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Katowice25012 Posts
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A truly historic event in an age where perhaps too many acts called as such, today the American Supreme Court ruled that same-sex marriage is a constitutional right, making it legal across all 50 states and knocking down state bans country-wide. You can find the full text of the ruling here which includes a link to Obama’s statement regarding the decision.
Other countries where it’s been legalized since last year’s TL pride week:- Ireland voted to legalize it on May 20, no date set for when it will be passed into law.
- Luxembourg legalized it on January 1st.
- Scotland legalized it on December 16th.
- The Finnish parliament passed a bill on 12th December which was signed by the President on the 20th of February and the law will take effect on March 1st 2017.
The TeamLiquid community has always strived to provide an inclusive place for people of all genders, beliefs, ethnicities, and sexualities to share their passion for games and the competitive scenes around them. We always aim to reduce hate speech and harassment in-game and look to a future of acceptance and equality. Part of the joy of games is that it separates us from physical and cultural borders, giving us an opportunity to play together. We are all equal on the field of play, and maybe we should all be equal off it too.
With that we hope you all want to join us in celebrating the diversity of our community, and the progress towards equality in the world around us.
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Hell yes! I know that not everyone on TL is American but regardless of where you live, I think everyone can appreciate the fact that so many people finally gained the respect they deserve today! And I think everyone can admire the resolve of those who fought to get to this point.
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2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
It's nice to see the many esports organizations embrace this milestone.
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I will join in the celebration of Rainbow Tide Hunter and marriage rights for all.
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TLADT24920 Posts
Good stuff! Equality for all! :D
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What a time to be alive in the US. I was alive for the first black president AND the legalization of same-sex marriage. 50 years ago neither would have seemed plausible.
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On June 27 2015 04:43 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:
What a time to be alive in the US. I was alive for the first black president AND the legalization of same-sex marriage. 50 years ago neither would have seemed plausible.
Apparently he just broke out in Amazing Grace during the eulogy and knocked it out of the park. The man is having a good week.
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On June 27 2015 04:39 Plansix wrote:
I will join in the celebration of Rainbow Tide Hunter and marriage rights for all.
AKA PrideHunter
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Good news are always good. #LoveWins
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Would buy, somebody get on this.
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This will be good hehe. Cant wait to see more of the Westboro Baptist church.
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I remember there was a super handsome gay man on TL long ago.. his name was Mora or something like that...
can we look at his picture again that guy was so handsome
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uh, even an official post. guess its fitting due to the circumstances.
any reason why the LL horse still looks boring?
anyway, wish that more european countries would follow.
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On June 27 2015 08:28 Paljas wrote:
uh, even an official post. guess its fitting due to the circumstances.
any reason why the LL horse still looks boring?
anyway, wish that more european countries would follow.
LiquidLegends doesn't like equality.
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Mostly because we can't find a way to do it that looks nice, still working on it.
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On June 27 2015 08:34 Lonyo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2015 08:28 Paljas wrote:
uh, even an official post. guess its fitting due to the circumstances.
any reason why the LL horse still looks boring?
anyway, wish that more european countries would follow.
LiquidLegends doesn't like equality.
Taking all the moba players >=(
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Mexico2170 Posts
I certainly like that TL rainbow logo. And it's cool that people are able to marry in in yet another country without needing to worry about the gender. I'm not gay but I sure find it cool that people are able to do whatever they want with their lives without arbitrary desicions.
But..I fail to realize how this is a "truly historical event" for anyone that isn't in the US. It may be if it was the first time it is legalized in a country but it isn't.
Either way I applaud the organization stance on it. Since TL is all abut equality I also hope they treat this topic equally, with the same importance, when other countries make it legal too. 
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Anyway to see that on mobile site?
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But..I fail to realize how this is a "truly historical event" for anyone that isn't in the US. It may be if it was the first time it is legalized in a country but it isn't.
Because I've talked to a few friends abroad (i.e. Aussie) and they have said that due to certain legal movements in the US gaining ground, and he was talking specifically about marijuana at the time, that their governments are starting to overturn certain laws and prohibitions that previously would've been taboo.
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On June 27 2015 09:29 [Phantom] wrote:
But..I fail to realize how this is a "truly historical event" for anyone that isn't in the US. It may be if it was the first time it is legalized in a country but it isn't.
Some people think it's the center of the world, so that's that.
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I just came home from a pride party (I'm pretty miserable from it, but that's a whole 'nother can of worms) and saw this when I loaded up my trusty home page. Thanks, TL, I appreciate it!
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Loving the rainbow Tidehunter!
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Gay marriage legalised for almost more than a decade in some countries in Europe: no-one bats an eye. Gay marriage legalised in the US: a historical event that will change the very course of history!
What's with the rainbow manes of the horse by the way? I though this was a website on Starcraft 2, not (another) vehicle for LGBT activists or activism. What is it with this obsession with sexual orientation on the Internet nowadays? Why is it necessary to drag sexual orientation into everything?
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On June 27 2015 16:35 maartendq wrote:
Gay marriage legalised for almost more than a decade in some countries in Europe: no-one bats an eye. Gay marriage legalised in the US: a historical event that will change the very course of history!
What's with the rainbow manes of the horse by the way? I though this was a website on Starcraft 2, not (another) vehicle for LGBT activists or activism. What is it with this obsession with sexual orientation on the Internet nowadays? Why is it necessary to drag sexual orientation into everything?
Many StarCraft players are queer and a huge part of the community and it is not unreasonable that TL would advertise that they are accepting of people of such identities and that they would do what they can to make them part of their community. The gay rights movement is in its endgame and the outcome is inevitable, but it doesn't meant that support should not be discouraged, even if it may seem redundant especially for those in some Western European countries.
Now, if TL became a bastion for liberal, left-wing, or nationalist politics, that would be very unacceptable.
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On June 27 2015 16:52 Shiragaku wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2015 16:35 maartendq wrote:
Gay marriage legalised for almost more than a decade in some countries in Europe: no-one bats an eye. Gay marriage legalised in the US: a historical event that will change the very course of history!
What's with the rainbow manes of the horse by the way? I though this was a website on Starcraft 2, not (another) vehicle for LGBT activists or activism. What is it with this obsession with sexual orientation on the Internet nowadays? Why is it necessary to drag sexual orientation into everything? Many StarCraft players are queer and a huge part of the community and it is not unreasonable that TL would advertise that they are accepting of people of such identities and that they would do what they can to make them part of their community. The gay rights movement is in its endgame and the outcome is inevitable, but it doesn't meant that support should not be discouraged, even if it may seem redundant especially for those in some Western European countries. Now, if TL became a bastion for liberal, left-wing, or nationalist politics, that would be very unacceptable.
I don't think it's just about LGBT issues or the gaming community. Pretty sure if gender or race were as big social issues (even if it didn't affect much of the gaming communities or all western countries) we'd see a pink horse to draw attention to women's suffrage or something similar for race. The point being that TL recognizes a social issue and (for one week) displays support.
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I'm of the "about fucking time" mindset over the "historical landmark event" celebration as well, but the Liquid network is a primarily American-traffic site, so of course American news is going to be a big deal.
Even if much of the world has been rolling their eyes for years.
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On June 27 2015 16:35 maartendq wrote:
Gay marriage legalised for almost more than a decade in some countries in Europe: no-one bats an eye. Gay marriage legalised in the US: a historical event that will change the very course of history!
What's with the rainbow manes of the horse by the way? I though this was a website on Starcraft 2, not (another) vehicle for LGBT activists or activism. What is it with this obsession with sexual orientation on the Internet nowadays? Why is it necessary to drag sexual orientation into everything?
Regarding "obsession with sexual orientation": more like obsession with progress. Discriminating based on sexual orientation is a very backward thing. Granted there are many more idiotic ways to discriminate but sexual orientation was blindingly obvious in how stupid the dscrimination was.
I do hope the world follows by quickly eliminating other discrimination methods too. For fucks sake its 21st century these things should not have to be said.
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On June 27 2015 17:11 WolfintheSheep wrote:
I'm of the "about fucking time" mindset over the "historical landmark event" celebration as well, but the Liquid network is a primarily American-traffic site, so of course American news is going to be a big deal.
Even if much of the world has been rolling their eyes for years.
As in much of the world allows gay marriage? Not really... and it was only like 2 years ago that the amount of people in the world that could legally marry essentially doubled.
Not to mention American states have individually been legalizing it since the early 2000's. This is big news simply because it's officially the law of the entire land, something that can be a little more tricky and time consuming than usual in a nation that highly values individual state rights.
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On June 27 2015 12:56 Shana wrote:
Anyway to see that on mobile site?
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/N4g4A3W.png)
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And I thought this was about lol/dota2/csgo hate.
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I expected this. Why? I watched all seasons of Boston Legal.
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People here are kinda missing the point about it being a historical milestone only because LOL MURICA.
Now I'll be one of the first people to say that Americans can be kinda self centered and all that but this sort of thing is actually a big deal. The United States is a very conservative country and religion has a really big freaking hold on how the general population "views" things and due to that the whole gay marriage thing has been in limbo for much longer than it should have been.
The fact that a decision has finally been reached and that it leaned toward the progressive side of things is something this country pretty badly needs. Some things just need to be put to rest finally.
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Never though i would see this site going political...
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On June 27 2015 19:07 Jayme wrote:
People here are kinda missing the point about it being a historical milestone only because LOL MURICA.
Now I'll be one of the first people to say that Americans can be kinda self centered and all that but this sort of thing is actually a big deal. The United States is a very conservative country and religion has a really big freaking hold on how the general population "views" things and due to that the whole gay marriage thing has been in limbo for much longer than it should have been.
The fact that a decision has finally been reached and that it leaned toward the progressive side of things is something this country pretty badly needs. Some things just need to be put to rest finally.
You're right - haha not to get into a political thing but the country is going through some shit with race right now and there are places in the south taking down confederate stuff - bad relics from the past and this kind of thing being a national decision is like a big symbol for progressive and more forward-thinking ideals .
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Yes it is 'just' America but this is huge - the rest of the developed world where same sex unions are still not legalized will be taking note.
The really interesting part for me is the journey that Americans have had on the issue.
In 1999 62% were against same sex marriage and 35% for.
In 2015 37% were against same sex marriage and 60% for.
SCOTUS just basically reflected reality, and the petulant remarks of Scalia et al show how out of touch they are. The constitution is not written in stone - it is a living, breathing thing to be interpreted according to prevalent social mores.
Besides, why shouldn't gays be allowed to marry and be as miserable as everyone else
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Canada2720 Posts
On June 27 2015 19:24 Leny_1 wrote:
Never though i would see this site going political...
Celebrating equality and condemning discrimination is apolitical.
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Happy TL supports us  The Gay TL thread is pretty big, have an active community here.
Anyway now that gay marriage is legal in all states, should I get married in gas, liquid or solid state?
+ Show Spoiler +shamelessly stolen from reddit
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China6330 Posts
On June 27 2015 19:24 Leny_1 wrote:
Never though i would see this site going political...
Supporting equality has nothing to do with politics and it is something TL has been doing for years.
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On June 27 2015 20:57 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2015 19:24 Leny_1 wrote:
Never though i would see this site going political... Supporting equality has nothing to do with politics and it is something TL has been doing for years.
to some, that is a political thing. like slavery was lol
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On June 27 2015 20:17 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2015 19:24 Leny_1 wrote:
Never though i would see this site going political... Celebrating equality and condemning discrimination is apolitical.
It's subject of political debate and it is 'celebrated' just after court ruling, of course it's political.
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On June 27 2015 21:22 Leny_1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2015 20:17 Radfield wrote:On June 27 2015 19:24 Leny_1 wrote:
Never though i would see this site going political... Celebrating equality and condemning discrimination is apolitical. It's subject of political debate and it is 'celebrated' just after court ruling, of course it's political.
So you think it's coincidence that it happens to be pride week & TL did the same thing last year?
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On June 27 2015 21:07 tshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2015 20:57 digmouse wrote:On June 27 2015 19:24 Leny_1 wrote:
Never though i would see this site going political... Supporting equality has nothing to do with politics and it is something TL has been doing for years. to some, that is a political thing. like slavery was lol
If it wasn't there wouldn't be civil war.
And i think you missing my point. I didn't say it is right or wrong to do so.
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On June 27 2015 04:43 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:
What a time to be alive in the US. I was alive for the first black president AND the legalization of same-sex marriage. 50 years ago neither would have seemed plausible.
Not to mention that you were alive to see economical inequalities coming back at their highest since the mid 20s and to see the highest ratio of incarcerated people ever reach, just to name two facts. What a time to be alive in the US for real...
(Note that France resists quite better to inequality, but is going the same trend, a most of Europe actually. And to be quite honest, it might be the case that USA future is brighter than Europe's one.)
edit : Don't misunderstand me, I'm all in against gender inequalities
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On June 27 2015 09:29 [Phantom] wrote:
But..I fail to realize how this is a "truly historical event" for anyone that isn't in the US. It may be if it was the first time it is legalized in a country but it isn't.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xDH37fKm.jpg)
The U.S.A. has the strongest economy on the planet and other countries tend to look toward it for policy decisions. One of the reasons we have one of the strongest economies is because of how we do things in the legislature, the things that citizens are allowed and not allowed to do, and that sort of thing. So, other countries tend to take after us.
Also, once a precedent is set by whoever-happens-to-be-the-biggest or a peer amongst the biggest and for whatever-reasons-they-set-the-precedent, it makes it much easier for others to do so with somewhere to point to for justification.
Look to illegalizing marijuana as one example of something that America did and a lot of other countries followed.
A similar thing happened with the international conversion to fiat money systems after the U.S.A. did so
".. a series of economic measures taken by United States President Richard Nixon in 1971, including unilaterally canceling the direct convertibility of the United States dollar to gold. Since then, a system of national fiat monies has been used globally, with freely floating exchange rates between the major currencies"
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On June 27 2015 21:29 Leny_1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2015 21:07 tshi wrote:On June 27 2015 20:57 digmouse wrote:On June 27 2015 19:24 Leny_1 wrote:
Never though i would see this site going political... Supporting equality has nothing to do with politics and it is something TL has been doing for years. to some, that is a political thing. like slavery was lol If it wasn't there wouldn't be civil war. And i think you missing my point. I didn't say it is right ot wrong to do so.
Then you just came here to whine for no reason.
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On June 27 2015 21:41 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2015 21:29 Leny_1 wrote:On June 27 2015 21:07 tshi wrote:On June 27 2015 20:57 digmouse wrote:On June 27 2015 19:24 Leny_1 wrote:
Never though i would see this site going political... Supporting equality has nothing to do with politics and it is something TL has been doing for years. to some, that is a political thing. like slavery was lol If it wasn't there wouldn't be civil war. And i think you missing my point. I didn't say it is right ot wrong to do so. Then you just came here to whine for no reason.
Just said i have mixed feeling about esports site mixing into polictics.
And i just didn't 'came here' i read this site since 2005 so please forgive me if make few posts.
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On June 27 2015 21:58 Leny_1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2015 21:41 Plansix wrote:On June 27 2015 21:29 Leny_1 wrote:On June 27 2015 21:07 tshi wrote:On June 27 2015 20:57 digmouse wrote:On June 27 2015 19:24 Leny_1 wrote:
Never though i would see this site going political... Supporting equality has nothing to do with politics and it is something TL has been doing for years. to some, that is a political thing. like slavery was lol If it wasn't there wouldn't be civil war. And i think you missing my point. I didn't say it is right ot wrong to do so. Then you just came here to whine for no reason. Just said i have mixed feeling about esports site mixing into polictics. And i just didn't 'came here' i read this site since 2005 so please forgive me if make few posts.
If you've truly been reading this site since 2005, TL's support for equality would not surprise you, at all.
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The ends never justify the means. A system where the Judicial branch can essentially change laws is fucked.
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On June 28 2015 03:53 Sanders wrote:
The ends never justify the means. A system where the Judicial branch can essentially change laws is fucked.
A system where unconstitutional law cannot be overturned is fucked.
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Still fantastic news. I'm not gay but it still felt like a weight on my back every time I thought about it, the way we keep discriminating against people like this. I've known we were better than that, and I hope it will in time be no big deal, as it should be. It's disappointing feeling like you live in a socially hamstrung society that can't get over the small details, let people love who they want, and treat them all equally for it.
And if you want to argue over this news, or the fact that TL's talking about it, that's really sad. This is big news, but good news nonetheless, don't sour it with your shit.
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A system that was build in the 18th century and cannot be changed is fucked.
change doesn't equal progress but is necessary for it, though how you define progress of course is highly debatable as so many things in life
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On June 27 2015 21:58 Leny_1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2015 21:41 Plansix wrote:On June 27 2015 21:29 Leny_1 wrote:On June 27 2015 21:07 tshi wrote:On June 27 2015 20:57 digmouse wrote:On June 27 2015 19:24 Leny_1 wrote:
Never though i would see this site going political... Supporting equality has nothing to do with politics and it is something TL has been doing for years. to some, that is a political thing. like slavery was lol If it wasn't there wouldn't be civil war. And i think you missing my point. I didn't say it is right ot wrong to do so. Then you just came here to whine for no reason. Just said i have mixed feeling about esports site mixing into polictics. And i just didn't 'came here' i read this site since 2005 so please forgive me if make few posts.
some issues go beyond politics and are a matter of human decency. you are from poland, imagine if this was WW2 and teamliquid was showing support for polish victims of nazi germany? then would you complain that it's "political"?
many lgbt people grow up with family or friends or neighbors who make them feel unwelcome in the world, this is a gesture that validates them and makes them feel welcome. in exchange you have to look at a rainbow and read one thread celebrating gay marriage. i really don't think there is a problem with that
gay people are pro gamers, gay people are esports fans. they are here with us reading the site and enjoying esports with us. this message tells them they are free to share our community and be who they are and that they will be protected from discrimination. maybe that is not important to you, but it is important to them
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On June 27 2015 09:29 [Phantom] wrote:
But..I fail to realize how this is a "truly historical event" for anyone that isn't in the US. It may be if it was the first time it is legalized in a country but it isn't.
But it is. Because above nationality, sexuality, gender, skin color, you name it... is the fact that we're human beings.
That being said, the fact that we're talking about the US does make this bigger news. The US can be very influential and that gives even more momentum to other countries.
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On June 28 2015 06:10 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2015 21:58 Leny_1 wrote:On June 27 2015 21:41 Plansix wrote:On June 27 2015 21:29 Leny_1 wrote:On June 27 2015 21:07 tshi wrote:On June 27 2015 20:57 digmouse wrote:On June 27 2015 19:24 Leny_1 wrote:
Never though i would see this site going political... Supporting equality has nothing to do with politics and it is something TL has been doing for years. to some, that is a political thing. like slavery was lol If it wasn't there wouldn't be civil war. And i think you missing my point. I didn't say it is right ot wrong to do so. Then you just came here to whine for no reason. Just said i have mixed feeling about esports site mixing into polictics. And i just didn't 'came here' i read this site since 2005 so please forgive me if make few posts. some issues go beyond politics and are a matter of human decency. you are from poland, imagine if this was WW2 and teamliquid was showing support for polish victims of nazi germany? then would you complain that it's "political"? many lgbt people grow up with family or friends or neighbors who make them feel unwelcome in the world, this is a gesture that validates them and makes them feel welcome. in exchange you have to look at a rainbow and read one thread celebrating gay marriage. i really don't think there is a problem with that gay people are pro gamers, gay people are esports fans. they are here with us reading the site and enjoying esports with us. this message tells them they are free to share our community and be who they are and that they will be protected from discrimination. maybe that is not important to you, but it is important to them
While i understand what are you trying to say comparing death and terror of war to lack of acceptance in society is beyond ridiculous.
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On June 28 2015 06:10 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2015 21:58 Leny_1 wrote:On June 27 2015 21:41 Plansix wrote:On June 27 2015 21:29 Leny_1 wrote:On June 27 2015 21:07 tshi wrote:On June 27 2015 20:57 digmouse wrote:On June 27 2015 19:24 Leny_1 wrote:
Never though i would see this site going political... Supporting equality has nothing to do with politics and it is something TL has been doing for years. to some, that is a political thing. like slavery was lol If it wasn't there wouldn't be civil war. And i think you missing my point. I didn't say it is right ot wrong to do so. Then you just came here to whine for no reason. Just said i have mixed feeling about esports site mixing into polictics. And i just didn't 'came here' i read this site since 2005 so please forgive me if make few posts. some issues go beyond politics and are a matter of human decency. you are from poland, imagine if this was WW2 and teamliquid was showing support for polish victims of nazi germany? then would you complain that it's "political"?
Well I have not seen TL showing support Palestinians last year. Nor for ebola victims, Lybia, Syria, Afro american homeless guy killed by police, etc . ... So your analogy does not really hold.
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There is always one guy every time pridehunter and rainbow pony appears. One guy talking about "politics" like they are not part of everything. Claiming that they have read TL for a long time and that they are shocked by the rainbows.
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On June 28 2015 07:05 Leny_1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2015 06:10 brickrd wrote:On June 27 2015 21:58 Leny_1 wrote:On June 27 2015 21:41 Plansix wrote:On June 27 2015 21:29 Leny_1 wrote:On June 27 2015 21:07 tshi wrote:On June 27 2015 20:57 digmouse wrote:On June 27 2015 19:24 Leny_1 wrote:
Never though i would see this site going political... Supporting equality has nothing to do with politics and it is something TL has been doing for years. to some, that is a political thing. like slavery was lol If it wasn't there wouldn't be civil war. And i think you missing my point. I didn't say it is right ot wrong to do so. Then you just came here to whine for no reason. Just said i have mixed feeling about esports site mixing into polictics. And i just didn't 'came here' i read this site since 2005 so please forgive me if make few posts. some issues go beyond politics and are a matter of human decency. you are from poland, imagine if this was WW2 and teamliquid was showing support for polish victims of nazi germany? then would you complain that it's "political"? many lgbt people grow up with family or friends or neighbors who make them feel unwelcome in the world, this is a gesture that validates them and makes them feel welcome. in exchange you have to look at a rainbow and read one thread celebrating gay marriage. i really don't think there is a problem with that gay people are pro gamers, gay people are esports fans. they are here with us reading the site and enjoying esports with us. this message tells them they are free to share our community and be who they are and that they will be protected from discrimination. maybe that is not important to you, but it is important to them While i understand what are you trying to say comparing death and terror of war to lack of acceptance in society is beyond ridiculous.
I don't see where he makes that comparison, he's comparing perspectives on the event, not the events themselves. You just seem to be here complaining because TeamLiquid has decided to do something you're not interested in, but it's nothing new. They have always been staunch supporters of equality, especially when it comes to the lgbt spectrum, to start an argument over that is ridiculous. I would fankly be less surprised if people made a fuss, if TL said nothing this year.
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