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Witness in the Bataclan heard a terrorist saying : "It's your fault, it's Hollande's fault, he didn't have to fight in Syria and Iraq"
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Northern Ireland22212 Posts
On November 14 2015 10:38 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 10:37 ZeroChrome wrote:On November 14 2015 10:35 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 10:32 DickMcFanny wrote:On November 14 2015 10:25 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 10:18 DickMcFanny wrote:On November 14 2015 10:16 Spaylz wrote:
Frenchie currently living in Australia. Hear this as I wake up. My day is ruined.
I hope they kill all of them. You can't kill Islam. The problem is not islam at all. We can keep telling ourselves that until we all live in one big, happy caliphate. In the meanwhile, we're just Chamberlaining around and count ourselves lucky not to be jew, women or gays. Religion does not comes from nowhere. The problem is the inability of our countries to integrate its people, due to the lack of work, the lack of solidarity and the lack of meaning. That some find solace in the practice of a religion and that a minority within the minority interpret this religion in a violent manner is not the reason but merely the effect of our problems. They may not be directly causing violence but the majority of muslims in the world support sharia law, which is still a problem. It's not happening in the world but in France. It is a french problem, not a world issue.
hahhaahahaha, i hope to god im wrong, but this kind of thing is going to happen throughout europe
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France12920 Posts
On November 14 2015 10:40 Boucot wrote:
Witness in the Bataclan heard a terrorist saying : "It's your fault, it's Hollande's fault, he didn't have to fight in Syria and Iraq"
Braindead people
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On November 14 2015 10:38 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 10:37 ZeroChrome wrote:On November 14 2015 10:35 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 10:32 DickMcFanny wrote:On November 14 2015 10:25 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 10:18 DickMcFanny wrote:On November 14 2015 10:16 Spaylz wrote:
Frenchie currently living in Australia. Hear this as I wake up. My day is ruined.
I hope they kill all of them. You can't kill Islam. The problem is not islam at all. We can keep telling ourselves that until we all live in one big, happy caliphate. In the meanwhile, we're just Chamberlaining around and count ourselves lucky not to be jew, women or gays. Religion does not comes from nowhere. The problem is the inability of our countries to integrate its people, due to the lack of work, the lack of solidarity and the lack of meaning. That some find solace in the practice of a religion and that a minority within the minority interpret this religion in a violent manner is not the reason but merely the effect of our problems. They may not be directly causing violence but the majority of muslims in the world support sharia law, which is still a problem. It's not happening in the world but in France. It is a french problem, not a world issue.
? In what universe is this kind of stuff not a major world issue?
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It will be the biggest problem in the coming weeks everybody will start projecting like crazy. It's Islam, it's security, political consequences will be demanded but at the end of the day you can't really stop this. You can basically just mourn and move on, there's really no other way to combat terrorism.
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On November 14 2015 10:36 rednusa wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 10:32 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
This seems to be a good time to point to moderate Islam to be louder that hate but also boycott Saudi Wahhabism whether it's the Mosque they build or charities they start. And of course Secular education doesn't hurt either. Can we afford to boycott Wahhabi oil?
Why do you think Oil is so low price. Domestic production is up especially in the US forcing Saudi to keep the price low in hopes of ending such operations.
Then there is always renewables.
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On November 14 2015 10:39 Aocowns wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 10:38 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 10:37 ZeroChrome wrote:On November 14 2015 10:35 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 10:32 DickMcFanny wrote:On November 14 2015 10:25 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 10:18 DickMcFanny wrote:On November 14 2015 10:16 Spaylz wrote:
Frenchie currently living in Australia. Hear this as I wake up. My day is ruined.
I hope they kill all of them. You can't kill Islam. The problem is not islam at all. We can keep telling ourselves that until we all live in one big, happy caliphate. In the meanwhile, we're just Chamberlaining around and count ourselves lucky not to be jew, women or gays. Religion does not comes from nowhere. The problem is the inability of our countries to integrate its people, due to the lack of work, the lack of solidarity and the lack of meaning. That some find solace in the practice of a religion and that a minority within the minority interpret this religion in a violent manner is not the reason but merely the effect of our problems. They may not be directly causing violence but the majority of muslims in the world support sharia law, which is still a problem. It's not happening in the world but in France. It is a french problem, not a world issue. Oh boy, the people of the world must be so pleased to hear that Islamic-sourced terrorism is a french phenomenon
Well Islamic sourced terrorism is a world affair, maybe, much like communism had universal impact, but the shape it take greatly changed from one country to another. There's more people going to syria from france and belgium than from any other country in the world, and most likely the people who did those attacks were french, like the Kouachi brothers and Coulibaly before them.
The solutions are not abroad, fighting against some interpretation of a religion in a country far away, but here in France, that's my point.
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On November 14 2015 07:47 Makro wrote:
today is gonna be a day of festivity in seine saint denis
Could you stop this hate ?
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On November 14 2015 10:44 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 10:39 Aocowns wrote:On November 14 2015 10:38 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 10:37 ZeroChrome wrote:On November 14 2015 10:35 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 10:32 DickMcFanny wrote:On November 14 2015 10:25 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 10:18 DickMcFanny wrote:On November 14 2015 10:16 Spaylz wrote:
Frenchie currently living in Australia. Hear this as I wake up. My day is ruined.
I hope they kill all of them. You can't kill Islam. The problem is not islam at all. We can keep telling ourselves that until we all live in one big, happy caliphate. In the meanwhile, we're just Chamberlaining around and count ourselves lucky not to be jew, women or gays. Religion does not comes from nowhere. The problem is the inability of our countries to integrate its people, due to the lack of work, the lack of solidarity and the lack of meaning. That some find solace in the practice of a religion and that a minority within the minority interpret this religion in a violent manner is not the reason but merely the effect of our problems. They may not be directly causing violence but the majority of muslims in the world support sharia law, which is still a problem. It's not happening in the world but in France. It is a french problem, not a world issue. Oh boy, the people of the world must be so pleased to hear that Islamic-sourced terrorism is a french phenomenon Well Islamic sourced terrorism is a world affair, maybe, much like communism had universal impact, but the shape it take greatly changed from one country to another. There has been no terrorist attack in Russia, there's more people going to syria from france and belgium than from any other country in the world, and most likely the people who did those attacks were french, like the Kouachi brothers and Coulibaly before them.
With what tribalistic community did all those identify with again?
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On November 14 2015 10:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 10:36 rednusa wrote:On November 14 2015 10:32 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
This seems to be a good time to point to moderate Islam to be louder that hate but also boycott Saudi Wahhabism whether it's the Mosque they build or charities they start. And of course Secular education doesn't hurt either. Can we afford to boycott Wahhabi oil? Why do you think Oil is so low price. Domestic production is up especially in the US forcing Saudi to keep the price low in hopes of ending such operations. Then there is always renewables.
Yes, flex-fuel cars make it possible to run on any kind of fuel, removing the west's dependence on Saudi oil, which will encourage the liberalization/secularization of the region. So the future should eventually work out.
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On November 14 2015 09:23 DickMcFanny wrote:
I actually got warned for assuming this was Muslim terrorism. This is absurd.
you're a bigot because you have no understanding of Islam. This is absurd.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
if these guys were returnees from isis internships chances are french intelligence should have info on them. but they did not or were held off from taking actions.
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France7248 Posts
On November 14 2015 10:25 Boucot wrote:
Apparently 4 policemen were killed during the assault of the Bataclan. The terrorists had explosive belts and triggered them when the police entered.
wrong, no policemen were killed, 1 was wounded. the prefect said there was 4 victims, those were the terrorists
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On November 14 2015 10:47 Aocowns wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 10:44 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 10:39 Aocowns wrote:On November 14 2015 10:38 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 10:37 ZeroChrome wrote:On November 14 2015 10:35 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 10:32 DickMcFanny wrote:On November 14 2015 10:25 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 10:18 DickMcFanny wrote:On November 14 2015 10:16 Spaylz wrote:
Frenchie currently living in Australia. Hear this as I wake up. My day is ruined.
I hope they kill all of them. You can't kill Islam. The problem is not islam at all. We can keep telling ourselves that until we all live in one big, happy caliphate. In the meanwhile, we're just Chamberlaining around and count ourselves lucky not to be jew, women or gays. Religion does not comes from nowhere. The problem is the inability of our countries to integrate its people, due to the lack of work, the lack of solidarity and the lack of meaning. That some find solace in the practice of a religion and that a minority within the minority interpret this religion in a violent manner is not the reason but merely the effect of our problems. They may not be directly causing violence but the majority of muslims in the world support sharia law, which is still a problem. It's not happening in the world but in France. It is a french problem, not a world issue. Oh boy, the people of the world must be so pleased to hear that Islamic-sourced terrorism is a french phenomenon Well Islamic sourced terrorism is a world affair, maybe, much like communism had universal impact, but the shape it take greatly changed from one country to another. There has been no terrorist attack in Russia, there's more people going to syria from france and belgium than from any other country in the world, and most likely the people who did those attacks were french, like the Kouachi brothers and Coulibaly before them. With what tribalistic community did all those identify with again?
I will respond with another question : Why do they identify as they do ?
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On November 14 2015 10:44 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 10:39 Aocowns wrote:On November 14 2015 10:38 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 10:37 ZeroChrome wrote:On November 14 2015 10:35 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 10:32 DickMcFanny wrote:On November 14 2015 10:25 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 10:18 DickMcFanny wrote:On November 14 2015 10:16 Spaylz wrote:
Frenchie currently living in Australia. Hear this as I wake up. My day is ruined.
I hope they kill all of them. You can't kill Islam. The problem is not islam at all. We can keep telling ourselves that until we all live in one big, happy caliphate. In the meanwhile, we're just Chamberlaining around and count ourselves lucky not to be jew, women or gays. Religion does not comes from nowhere. The problem is the inability of our countries to integrate its people, due to the lack of work, the lack of solidarity and the lack of meaning. That some find solace in the practice of a religion and that a minority within the minority interpret this religion in a violent manner is not the reason but merely the effect of our problems. They may not be directly causing violence but the majority of muslims in the world support sharia law, which is still a problem. It's not happening in the world but in France. It is a french problem, not a world issue. Oh boy, the people of the world must be so pleased to hear that Islamic-sourced terrorism is a french phenomenon Well Islamic sourced terrorism is a world affair, maybe, much like communism had universal impact, but the shape it take greatly changed from one country to another. There's more people going to syria from france and belgium than from any other country in the world, and most likely the people who did those attacks were french, like the Kouachi brothers and Coulibaly before them. The solutions are not abroad, fighting against some interpretation of a religion in a country far away, but here in France, that's my point.
I suppose I'd agree with the sentiment that you can't stop this by removing Islam from the world. Or well you could, but it would be very drastic. But to say that the current Islam does not at all pose a global problem whatsoever is ridiculous to me
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On November 14 2015 10:50 Aocowns wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 10:44 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 10:39 Aocowns wrote:On November 14 2015 10:38 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 10:37 ZeroChrome wrote:On November 14 2015 10:35 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 10:32 DickMcFanny wrote:On November 14 2015 10:25 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 10:18 DickMcFanny wrote:On November 14 2015 10:16 Spaylz wrote:
Frenchie currently living in Australia. Hear this as I wake up. My day is ruined.
I hope they kill all of them. You can't kill Islam. The problem is not islam at all. We can keep telling ourselves that until we all live in one big, happy caliphate. In the meanwhile, we're just Chamberlaining around and count ourselves lucky not to be jew, women or gays. Religion does not comes from nowhere. The problem is the inability of our countries to integrate its people, due to the lack of work, the lack of solidarity and the lack of meaning. That some find solace in the practice of a religion and that a minority within the minority interpret this religion in a violent manner is not the reason but merely the effect of our problems. They may not be directly causing violence but the majority of muslims in the world support sharia law, which is still a problem. It's not happening in the world but in France. It is a french problem, not a world issue. Oh boy, the people of the world must be so pleased to hear that Islamic-sourced terrorism is a french phenomenon Well Islamic sourced terrorism is a world affair, maybe, much like communism had universal impact, but the shape it take greatly changed from one country to another. There's more people going to syria from france and belgium than from any other country in the world, and most likely the people who did those attacks were french, like the Kouachi brothers and Coulibaly before them. The solutions are not abroad, fighting against some interpretation of a religion in a country far away, but here in France, that's my point. I suppose I'd agree with the sentiment that you can't stop this by removing Islam from the world. Or well you could, but it would be very drastic. But to say that the current Islam does not at all pose a global problem whatsoever is ridiculous to me
Careful when you say stuff like that, you run the risk of angering people like Aocowns, who said:
On November 14 2015 10:28 Aocowns wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 10:25 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 10:18 DickMcFanny wrote:On November 14 2015 10:16 Spaylz wrote:
Frenchie currently living in Australia. Hear this as I wake up. My day is ruined.
I hope they kill all of them. You can't kill Islam. The problem is not islam at all. By the way micronesia you warned me but I never argued that muslim are responsible for the situation, I just stated a fact that there is an important muslim population in France. eh, is it the time and place to argue Islam's position in this right now? I mean it's debated to death and leads to hostility
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On November 14 2015 10:49 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 10:47 Aocowns wrote:On November 14 2015 10:44 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 10:39 Aocowns wrote:On November 14 2015 10:38 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 10:37 ZeroChrome wrote:On November 14 2015 10:35 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 10:32 DickMcFanny wrote:On November 14 2015 10:25 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 10:18 DickMcFanny wrote:
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You can't kill Islam. The problem is not islam at all. We can keep telling ourselves that until we all live in one big, happy caliphate. In the meanwhile, we're just Chamberlaining around and count ourselves lucky not to be jew, women or gays. Religion does not comes from nowhere. The problem is the inability of our countries to integrate its people, due to the lack of work, the lack of solidarity and the lack of meaning. That some find solace in the practice of a religion and that a minority within the minority interpret this religion in a violent manner is not the reason but merely the effect of our problems. They may not be directly causing violence but the majority of muslims in the world support sharia law, which is still a problem. It's not happening in the world but in France. It is a french problem, not a world issue. Oh boy, the people of the world must be so pleased to hear that Islamic-sourced terrorism is a french phenomenon Well Islamic sourced terrorism is a world affair, maybe, much like communism had universal impact, but the shape it take greatly changed from one country to another. There has been no terrorist attack in Russia, there's more people going to syria from france and belgium than from any other country in the world, and most likely the people who did those attacks were french, like the Kouachi brothers and Coulibaly before them. With what tribalistic community did all those identify with again? I will respond with another question : Why do they identify as they do ?
Maybe because they are muslims
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On November 14 2015 10:51 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 10:50 Aocowns wrote:On November 14 2015 10:44 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 10:39 Aocowns wrote:On November 14 2015 10:38 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 10:37 ZeroChrome wrote:On November 14 2015 10:35 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 10:32 DickMcFanny wrote:On November 14 2015 10:25 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 10:18 DickMcFanny wrote:
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You can't kill Islam. The problem is not islam at all. We can keep telling ourselves that until we all live in one big, happy caliphate. In the meanwhile, we're just Chamberlaining around and count ourselves lucky not to be jew, women or gays. Religion does not comes from nowhere. The problem is the inability of our countries to integrate its people, due to the lack of work, the lack of solidarity and the lack of meaning. That some find solace in the practice of a religion and that a minority within the minority interpret this religion in a violent manner is not the reason but merely the effect of our problems. They may not be directly causing violence but the majority of muslims in the world support sharia law, which is still a problem. It's not happening in the world but in France. It is a french problem, not a world issue. Oh boy, the people of the world must be so pleased to hear that Islamic-sourced terrorism is a french phenomenon Well Islamic sourced terrorism is a world affair, maybe, much like communism had universal impact, but the shape it take greatly changed from one country to another. There's more people going to syria from france and belgium than from any other country in the world, and most likely the people who did those attacks were french, like the Kouachi brothers and Coulibaly before them. The solutions are not abroad, fighting against some interpretation of a religion in a country far away, but here in France, that's my point. I suppose I'd agree with the sentiment that you can't stop this by removing Islam from the world. Or well you could, but it would be very drastic. But to say that the current Islam does not at all pose a global problem whatsoever is ridiculous to me Careful when you say stuff like that, you run the risk of angering people like Aocowns, who said: Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 10:28 Aocowns wrote:On November 14 2015 10:25 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 10:18 DickMcFanny wrote:On November 14 2015 10:16 Spaylz wrote:
Frenchie currently living in Australia. Hear this as I wake up. My day is ruined.
I hope they kill all of them. You can't kill Islam. The problem is not islam at all. By the way micronesia you warned me but I never argued that muslim are responsible for the situation, I just stated a fact that there is an important muslim population in France. eh, is it the time and place to argue Islam's position in this right now? I mean it's debated to death and leads to hostility
rofl yeah, I kinda noticed the discussion went on despite that and I felt like arguing. Don't destroy me too hard please 
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On November 14 2015 10:44 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 10:39 Aocowns wrote:On November 14 2015 10:38 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 10:37 ZeroChrome wrote:On November 14 2015 10:35 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 10:32 DickMcFanny wrote:On November 14 2015 10:25 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 10:18 DickMcFanny wrote:On November 14 2015 10:16 Spaylz wrote:
Frenchie currently living in Australia. Hear this as I wake up. My day is ruined.
I hope they kill all of them. You can't kill Islam. The problem is not islam at all. We can keep telling ourselves that until we all live in one big, happy caliphate. In the meanwhile, we're just Chamberlaining around and count ourselves lucky not to be jew, women or gays. Religion does not comes from nowhere. The problem is the inability of our countries to integrate its people, due to the lack of work, the lack of solidarity and the lack of meaning. That some find solace in the practice of a religion and that a minority within the minority interpret this religion in a violent manner is not the reason but merely the effect of our problems. They may not be directly causing violence but the majority of muslims in the world support sharia law, which is still a problem. It's not happening in the world but in France. It is a french problem, not a world issue. Oh boy, the people of the world must be so pleased to hear that Islamic-sourced terrorism is a french phenomenon Well Islamic sourced terrorism is a world affair, maybe, much like communism had universal impact, but the shape it take greatly changed from one country to another. There's more people going to syria from france and belgium than from any other country in the world, and most likely the people who did those attacks were french, like the Kouachi brothers and Coulibaly before them. The solutions are not abroad, fighting against some interpretation of a religion in a country far away, but here in France, that's my point.
Well islamist extremism is more common among ethnic Arabs than for example Turks. And France obviously has a lot of the former while Germany has a lot of the latter. So I would not blame France per se for this. It is simply a matter of demography that makes this more likely in France.
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On November 14 2015 10:50 Aocowns wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 10:44 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 10:39 Aocowns wrote:On November 14 2015 10:38 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 10:37 ZeroChrome wrote:On November 14 2015 10:35 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 10:32 DickMcFanny wrote:On November 14 2015 10:25 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 10:18 DickMcFanny wrote:On November 14 2015 10:16 Spaylz wrote:
Frenchie currently living in Australia. Hear this as I wake up. My day is ruined.
I hope they kill all of them. You can't kill Islam. The problem is not islam at all. We can keep telling ourselves that until we all live in one big, happy caliphate. In the meanwhile, we're just Chamberlaining around and count ourselves lucky not to be jew, women or gays. Religion does not comes from nowhere. The problem is the inability of our countries to integrate its people, due to the lack of work, the lack of solidarity and the lack of meaning. That some find solace in the practice of a religion and that a minority within the minority interpret this religion in a violent manner is not the reason but merely the effect of our problems. They may not be directly causing violence but the majority of muslims in the world support sharia law, which is still a problem. It's not happening in the world but in France. It is a french problem, not a world issue. Oh boy, the people of the world must be so pleased to hear that Islamic-sourced terrorism is a french phenomenon Well Islamic sourced terrorism is a world affair, maybe, much like communism had universal impact, but the shape it take greatly changed from one country to another. There's more people going to syria from france and belgium than from any other country in the world, and most likely the people who did those attacks were french, like the Kouachi brothers and Coulibaly before them. The solutions are not abroad, fighting against some interpretation of a religion in a country far away, but here in France, that's my point. I suppose I'd agree with the sentiment that you can't stop this by removing Islam from the world. Or well you could, but it would be very drastic. But to say that the current Islam does not at all pose a global problem whatsoever is ridiculous to me
How can you remove an ideology? It's not a physical being......it's impossible.
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