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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
Liberation (name of a journal) reportter says on twittter that the profilles of the people they are looking for are more serious, trained and prepared that tthe other terroorists we have seen thus far. For french reader, liberation is uselly not publishing stuff that isn't official or verified : http://www.liberation.fr/direct/ | ||
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hfglgg
Germany5372 Posts
On November 14 2015 17:13 ForTehDarkseid wrote: This is terrible and totally unacceptable on a goverment level. High-class police officers better retire immediately and the whole surveilance system should be upgraded as soon as possible. yeah i am sure we all want to live in a police state... get real, 120 death isnt nearly enough to threaten a society of that magnitude unless the society turns on itself. thats why everyone involved has to keep their heads clear and make rational decisions and not give in to the fear of the unlikely. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On November 14 2015 17:20 Maenander wrote: That's why being born and raised in France or speaking French perfectly is not enough. If there are people who don't feel like they are part of their country but rather its enemies and feel more loyalty towards a very different ideology than the one their state propagates, then something has gone seriously wrong. Last tuesday I was in class talking to kids who had 16 years old. I asked them when was it that they had to take the photo of the class. A girl said to me that it is scheduled for next tuesday and said that she will "bring a flag with her". I asked which flag ? She responded "algerian flag of course". Why not the french flag ? I responded to her. "You're french, in a french school". She answered "don't tell me that I'm french it's an insult". Yeah something has gone wrong. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On November 14 2015 17:32 WhiteDog wrote: Last tuesday I was in class talking to kids who had 16 years old. I asked them when was it that they had to take the photo of the class. A girl said to me that it is scheduled for next tuesday and said that she will "bring a flag with her". I asked which flag ? She responded "algerian flag of course". Why not the french flag ? I responded to her. "You're french, in a french school". She answered "don't tell me that I'm french it's an insult". Yeah something has gone wrong. You asked her why ? | ||
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Ler
Germany543 Posts
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
Selon un nouveau bilan annoncé par l'AFP, qui cite des sources policières, le nombre de morts s'élève à 127, auxquels s'ajoutent environ 180 blessés dont 80 en «urgence absolue». 127 dead, 180 wounnded and 80 in a absolute critical state. Police source. I really hope everyone got in touch with their friends and collegue. I just heard word from the last of the people i had no news on. He was at the Stade de France. Shocked but alright. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
I asked her why, she said that she had the french passeport, but was not french but algerian. Then other kids said that it was stupid to say that it was "an insult", that it was disrespectful, she defended herself saying that she meant nothing negative just that it was a fact that she did not consider herself as french. It is a common occurence, it is not the majority of the kids - the huge majority are french and would never say that - but it is a reality for at least one kid per classes. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
On November 14 2015 17:32 hfglgg wrote: yeah i am sure we all want to live in a police state... get real, 120 death isnt nearly enough to threaten a society of that magnitude unless the society turns on itself. thats why everyone involved has to keep their heads clear and make rational decisions and not give in to the fear of the unlikely. If it was a single attack, yeah maybe. But it was the largest coordinated and simultaneosly carried into the action terrorists attack in a Western capital city I have ever heard! And not a single act was prevented. It's frightening and something needs to be done asap, because succesfull acts of terror always lead into more acts of violence. | ||
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hfglgg
Germany5372 Posts
On November 14 2015 17:40 ForTehDarkseid wrote: If it was a single attack, yeah maybe. But it was the largest coordinated and simultaneosly carried into the action terrorists attack in a Western capital city I have ever heard! And not a single act was prevented. It's frightening and something needs to be done asap. please elaborate why something has to be done immediately? how are 120 people critical to a nation of 60 million? i understand that people are under shock but please dont act like animals and give in to your instincts. you have a brain for a reason, use it. | ||
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zdarr
France375 Posts
On November 14 2015 17:32 WhiteDog wrote: Last tuesday I was in class talking to kids who had 16 years old. I asked them when was it that they had to take the photo of the class. A girl said to me that it is scheduled for next tuesday and said that she will "bring a flag with her". I asked which flag ? She responded "algerian flag of course". Why not the french flag ? I responded to her. "You're french, in a french school". She answered "don't tell me that I'm french it's an insult". Yeah something has gone wrong. Let's not mix everything up, you don't have to love france to abstain killing people. Let's not start again with those racists witch hunts "who doesnt sing the french anthem" and "who doesnt love our flag"... | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On November 14 2015 17:44 zdarr wrote: Let's not mix everything up, you don't have to love france to abstain killing people. Let's not start again with those racists witch hunts "who doesnt sing the french anthem" and "who doesnt love our flag"... Your response is stupid because you're reading things I did not write. How about staying true to words ? I was responding to a point made by others that if people feel hate towards the society they live, "something has gone seriously wrong". I am not at all claiming that we need to witch hunts for people who doesn't love our flag or do not sing the national anthem. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
On November 14 2015 17:44 hfglgg wrote: please elaborate why something has to be done immediately? how are 120 people critical to a nation of 60 million? i understand that people are under shock but please dont act like animals and give in to your instincts. you have a brain for a reason, use it. Such events can happen in theory ONLY if there is an immense security breach. If you aren't going to fix it, well, malice doers will abuse it again. It's exactly what happened: Charlie Hebdo shootings were left unandressed and now within the mere 8 months timeframe the scale has risen tremendously. 8 armed people killed 1 | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
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Cuce
Turkey1127 Posts
On November 14 2015 17:39 WhiteDog wrote: I asked her why, she said that she had the french passeport, but was not french but algerian. Then other kids said that it was stupid to say that it was "an insult", that it was disrespectful, she defended herself saying that she meant nothing negative just that it was a fact that she did not consider herself as french. It is a common occurence, it is not the majority of the kids - the huge majority are french and would never say that - but it is a reality for at least one kid per classes. well having an elgerian hertage might be the reason too. I young person might feel some bad blood between algerie and france. Some national grievances are not easy to overcome at that ages. | ||
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hfglgg
Germany5372 Posts
On November 14 2015 17:59 ForTehDarkseid wrote: Such events can happen in theory ONLY if there is an immense security breach. If you aren't going to fix it, well, malice doers will abuse it again. It's exactly what happened: Charlie Hebdo shootings were left unandressed and now within the mere 8 months timeframe the scale has risen tremendously. 8 armed people killed 140 civilans and left more than 200 harmed. I don't care about police state more than I care about innocent lives. more people die for other reasons and societies are large and they can withstand that easily without a drop in quality of life. there is no complete safety and people should realise that. we can die for some stupid reason at any time of any given day and there is nothing we can do about it. we can try to minimize it here and there but in the end everytime we do that it costs us a bit of the comfort we are used to. we trade lifes for comfort, thats what we do everywhere. in germany we have no speed limits on highways and people die because of that but we are fine with it because driving fast is fun. in america people die because guns are readily available and thats fine because shooting for recreational purposes is fun. stop making such a big deal out of people dieing, its the most normal thing in the world. if you really want those things to not happen, than there are better ways to do it that dont reslove around abolishing everything we stand for. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6336 Posts
On November 14 2015 17:44 zdarr wrote: Let's not mix everything up, you don't have to love france to abstain killing people. Let's not start again with those racists witch hunts "who doesnt sing the french anthem" and "who doesnt love our flag"... I think you are missing the point here, there is something very wrong with the culture of certain parts of the muslim community in France. This is a muslim problem, just like how christians going around assassinating people because the pope called for a 5th crusade would be a christian problem. Muslims need to go into full inquisition mode against radical elements of their communities not sit around making excuses and playing victims. Excommunicate people that call for jihad,l ban them from mosques, ostracize them, the women need to hate them, muslims need to hate terrorists with every fiber of their being. Nobody can fix this problem for them, spend a few years taking out your own trash and the results will be there. If it takes publicly shaming religious figures, putting them in jail, so be it. These animals are bringing shame to an entire religion and need to be weeded out by their own. Anyone that 'loves' islam so much that they would blow themselves up certainly cares about being a be part of a muslim community. That community needs to make life a living hell for anyone thinking about blowing themselves up | ||
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maartendq
Belgium3115 Posts
I can't help but feel that it's even more horrifying that attacks like this will just boost extreme right parties all over Europe, especially if this turns out to be another muslim terrorist attack. | ||
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jahnesta
France62 Posts
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
I wish people gonna cut off religions as soon as possible, so eventually we're gonna have 95% less reasons to act like terrorists  | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
On November 14 2015 18:15 hfglgg wrote: more people die for other reasons and societies are large and they can withstand that easily without a drop in quality of life. there is no complete safety and people should realise that. we can die for some stupid reason at any time of any given day and there is nothing we can do about it. we can try to minimize it here and there but in the end everytime we do that it costs us a bit of the comfort we are used to. we trade lifes for comfort, thats what we do everywhere. in germany we have no speed limits on highways and people die because of that but we are fine with it because driving fast is fun. in america people die because guns are readily available and thats fine because shooting for recreational purposes is fun. stop making such a big deal out of people dieing, its the most normal thing in the world. if you really want those things to not happen, than there are better ways to do it that dont reslove around abolishing everything we stand for. Your analogues are plain wrong. road fatalities and gun shootings don't affect economical and political situation in a country and are nothing but a statistical fluctuation, while acts of terror are huge external shocks which spread the negative effects light-fast. If you don't deal with it publicly, the social tensions would escalate and lead into more casualties and losses. Terrorism is an international riffle effect, which manipulates people in all countries by anxiety, rage and fear and it's hellishly cost-efficient way of waging war against the goverment. TL;DR: The economic damage doesn't correlate with the number of casualties, but rather with the scale of the action itself. | ||
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