EPT2015 Vehicle Quality Study by JD Power - Page 3
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StatixEx
United Kingdom779 Posts
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On July 17 2015 00:59 Salazarz wrote: If your family hated their first Elantra so much, why the fuck would they buy a second one? Obviously all car brands have some models that are better / worse than their average, but Korean cars are far from being the cheapo Japanese knockoffs that they were in 90s, both Hyundai and Kia have won numerous accolades in the last decade in just about every car category. That said, are there any weightings based on seriousness of issues encountered, or does every customer complaint = one 'penalty point' to the brand? Some cars are rather fickle and finicky with minor things like bluetooth connectivity or stock audio systems etc, but at the same time have better than average chassis / motors and so on -- surely a model that has bluetooth issues in 10 out of 100 cars but needs serious repairs in 1 out of 100 cars in its first year should be ranked higher than a model that needs major repairs in 5 out of 100 cars in their first year? We actually had two concurrently, first one broke a bit after we got the second one. | ||
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QuantumTeleportation
United States119 Posts
Skoda, KIA and Suzuki topped the list. I expect Hyundai, Jaguar and BMW to increase their rankings in future vehicle dependability studies since their recent Initial Quality Study were excellent. http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/2015-uk-vehicle-dependability-study-vds ![[image loading]](http://www.jdpower.com/sites/default/files/2015%20UK%20VDS%20Rank%201.JPG) | ||
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nitram
Canada5412 Posts
How is it possible that acura is lower then honda when they use the exact same parts? If anything, Honda should be lower because their cheaper, economy class vehicles should bring them down. Also in my experiance, audis are the worst cars once they hit 100k km/s. They seem to start having major problems and cost large to fix. I have a few friends that had them and they all grew to hate their cars. Chrysler and dodge are the exact same cars. They 300 is a charger so how can they be so far apart in quality? This study is off. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13293 Posts
I have a Mazda 6 diesel and it has been great. I did previously have a Mazda mps though and while a great car it had recurring mechanical issues. Korean cars have come so far. | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
On September 19 2015 19:48 RowdierBob wrote: Fiat/Chrysler is just a terrible company. No surprises there. Don't ever buy their cars (especially jeeps). I have a Mazda 6 diesel and it has been great. I did previously have a Mazda mps though and while a great car it had recurring mechanical issues. Korean cars have come so far. Mazda is Japanese not Korean  They have had an excellent reputation for reliability for some years now, great cars. I like their newer designs as well, and with the engine technology, they go their own way (no downsizing). | ||
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RapidTiger
59 Posts
On September 19 2015 20:35 ACrow wrote: Mazda is Japanese not Korean They have had an excellent reputation for reliability for some years now, great cars. I like their newer designs as well, and with the engine technology, they go their own way (no downsizing).I'm pretty sure his reference to Mazda and Korean cars were mutually exclusive. Mazda has paint quality/rusting issues. It's everywhere in the auto magazines. Korean/Japanese cars are reliable, but they lack sophistication. The only "mainstream" cars that really differentiate themselves from the rest are Mercedes Benz, Porsche, and to some extent BMW. A Toyota Camry and a BMW 5 series just can't be compared. | ||
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Soap
Brazil1546 Posts
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RapidTiger
59 Posts
http://www.ft.com/fastft/394391/volkswagen-shares-driven-lower-down-20 Looks like German carmakers are in for a massive sales disappointment in the next year or so. I think this will make an even better chance for Korean/Japanese automakers to shine. | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On September 21 2015 19:21 RapidTiger wrote: In other news, Volkswagen is getting CRUSHED. Shares have plunged 25% after news of a likely $18 billion USD fine on Volkswagen for falsifying emissions data controls. The shares of BMW and Mercedes Benz also took a beating. http://www.ft.com/fastft/394391/volkswagen-shares-driven-lower-down-20 Looks like German carmakers are in for a massive sales disappointment in the next year or so. I think this will make an even better chance for Korean/Japanese automakers to shine. I dont know. Shure, VW will have a harsh time with that shit. Not the fine by the US Gouvernemnt, that wount be 18 billion, it cant be after the GM thing, but more because people just wount buy their cars anymore, at least no diesels. And the "fixed" cars will have problems, because the "fixed" cars will lose alot of power. For BMW and MB, I dont see so much problems: It is common, that VW is not the only one, but that means not the only one in the world. I bet every carmaker uses this kind of software for its diesels. You cant combine alot of power, low fuel usage and super low emission of SOx with a diesel. Okay you can, but then the drivers have to refill carbamide (buyable under "Adblue" ) what they dont want to do. And thats a problem for all smaler diesel cars downsized under 2 liters or less. We will see what happens, but VW is fucked, they are extremly focused on their "clean" diesels in Europe (more then 50% of the cars use diesel allready in germany) and now this shit. | ||
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RapidTiger
59 Posts
On September 23 2015 01:35 Clonester wrote: I dont know. Shure, VW will have a harsh time with that shit. Not the fine by the US Gouvernemnt, that wount be 18 billion, it cant be after the GM thing, but more because people just wount buy their cars anymore, at least no diesels. And the "fixed" cars will have problems, because the "fixed" cars will lose alot of power. For BMW and MB, I dont see so much problems: It is common, that VW is not the only one, but that means not the only one in the world. I bet every carmaker uses this kind of software for its diesels. You cant combine alot of power, low fuel usage and super low emission of SOx with a diesel. Okay you can, but then the drivers have to refill carbamide (buyable under "Adblue" ) what they dont want to do. And thats a problem for all smaler diesel cars downsized under 2 liters or less. We will see what happens, but VW is fucked, they are extremly focused on their "clean" diesels in Europe (more then 50% of the cars use diesel allready in germany) and now this shit. I find it absolutely criminal that GM was only charged $900 million USD for a ignition switch fault that killed over 100 people. Yet Volkswagen's emissions fraud system didn't directly kill anyone, yet it has to pay potentially $18 billion USD in fines as well as suffer a hugely tarnished brand image. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45051 Posts
On September 19 2015 22:29 RapidTiger wrote: I'm pretty sure his reference to Mazda and Korean cars were mutually exclusive. Mazda has paint quality/rusting issues. It's everywhere in the auto magazines. Korean/Japanese cars are reliable, but they lack sophistication. The only "mainstream" cars that really differentiate themselves from the rest are Mercedes Benz, Porsche, and to some extent BMW. A Toyota Camry and a BMW 5 series just can't be compared. And yet, according to the above study, the average Toyota has half as many problems as a BMW? Is that how I'm supposed to interpret the ratings? | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
Calling them Japanese is still true but kind of a matter of perspective. I presume a lot of the parts are likely made in Mexico, however according to this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda It seems Ford's share has really depreciated. So, actually they are Japanese; carry on. | ||
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QuantumTeleportation
United States119 Posts
That's not to say Toyota and Volkswagen are unreliable. Any auto brand with less than 100 problems per 100 vehicles should be reasonable in terms of reliability. On September 24 2015 12:57 Alakaslam wrote: Mazda is owned by Ford. Calling them Japanese is still true but kind of a matter of perspective. I presume a lot of the parts are likely made in Mexico, however according to this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda It seems Ford's share has really depreciated. So, actually they are Japanese; carry on. Mazda has a lot of new gimmicky tech in their new cars, but they have poor reliability as seen in both the 2015 JD Power Initial Quality Study and the 2015 JD Power Vehicle Dependability Study. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45051 Posts
On September 25 2015 11:02 QuantumTeleportation wrote: The 2015 JD Power Vehicle Dependability Study looks at long-term reliability of vehicles. And Skoda, KIA and Suzuki came out at top. That's not to say Toyota and Volkswagen are unreliable. Any auto brand with less than 100 problems per 100 vehicles should be reasonable in terms of reliability. So Audi, BMW, Jaguar, Chevy, etc. are relatively unreliable car manufacturers, on average. | ||
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QuantumTeleportation
United States119 Posts
On September 25 2015 14:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: So Audi, BMW, Jaguar, Chevy, etc. are relatively unreliable car manufacturers, on average. According to the 2015 JD Power Vehicle Dependability Study, yes. However, if you look at the 2015 JD Power IQS Study, BMW and Jaguar are likely to see a rebound in vehicle dependability (aka long-term reliability) in the coming years. | ||
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RapidTiger
59 Posts
On September 26 2015 15:25 QuantumTeleportation wrote: According to the 2015 JD Power Vehicle Dependability Study, yes. However, if you look at the 2015 JD Power IQS Study, BMW and Jaguar are likely to see a rebound in vehicle dependability (aka long-term reliability) in the coming years. With VW's diesel emissions scandal, I wonder how it will impact JD Power's Quality studies in the future. Would they nullify this scandal? Because VW's diesel emissions scandal is a reliability issue, just not in the sense that most people would contextualize reliability into. My dad owns an MY2012 BMW 535i and it's been super reliable. We are glad we didn't buy diesel, although the results of the probe are still inconclusive. We are thinking of buy a new 2016 Hyundai Tucson, and replacing our old Nissan Pathfinder. So I think the make and model of the car also needs contextual analysis which JD Power did but not really seen in the graph. Consumer Reports also came up with a similar list. But I don't buy into CR's bs. | ||
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QuantumTeleportation
United States119 Posts
On October 07 2015 23:07 RapidTiger wrote: With VW's diesel emissions scandal, I wonder how it will impact JD Power's Quality studies in the future. Would they nullify this scandal? Because VW's diesel emissions scandal is a reliability issue, just not in the sense that most people would contextualize reliability into. My dad owns an MY2012 BMW 535i and it's been super reliable. We are glad we didn't buy diesel, although the results of the probe are still inconclusive. We are thinking of buy a new 2016 Hyundai Tucson, and replacing our old Nissan Pathfinder. So I think the make and model of the car also needs contextual analysis which JD Power did but not really seen in the graph. Consumer Reports also came up with a similar list. But I don't buy into CR's bs. Not sure what you mean by that the VW diesel scandal is a reliability issue. Yes, in terms of keeping their promises, it may be a reliability issue. But not in terms of quality assurance. German cars, including those from VW, are still the epitome of high quality. This VW diesel scandal will only strengthen VW in the future. For example, VW is turning to a massive drive in electric vehicles in the future. Diesel is no longer on their list of top priorities. | ||
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