plenty Trump and his family could have been taken to task about already, but I'm not remotely shocked that a party would not bother to chase down things like campaign violations and tax forms from their own Presidential candidate.
I don't particularly fault them for not trying to impeach Trump. I do fault the GOP for actively taking part in the fake news and the cover-ups.
Do you think it's possible for the Republicans to feel enough heat from a hypothetically damning Mueller report, and ever impeach their party's leader? I'm not sure what Trump can do that would make the GOP truly turn on him.
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On December 30 2018 11:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2018 10:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Realistically, no action until Mueller's report is released is to be expected. There's plenty Trump and his family could have been taken to task about already, but I'm not remotely shocked that a party would not bother to chase down things like campaign violations and tax forms from their own Presidential candidate.
I don't particularly fault them for not trying to impeach Trump. I do fault the GOP for actively taking part in the fake news and the cover-ups. Do you think it's possible for the Republicans to feel enough heat from a hypothetically damning Mueller report, and ever impeach their party's leader? I'm not sure what Trump can do that would make the GOP truly turn on him.
If the stock market goes down then all the Stocks Dads that give Trump the benefit of the doubt will flee in an instant. That puts him in Bush2 territory of only having Evangelicals (~28%) backing him up.
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On December 30 2018 11:07 Wulfey_LA wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2018 09:43 Sermokala wrote:On December 30 2018 09:14 Excludos wrote:On December 30 2018 08:02 Sermokala wrote:
Stop being petty with your digs on the GOP. They're doing a bunch of things bad already but holding trump accountable for what at this point is still rumor and hearsay isn't a reasonable expectation. You have to wait for the investigation to finish before peddling that. What exactly have the GOP done to hold Trump accountable for his actions? I am very eager to hear this. Not shutting down the investigation..? That's not exactly a high bar. For their posision trump hasn't done anything wrong. Everything we know about the muller investigation is at this point still rumor and hearsay, no matter how credible the rumors and hearsay is. Theres nothing to hold trump acountable for other then being a shitty president at this point. Do you believe this? Ignore the "well maybe Republicans can believe whatever they want to believe and I will bend over backwards to spin for them" line of thinking. What do you think? Did Trump do anything wrong?
I'm waiting for the muller report until making my opinion on the things hes investigating?
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On December 30 2018 12:15 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2018 11:07 Wulfey_LA wrote:On December 30 2018 09:43 Sermokala wrote:On December 30 2018 09:14 Excludos wrote:On December 30 2018 08:02 Sermokala wrote:
Stop being petty with your digs on the GOP. They're doing a bunch of things bad already but holding trump accountable for what at this point is still rumor and hearsay isn't a reasonable expectation. You have to wait for the investigation to finish before peddling that. What exactly have the GOP done to hold Trump accountable for his actions? I am very eager to hear this. Not shutting down the investigation..? That's not exactly a high bar. For their posision trump hasn't done anything wrong. Everything we know about the muller investigation is at this point still rumor and hearsay, no matter how credible the rumors and hearsay is. Theres nothing to hold trump acountable for other then being a shitty president at this point. Do you believe this? Ignore the "well maybe Republicans can believe whatever they want to believe and I will bend over backwards to spin for them" line of thinking. What do you think? Did Trump do anything wrong? I'm waiting for the muller report until making my opinion on the things hes investigating?
How many underlings must a President have plead out to testify against him and other underlings before you start getting suspicious? 1? 3? 5? 10?
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Beliving Trump hasn’t done anything wrong also requires someone to ignore how he is using the office to enrich himself and his family. The graft is kinda overwhelming. So we can take digs at the GOP for lacking a spine or any will to stop the flagerant grifting.
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Nothing on the (next) blatant lying by Trump? Democrats to blame for the (by now) two dead children, and the fact that he literally spun the story 180 degrees saying the father of the first girl said border control had nothing to do with anything and that he didn't give the girl water in days?
I guess that's also "normal" by now and should just be overlooked, right?
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United States42640 Posts
On December 30 2018 09:43 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2018 09:14 Excludos wrote:On December 30 2018 08:02 Sermokala wrote:
Stop being petty with your digs on the GOP. They're doing a bunch of things bad already but holding trump accountable for what at this point is still rumor and hearsay isn't a reasonable expectation. You have to wait for the investigation to finish before peddling that. What exactly have the GOP done to hold Trump accountable for his actions? I am very eager to hear this. Not shutting down the investigation..? That's not exactly a high bar. For their posision trump hasn't done anything wrong. Everything we know about the muller investigation is at this point still rumor and hearsay, no matter how credible the rumors and hearsay is. Theres nothing to hold trump acountable for other then being a shitty president at this point.
The investigation into the Trump Foundation has concluded that he engaged in self dealing. The most you can say is that he hasn’t yet been proven to have colluded. He’s been found to have done other illegal things though.
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On December 30 2018 11:53 Wulfey_LA wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2018 11:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 30 2018 10:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Realistically, no action until Mueller's report is released is to be expected. There's plenty Trump and his family could have been taken to task about already, but I'm not remotely shocked that a party would not bother to chase down things like campaign violations and tax forms from their own Presidential candidate.
I don't particularly fault them for not trying to impeach Trump. I do fault the GOP for actively taking part in the fake news and the cover-ups. Do you think it's possible for the Republicans to feel enough heat from a hypothetically damning Mueller report, and ever impeach their party's leader? I'm not sure what Trump can do that would make the GOP truly turn on him. If the stock market goes down then all the Stocks Dads that give Trump the benefit of the doubt will flee in an instant. That puts him in Bush2 territory of only having Evangelicals (~28%) backing him up.
Well 2018's stock market volatility has seem to indicate that the climb from 2009 to 2017 is mostly over. January 2018 was roughly equal to/ slightly higher than December 2018 in the stock market.
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Does Trump seriously think that potential immigrants won't try because there's a wall there? That's insane. There;s a massive fucking sea in Europe that hasn't deterred anyone. THere's currently an emergency situation in the UK because of immigrants using shitty boats and getting stuck in the sea. Its just one more angle from which the whole wall thing seems badly conceived.
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On December 30 2018 21:44 Jockmcplop wrote:Does Trump seriously think that potential immigrants won't try because there's a wall there? That's insane. There;s a massive fucking sea in Europe that hasn't deterred anyone. THere's currently an emergency situation in the UK because of immigrants using shitty boats and getting stuck in the sea. Its just one more angle from which the whole wall thing seems badly conceived. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1079082188665171971 Its about blaming someone else for the deaths. Since it isn't actually the Democrats fault he has to make shit up.
And the answer to every "Does Trump really?" is yes, yes he does.
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On December 30 2018 17:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2018 11:53 Wulfey_LA wrote:On December 30 2018 11:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 30 2018 10:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Realistically, no action until Mueller's report is released is to be expected. There's plenty Trump and his family could have been taken to task about already, but I'm not remotely shocked that a party would not bother to chase down things like campaign violations and tax forms from their own Presidential candidate.
I don't particularly fault them for not trying to impeach Trump. I do fault the GOP for actively taking part in the fake news and the cover-ups. Do you think it's possible for the Republicans to feel enough heat from a hypothetically damning Mueller report, and ever impeach their party's leader? I'm not sure what Trump can do that would make the GOP truly turn on him. If the stock market goes down then all the Stocks Dads that give Trump the benefit of the doubt will flee in an instant. That puts him in Bush2 territory of only having Evangelicals (~28%) backing him up. Well 2018's stock market volatility has seem to indicate that the climb from 2009 to 2017 is mostly over. January 2018 was roughly equal to/ slightly higher than December 2018 in the stock market.
Depends. There is the inverted yield curve which traditionally has been a sign of an impending recession.
But the question is if this signal can still be trusted when the fed has messed with interest rates and qe so much. If no recession is coming then this could be a great buying opportunity.
Emerging markets have been dropping for almost 8 years,it should turn around at one point in which case the whole world economy would be in full swing again. Its is also still tina,there is no alternative. Fixed income is not atractive when rates are rising.
Its all very difficult to judge,since the money market has been made so artificial by the fed with all the buying and selling of bonds.
And about trump: i dont think there is any politician who is 100% clean and who has never done anything wrong,but maybe thats just my cynical nature. Its no excuse for trump but people should see things in perspective.
I hope mueller report wil come out soon,will it ever come out during trumps first term i begin to wonder. It is taking forever.
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That's not being cynical, there's being obtuse. Even a cynic who thinks all politicians are corrupt can understand the distinction between using taxpayer money on home renovations and openly courting conflict of interest and letting it influence the domestic and foreign policy of the country. There are levels of corruption my man, you say that we should see things in perspective but that's precisely how everyone is viewing this Republican administration and how the GOP does nothing about it.
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Canada11349 Posts
On December 30 2018 21:44 Jockmcplop wrote:Does Trump seriously think that potential immigrants won't try because there's a wall there? That's insane. There;s a massive fucking sea in Europe that hasn't deterred anyone. THere's currently an emergency situation in the UK because of immigrants using shitty boats and getting stuck in the sea. Its just one more angle from which the whole wall thing seems badly conceived. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1079082188665171971
It should still narrow the points of entry and the US isn't exactly short on crafts that could escort or tow back the boats. Considering there already is something of a wall already, unless it was also insane back then, it's not so insane now to make a better one. Be that as it may, the truth is Trump had the best chance to start his wall project when Republicans controlled Congress, Senate and Presidency. Nothing was attempted until they lost the Congress. That tells me he's not so serious about the wall, despite making it pretty much his number one promise.
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On December 31 2018 02:32 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2018 21:44 Jockmcplop wrote:Does Trump seriously think that potential immigrants won't try because there's a wall there? That's insane. There;s a massive fucking sea in Europe that hasn't deterred anyone. THere's currently an emergency situation in the UK because of immigrants using shitty boats and getting stuck in the sea. Its just one more angle from which the whole wall thing seems badly conceived. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1079082188665171971 It should still narrow the points of entry and the US isn't exactly short on crafts that could escort or tow back the boats. Considering there already is something of a wall already, unless it was also insane back then, it's not so insane now to make a better one. Be that as it may, the truth is Trump had the best chance to start his wall project when Republicans controlled Congress, Senate and Presidency. Nothing was attempted until they lost the Congress. That tells me he's not so serious about the wall, despite making it pretty much his number one promise. I think Trump is serious about the wall, in so far as he is serious about anything for more then 2 minutes.
I believe it was the GOP that moved him away from it, both because of the cost and to use it as an attack point against the Democrats, see the bunch of Senators who started talking about the wall again now that the Democrats are the ones stopping it.
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On December 31 2018 02:32 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2018 21:44 Jockmcplop wrote:Does Trump seriously think that potential immigrants won't try because there's a wall there? That's insane. There;s a massive fucking sea in Europe that hasn't deterred anyone. THere's currently an emergency situation in the UK because of immigrants using shitty boats and getting stuck in the sea. Its just one more angle from which the whole wall thing seems badly conceived. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1079082188665171971 It should still narrow the points of entry and the US isn't exactly short on crafts that could escort or tow back the boats. Considering there already is something of a wall already, unless it was also insane back then, it's not so insane now to make a better one. Be that as it may, the truth is Trump had the best chance to start his wall project when Republicans controlled Congress, Senate and Presidency. Nothing was attempted until they lost the Congress. That tells me he's not so serious about the wall, despite making it pretty much his number one promise.
I didn't say having a wall is insane.
I said that the idea that because there's a wall no-one will try and cross the border illegally is insane.
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