Shootings and Casualties in Central Paris - Page 47

On November 14 2015 15:02 DeepElemBlues wrote:
What's worked in the past has been completely overwhelming the guerrilla force which usually takes a while and involves killing lots of people (most of whom had nothing to do with the guerrillas), like the Soviets in the Ukraine in the 1920s (and again after WW2), or getting the locals on your side so they inform on the guerrillas to you and don't give them supplies or shelter. The guerrillas show up and want food and to stay the night and the village people tell them to screw off and start shooting or come running for you. They give up (or you give up) and a political accommodation is reached.

It's a global guerrilla force that is attacking the West and just about everybody else. The locals supporting them could be anything, from a youtube channel with radical videos turning young men nutso, to a mosque controlled by radicals turning young men nutso, to a Saudi noble pumping millions into radical schools or giving loads of cash to a contact knowing it will be used for terrorism, to a Pakistani intelligence agent running money and guns to a Taliban faction, to an entire government like Iran with Hezbollah, to a Western-"friendly" government that dumps huge amounts of anti-semitic and anti-western propaganda into the national media and political and popular and religious culture to keep people distracted from how crappy their government is (which happens to varying degrees in almost all Islamic countries).

Any strategy against this kind of ideology - basically, they say that there was a glory age wherein "true" Islam was practiced that has been strayed from and the situation is so bad we have to kill the Westerners and Jews and traitors that made it that way, or that those people are preventing "true" Islam from spreading its glorious bounty over Muslim countries/the world - has to defeat a lot of misinformation that people believe that makes them receptive to the guy who says kill all these people and things will be better in the first place. The common people in a lot of Muslim countries have been subjected to decades of indoctrination intended to make them suspicious and hateful of foreigners and heretics and alleged threats to their religion. It wasn't Nasser's or Egypt's or anybody Arab or Muslim's fault that Israel kicked his butt twice in 1956 or 1967, it was those sneaky Jews and their American backers and it wasn't a fair fight. The West has no morals and wants to destroy the morals of our Islamic culture to make money because they're controlled by greedy Jews and are quite greedy and lacking in morals themselves anyway. Not all Arab or Muslim countries have that kind of stuff occupying a large part of their culture but a lot do and have for a long time. Kind of makes it easy to recruit for terrorism which the dictators were too short-sighted to see, or to see that the terrorists would aim at them too.

It's going to take a lot of effort and a long time to reverse the attitudes about foreigners and particularly Westerners that have been reinforced by widespread and prolonged circulation of anti-Western stereotypes, stories, myths, rumors, etc. And when the West does do something dumb or bad it's just confirmation of all the accusations that really are crazy to the type of people who wind up becoming terrorists.

On November 14 2015 15:02 DeepElemBlues wrote:
What's worked in the past has been completely overwhelming the guerrilla force which usually takes a while and involves killing lots of people (most of whom had nothing to do with the guerrillas), like the Soviets in the Ukraine in the 1920s (and again after WW2), or getting the locals on your side so they inform on the guerrillas to you and don't give them supplies or shelter. The guerrillas show up and want food and to stay the night and the village people tell them to screw off and start shooting or come running for you. They give up (or you give up) and a political accommodation is reached.

It's a global guerrilla force that is attacking the West and just about everybody else. The locals supporting them could be anything, from a youtube channel with radical videos turning young men nutso, to a mosque controlled by radicals turning young men nutso, to a Saudi noble pumping millions into radical schools or giving loads of cash to a contact knowing it will be used for terrorism, to a Pakistani intelligence agent running money and guns to a Taliban faction, to an entire government like Iran with Hezbollah, to a Western-"friendly" government that dumps huge amounts of anti-semitic and anti-western propaganda into the national media and political and popular and religious culture to keep people distracted from how crappy their government is (which happens to varying degrees in almost all Islamic countries).

Any strategy against this kind of ideology - basically, they say that there was a glory age wherein "true" Islam was practiced that has been strayed from and the situation is so bad we have to kill the Westerners and Jews and traitors that made it that way, or that those people are preventing "true" Islam from spreading its glorious bounty over Muslim countries/the world - has to defeat a lot of misinformation that people believe that makes them receptive to the guy who says kill all these people and things will be better in the first place. The common people in a lot of Muslim countries have been subjected to decades of indoctrination intended to make them suspicious and hateful of foreigners and heretics and alleged threats to their religion. It wasn't Nasser's or Egypt's or anybody Arab or Muslim's fault that Israel kicked his butt twice in 1956 or 1967, it was those sneaky Jews and their American backers and it wasn't a fair fight. The West has no morals and wants to destroy the morals of our Islamic culture to make money because they're controlled by greedy Jews and are quite greedy and lacking in morals themselves anyway. Not all Arab or Muslim countries have that kind of stuff occupying a large part of their culture but a lot do and have for a long time. Kind of makes it easy to recruit for terrorism which the dictators were too short-sighted to see, or to see that the terrorists would aim at them too.

It's going to take a lot of effort and a long time to reverse the attitudes about foreigners and particularly Westerners that have been reinforced by widespread and prolonged circulation of anti-Western stereotypes, stories, myths, rumors, etc. And when the West does do something dumb or bad it's just confirmation of all the accusations that really are crazy to the type of people who wind up becoming terrorists.

On November 14 2015 16:58 Furikawari wrote:
Let's not be confused here, there is a high probability that they are people born and raised in France. It's a multi layered problem: how this population feels like they are mistreaten here (and somehow they are) and how some extremist build on this feeling to bring this shit.