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French prisions breed their own terrorists and islamists. And it is possible because people (mostly politicians) who are claiming to support "diversity in society" and "all man are the same" are just tollerating the fact that "brown faced people" are being poor in their country. All put into ghettos or banlieu. But they don't want their own kids to be put in the same school.
And since people from banlieu tend to be poor, the won't get education, so they stay poor and lose hope. And with no hope there is no reason not to start dealing drugs. And if you get caught you go to Ghetto-Prision (yes there are nice prisions, for people who dodged taxes and there are.....ghetto prisons for people who never knew who their father was and quit school for dealing drugs.)
If we do not seriously try to assimilate ALL people of another cultural backround in western society, we make it super ez for pseudo religious or nationalist groups to create a "new identity" for them, one that gives them some hope for a better life, even if it includes killing 300 innocent people .
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I'm a terrible person because I don't feel anything when something like this happens. I'm not shocked or sorry or sad or scared. My first thought is always: great, now they'll introduce more surveillance again. France's authorities already have more power than in most other European countries, but that didn't stop Charlie Hebdo or this new attack. And it won't stop politicians around the world from calling for more surveillance, more control, more espionage more power for secret services, less freedom, less civil rights, less due process. This is what scares me. It won't help the slightest bit against carefully planned terrorist attacks, but it will actually affect our lives. We're letting the terrorists win. Don't feed the troll, and don't panic over terrorist attacks.
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On November 14 2015 18:36 ForTehDarkseid wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 18:15 hfglgg wrote:On November 14 2015 17:59 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On November 14 2015 17:44 hfglgg wrote:On November 14 2015 17:40 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On November 14 2015 17:32 hfglgg wrote:On November 14 2015 17:13 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
This is terrible and totally unacceptable on a goverment level. High-class police officers better retire immediately and the whole surveilance system should be upgraded as soon as possible.
yeah i am sure we all want to live in a police state... get real, 120 death isnt nearly enough to threaten a society of that magnitude unless the society turns on itself. thats why everyone involved has to keep their heads clear and make rational decisions and not give in to the fear of the unlikely. If it was a single attack, yeah maybe. But it was the largest coordinated and simultaneosly carried into the action terrorists attack in a Western capital city I have ever heard! And not a single act was prevented. It's frightening and something needs to be done asap. please elaborate why something has to be done immediately? how are 120 people critical to a nation of 60 million? i understand that people are under shock but please dont act like animals and give in to your instincts. you have a brain for a reason, use it. Such events can happen in theory ONLY if there is an immense security breach. If you aren't going to fix it, well, malice doers will abuse it again. It's exactly what happened: Charlie Hebdo shootings were left unandressed and now within the mere 8 months timeframe the scale has risen tremendously. 8 armed people killed 140 civilans and left more than 200 harmed. I don't care about police state more than I care about innocent lives. more people die for other reasons and societies are large and they can withstand that easily without a drop in quality of life. there is no complete safety and people should realise that. we can die for some stupid reason at any time of any given day and there is nothing we can do about it. we can try to minimize it here and there but in the end everytime we do that it costs us a bit of the comfort we are used to. we trade lifes for comfort, thats what we do everywhere. in germany we have no speed limits on highways and people die because of that but we are fine with it because driving fast is fun. in america people die because guns are readily available and thats fine because shooting for recreational purposes is fun. stop making such a big deal out of people dieing, its the most normal thing in the world. if you really want those things to not happen, than there are better ways to do it that dont reslove around abolishing everything we stand for. Your analogues are plain wrong. road fatalities and gun shootings aren't affecting economical and political situation in a country and are nothing but a statistical fluctuation, while acts of terror are external shocks which spread the negative effects light-fast. If you don't deal with it publicly, the social tensions would escalate and lead into more casualties and problems that are harde to solve. Terror is a international a riffle effect, which manipulates people in all countries by anxiety, rage and fear.
this is more wishful thinking of you than anything else and not backed up by anything we have witnessed in the past, except if you mean that people are stupid and tend to overreact to horrible events which then leads to more horrible events. if you mean that, we are on the same page. but thats why i am saying everyone needs to stay calm and make rational choices that are actually helpful. going into full blown panic mode is the opposite of rational and the opposite of helpful.
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On November 14 2015 18:41 KT_Elwood wrote:
French prisions breed their own terrorists and islamists. And it is possible because people (mostly politicians) who are claiming to support "diversity in society" and "all man are the same" are just tollerating the fact that "brown faced people" are being poor in their country. All put into ghettos or banlieu. But they don't want their own kids to be put in the same school.
And since people from banlieu tend to be poor, the won't get education, so they stay poor and lose hope. And with no hope there is no reason not to start dealing drugs. And if you get caught you go to Ghetto-Prision (yes there are nice prisions, for people who dodged taxes and there are.....ghetto prisons for people who never knew who their father was and quit school for dealing drugs.)
If we do not seriously try to assimilate ALL people of another cultural backround in western society, we make it super ez for pseudo religious or nationalist groups to create a "new identity" for them, one that gives them some hope for a better life, even if it includes killing 300 innocent people .
So is this a new type of "France had it coming, they are reaping what they've sown" ?
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On November 14 2015 18:41 KT_Elwood wrote:
French prisions breed their own terrorists and islamists. And it is possible because people (mostly politicians) who are claiming to support "diversity in society" and "all man are the same" are just tollerating the fact that "brown faced people" are being poor in their country. All put into ghettos or banlieu. But they don't want their own kids to be put in the same school.
And since people from banlieu tend to be poor, the won't get education, so they stay poor and lose hope. And with no hope there is no reason not to start dealing drugs. And if you get caught you go to Ghetto-Prision (yes there are nice prisions, for people who dodged taxes and there are.....ghetto prisons for people who never knew who their father was and quit school for dealing drugs.)
If we do not seriously try to assimilate ALL people of another cultural backround in western society, we make it super ez for pseudo religious or nationalist groups to create a "new identity" for them, one that gives them some hope for a better life, even if it includes killing 300 innocent people .
Exactly my feeling on the matter. We're sending troubled kids in prison for drug use and small theft, and they come back as islamist.
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On November 14 2015 18:44 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 18:41 KT_Elwood wrote:
French prisions breed their own terrorists and islamists. And it is possible because people (mostly politicians) who are claiming to support "diversity in society" and "all man are the same" are just tollerating the fact that "brown faced people" are being poor in their country. All put into ghettos or banlieu. But they don't want their own kids to be put in the same school.
And since people from banlieu tend to be poor, the won't get education, so they stay poor and lose hope. And with no hope there is no reason not to start dealing drugs. And if you get caught you go to Ghetto-Prision (yes there are nice prisions, for people who dodged taxes and there are.....ghetto prisons for people who never knew who their father was and quit school for dealing drugs.)
If we do not seriously try to assimilate ALL people of another cultural backround in western society, we make it super ez for pseudo religious or nationalist groups to create a "new identity" for them, one that gives them some hope for a better life, even if it includes killing 300 innocent people . So is this a new type of "France had it coming, they are reaping what they've sown" ?
No. To take strategic decision, we have to understand the causes of events and the motivation of our ennemies. That is all.
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So sad. However i have heard that france has like the worst integration in Europe and that can explain a lot of this, doesn't justify it in the slightest but, it may be a cause.
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@hfglgg
When you ask crowds of people to stay calm, they will panic even more (it's a scientific fact). People need to see some measures taken to calm themselve AND to see some authorities taking responsibility for the tragedy. There's no such thing as comfort infringement when it comes to a national safety, it's the only rational way to act: if you can't eliminate the threat, you make sure you do everything to prevent it from happening and restrict the possible scenarios of a force majeur, else you'll pay even more in a future.
The nature of terrorism is well-known, it's #1 threat globally exactly because it costs more than any other disaster bar atomic ones and much research is done on how much it affects all spheres of life.
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daesh responsible according to hollande
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Religion of peace strike's back.
"Bombs are going off. Sounds like Muslim terrorism.
Bombs and multiple shootings. This appears to be clearly a planned terrorist attack."
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TLnet are you serious ? What a retarded political correctness...
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Zurich15362 Posts
German police had detained a heavily armed Moroccan on Thursday, he is now suspected to have been part of the attacks. Hopefully this arrest will yield some insight and help preventing future attacks.
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This is terrible news:
ISIS is no longer a regional problem. And the solution will require an international response involving NATO, and other world powers. It will get messy and ugly soon.
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+ Show Spoiler +On November 14 2015 18:44 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 18:41 KT_Elwood wrote:
French prisions breed their own terrorists and islamists. And it is possible because people (mostly politicians) who are claiming to support "diversity in society" and "all man are the same" are just tollerating the fact that "brown faced people" are being poor in their country. All put into ghettos or banlieu. But they don't want their own kids to be put in the same school.
And since people from banlieu tend to be poor, the won't get education, so they stay poor and lose hope. And with no hope there is no reason not to start dealing drugs. And if you get caught you go to Ghetto-Prision (yes there are nice prisions, for people who dodged taxes and there are.....ghetto prisons for people who never knew who their father was and quit school for dealing drugs.)
If we do not seriously try to assimilate ALL people of another cultural backround in western society, we make it super ez for pseudo religious or nationalist groups to create a "new identity" for them, one that gives them some hope for a better life, even if it includes killing 300 innocent people .
So is this a new type of "France had it coming, they are reaping what they've sown" ?
No, we do the same pseudo-migrant-friendly bullshit here in germany, and it's plain wrong. Either you be truly friendly, or openly against migration. At the moment it is, YEAH MIGRANTS (but not in my neighbourhood, unless they are rich, rich or doctors...yeah doctors are nice).
France also has the balls to bomb the goat-Fuckers of ISIS and also your military forces are generally more scattered arround the world and actually "In Action" (Lybia, Somalia, Syria...).
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I am so sorry for your loss, France.....
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On November 14 2015 18:57 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
@hfglgg
When you ask people to stay calm, they will panic even more (it's a scientific fact). People need to see some measures taken to calm themselves. There's no such thing as comfort infringement when it comes to a national safety.
The nature of terrorism is well-known, it's #1 threat globally exactly because it costs more than any other disaster bar atomic ones and much research is done on how much it affects all spheres of life.
but i am not saying people should tell others to stay calm, i am saying that the people who are in charge should actually stay calm. thats a huge difference.
what should be done now is investigate everything thoroughly and prosecute everyone involved, if suspects flee to countries where they cant be prosecuted go there and arrest/kill them. nothing else needs to be done, no amount of extra surveillance can eliminate terrorism or crime in general, it will always happen and has always happend.
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On November 14 2015 19:02 zatic wrote:
German police had detained a heavily armed Moroccan on Thursday, he is now suspected to have been part of the attacks. Hopefully this arrest will yield some insight and help preventing future attacks.
Yeah arrested in bavaria, with guns and explosives and they knew he was going to Paris ...
I really wonder why there wasn't any warning or a hightened state of alert or something.
Shouldnt they at least try to drug and torture these people to get any info out to maybe prevent this stuff instead of, mhhh doing nothing? I mean I am in general against torture but in the case of someone smuggling assault rifles and explosives to Paris, I mean come on ... such a man deserves no rights.
But alas, another inmate for our comfy prisons with TV sets, music, books, food and what not, payed by tax payer Joe.
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Zurich15362 Posts
On November 14 2015 19:10 hfglgg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 18:57 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
@hfglgg
When you ask people to stay calm, they will panic even more (it's a scientific fact). People need to see some measures taken to calm themselves. There's no such thing as comfort infringement when it comes to a national safety.
The nature of terrorism is well-known, it's #1 threat globally exactly because it costs more than any other disaster bar atomic ones and much research is done on how much it affects all spheres of life.
what should be done now is investigate everything thoroughly and prosecute everyone involved, if suspects flee to countries where they cant be prosecuted go there and arrest/kill them. nothing else needs to be done, no amount of extra surveillance can eliminate terrorism or crime in general, it will always happen and has always happend.
Right. However, this type of attack is exactly the type that is actually hard to pull off against a vigilant state. This was a whole different quality than Charlie Hebdo, with significant logistical effort put into it. Security services must have fucked up hard this time to be completely surprised.
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On November 14 2015 19:15 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 19:10 hfglgg wrote:On November 14 2015 18:57 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
@hfglgg
When you ask people to stay calm, they will panic even more (it's a scientific fact). People need to see some measures taken to calm themselves. There's no such thing as comfort infringement when it comes to a national safety.
The nature of terrorism is well-known, it's #1 threat globally exactly because it costs more than any other disaster bar atomic ones and much research is done on how much it affects all spheres of life.
what should be done now is investigate everything thoroughly and prosecute everyone involved, if suspects flee to countries where they cant be prosecuted go there and arrest/kill them. nothing else needs to be done, no amount of extra surveillance can eliminate terrorism or crime in general, it will always happen and has always happend. Right. However, this type of attack is exactly the type that is actually hard to pull off against a vigilant state. This was a whole different quality than Charlie Hebdo, with significant logistical effort put into it. Security services must have fucked up hard this time to be completely surprised.
i mean it's a few AK47s and grenades in a country that has super open borders with other EU states.. it'll probably come out that the weapons were smuggled into a poorer EU country then driven to France, there's not much french intelligence could have done
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On November 14 2015 19:15 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 19:10 hfglgg wrote:On November 14 2015 18:57 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
@hfglgg
When you ask people to stay calm, they will panic even more (it's a scientific fact). People need to see some measures taken to calm themselves. There's no such thing as comfort infringement when it comes to a national safety.
The nature of terrorism is well-known, it's #1 threat globally exactly because it costs more than any other disaster bar atomic ones and much research is done on how much it affects all spheres of life.
what should be done now is investigate everything thoroughly and prosecute everyone involved, if suspects flee to countries where they cant be prosecuted go there and arrest/kill them. nothing else needs to be done, no amount of extra surveillance can eliminate terrorism or crime in general, it will always happen and has always happend. Right. However, this type of attack is exactly the type that is actually hard to pull off against a vigilant state. This was a whole different quality than Charlie Hebdo, with significant logistical effort put into it. Security services must have fucked up hard this time to be completely surprised.
maybe, but even if so the answer cant be less democracy, less civil rights and less everything that is so awesome.
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