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Once again, as this is a sensitive topic and one that can cause a lot of unnecessary things to be said in the heat of the moment, be VERY careful about what you post. Think twice before actually stating something and please be considerate of anyone who may feel involved or affected. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On July 15 2016 08:21 AbouSV wrote: As of yet, they are still unsure whether he was a 'lonely lunatic' or a 'motivated perpetrator'. How do you get guns and grenades if you're "lonely lunatic" though? It seems organised, so it can't be one person only. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 15 2016 08:23 TheEmulator wrote: Well we do know ISIS claimed it was them, although I guess they can technically claim anything. There still needs to be an identity/background check on this guy. They will claim they did it as long anyone will possibility believe them. On July 15 2016 08:25 Shield wrote: How do you get guns and grenades if you're "lonely lunatic" though? It seems organised, so it can't be one person only. It is sad that as an America my first thought is "Nah, could just be a doomsday prepper that lost it." | ||
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ArtyK
France3143 Posts
On July 15 2016 08:21 LemOn wrote: Let's arm all the good guys with RPGs I say! I'm actually glad this didn't happen during Euro, could have been much worse. I don't know man, it was probably much harder to pull off during it, apparently it's 70+ killed and hundreds of injured right now? I wish it'd be better not worse... The past year and a half in france has been insane, i find myself thinking about things that could happen and how i would react when i do simple things like taking the subway now. I know the odds are incredibly low to find yourself in such circumstances but yet hundreds, thousands of people get killed each year because of absolute brainwashed morons... Simply a depressing world | ||
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Sent.
Poland9108 Posts
On July 15 2016 08:25 Shield wrote: How do you get guns and grenades if you're "lonely lunatic" though? It seems organised, so it can't be one person only. I think "lonely lunatic" in this context means someone like Breivik or the pilot who flew a plane into the Alps. Not associated or inspired by a terrorist organisation. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9024 Posts
On July 15 2016 08:23 TheEmulator wrote: Well we do know ISIS claimed it was them, although I guess they can technically claim anything. There still needs to be an identity/background check on this guy. Have they ever claimed responsibility for an attack that turned out to have nothing to do with Islam? | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32737 Posts
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stilt
France2736 Posts
On July 15 2016 07:25 FiWiFaKi wrote: I think pictures are fine to get people to understand the situation. More transparency is always good imo. Curious to see what the reaction to this in France is going to be. No there are not fines, this is immoral, just to increase the spectacular in the back of dead people. I don't have to understand the situation by seeing corpses and every normal human being should not fall in this voyeurism. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
On July 15 2016 08:35 stilt wrote: No there are not fines, this is immoral, just to increase the spectacular in the back of dead people. I don't have to understand the situation by seeing corpses and every normal human being should not fall in this voyeurism. I agree with Fiwi. I think people actually need to see what violence does to people first hand, brutal violence. It's a shock, it's disgusting, and it has a very visceral reaction. But I think it's important people understand and see the results of violence. I partially believe this because I think liberals would be a little less rose coloured upon seeing a man smash another mans head in or cut his head off. To not look to me is to almost put your head in the sand and pretend it never happened for some people. It seems cowardly and a way to, "this doesn't involve me I just want things to go back to normal." | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On July 15 2016 08:40 SK.Testie wrote: I actually agree with Fiwi. I think people actually need to see what violence does to people first hand, brutal violence. It's a shock, it's disgusting, and it has a very visceral reaction. But I think it's important people understand and see the results of violence. I partially believe this because I think liberals would be a little less rose coloured upon seeing a man smash another mans head in or cut his head off. So your mother, your wife and child are butchered in the streets in front of your house. What's your reaction of people tweeting their dismembered corpses ? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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ArtyK
France3143 Posts
On July 15 2016 08:40 SK.Testie wrote: I actually agree with Fiwi. I think people actually need to see what violence does to people first hand, brutal violence. It's a shock, it's disgusting, and it has a very visceral reaction. But I think it's important people understand and see the results of violence. I partially believe this because I think liberals would be a little less rose coloured upon seeing a man smash another mans head in or cut his head off. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say youre both wrong or both partially right. They should be available for people to see but we should have the option not to see them. Some people might get tired of seeing those kinds of things every fucking month, they already know what it looks like, or hell they might have been present in another situation like this one and don't need a visual reminder... and this : On July 15 2016 08:41 Plansix wrote: On the topic of the photos, news agencies really should show some restraint. Those people have family members and that is no way to find out how someone you cared about died. Its gross, voyeuristic and exploitative. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10109 Posts
This whole transparency is just to push narratives and instil fear. | ||
KwarK
United States42009 Posts
French President Francois Hollande, who was in the south of France at the time, had hours earlier said a state of emergency put in place after the Paris attacks in November would not be extended when it was due to expire on July 26. "We can't extend the state of emergency indefinitely, it would make no sense. That would mean we're no longer a republic with the rule of law applied in all circumstances," Hollande told journalists in a traditional Bastille Day interview. Seems likely that this will have to be reviewed which is a pity because, as Hollande says, emergency powers should not be extended indefinitely. | ||
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Reaps
United Kingdom1280 Posts
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
On July 15 2016 08:41 FFW_Rude wrote: So your mother, your wife and child are butchered in the streets in front of your house. What's your reaction of people tweeting their dismembered corpses ? They're dead. The dead don't have feelings. You don't know what kind of victim I would be. It's going to be reported regardless, people are going to know regardless. Since you already know my feelings on the issue they wouldn't change just because it's personal. I wouldn't want people to see the horror I've seen because it's grotesque or to share the experience or something sick like that, but I would want them to understand just what exactly it is they may be dealing with in their community. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32737 Posts
On July 15 2016 08:46 Reaps wrote: The thing that is really messed up for me, people that are taking pictures or recording videos could actually be helping the victims instead. As far as I've seen most, if not all the injured people were attended to. Not everyone has the heart or medical knowledge to be involved and I'm sure there are more than enough people to lend a hand. Some people have the duty of recording it to show why it is such a tragic event. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
On July 15 2016 08:46 Reaps wrote: The thing that is really messed up for me, people that are taking pictures or recording videos could actually be helping the victims instead. Of the videos I'd seen thus far people were already attending as a man walked through the crowd filming it. He'd only be in the way of someone possibly far more qualified than him. Not sure about all people filming it. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
On July 15 2016 08:35 stilt wrote: No there are not fines, this is immoral, just to increase the spectacular in the back of dead people. I don't have to understand the situation by seeing corpses and every normal human being should not fall in this voyeurism. I think people should have access to it for information purposes, and anyone saying otherwise is denying something pretty fundamental. So I think that if a media company chooses so, they should be freely allowed (so long as it's within the law with regards to privacy), though putting disclaimers is a nice thing to do. I prefer seeing the whole story, and try to extract as many fact as I can instead of relying on a single source to feed me biased information. I'm not someone who needs to squint at the sight of violence or blood, I think understanding it is important. I agree that you want to make sure the consumer knows what he's getting into, but if he does, then let them - in that regard I think wikileaks is an absolutely fantastic site. | ||
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