On July 18 2012 08:39 N3rV[Green] wrote: I seriously question people in this thread.
Weed has been smoked for over 5000 years by people, if it had "withdrawal" effects I think we would actually know about them by now.
There actually is withdrawal. It's not nearly as problematic as nicotine withdrawal, but it does exist. I find this post sort of funny because you can read plenty of peer-reviewed literature on the matter. What do you mean by "I think we would actually know abut them by now"? We do know about them. It's an area of research.
This post is meant to be informative and corrective, not to be combative. No offense intended.
Like I said, it's not a serious thing when compared with, say, nicotine/tobacco withdrawal, but it does exist. Maybe it doesn't for many, but you can't make a post like that baldly claiming it simply does not exist. Using anecdotal evidence to claim some widespread thing doesn't exist or exists, one way or another, is not very rigorous at all, and means absolutely nothing.
The study has nothing to do with smoking marijuana at all. There was a study that showed smoking weed killed brain cells remember? Turns out they simply put gas masks on monkeys and suffocated them with smoke. Maybe I'm a crazy person, but I refuse to believe shit from most pharmaceutical companies simply because it's all a massive money game, and they MUST do everything they can to make marijuana look horrible.
And the "symptoms" are a joke. "eating less" "being less happy"........really?
I think most people that have smoked a lot agree that there are withdrawal symptoms. Yea they aren't too major but you have to remember that you are changing things in your brain at a molecular level. People often report not being able to sleep well, reduced appetite, irritability or anxiety.
Yea they aren't going to kill you like alcohol withdrawal, and won't make you sick like other drug withdrawal but they do exist.
On July 18 2012 08:39 N3rV[Green] wrote: I seriously question people in this thread.
Weed has been smoked for over 5000 years by people, if it had "withdrawal" effects I think we would actually know about them by now.
There actually is withdrawal. It's not nearly as problematic as nicotine withdrawal, but it does exist. I find this post sort of funny because you can read plenty of peer-reviewed literature on the matter. What do you mean by "I think we would actually know abut them by now"? We do know about them. It's an area of research.
This post is meant to be informative and corrective, not to be combative. No offense intended.
Like I said, it's not a serious thing when compared with, say, nicotine/tobacco withdrawal, but it does exist. Maybe it doesn't for many, but you can't make a post like that baldly claiming it simply does not exist. Using anecdotal evidence to claim some widespread thing doesn't exist or exists, one way or another, is not very rigorous at all, and means absolutely nothing.
The study has nothing to do with smoking marijuana at all. There was a study that showed smoking weed killed brain cells remember? Turns out they simply put gas masks on monkeys and suffocated them with smoke. Maybe I'm a crazy person, but I refuse to believe shit from most pharmaceutical companies simply because it's all a massive money game, and they MUST do everything they can to make marijuana look horrible.
And the "symptoms" are a joke. "eating less" "being less happy"........really?
Precisely my thoughts on the matter.
On the topic of tolerance breaks, sometimes if I don't want to do a full tolerance break (cause at the very least I really like the appetite gain cannabis gives me), I'll only vape for a while instead of smoking. Since it's a less intense high (at least for me personally), my tolerance diminishes so when I go back to my bong I get destroyed again. Fun way to get back a higher high without having to go sober for a couple weeks :D
I just can't find weed in my town. Haven't smoked in 3 weeks just because I can't find some. I'm starting to rage. My friends are like "ya as soon as we find some we'll text you" and I never get news from them but each time I see them they actually have some weed with them. I don't get it. I thought Mary Jane was the easiest thing to find in the World, yet it seems like it doesn't exist here T_T
On July 18 2012 08:39 N3rV[Green] wrote: I seriously question people in this thread.
Weed has been smoked for over 5000 years by people, if it had "withdrawal" effects I think we would actually know about them by now.
There actually is withdrawal. It's not nearly as problematic as nicotine withdrawal, but it does exist. I find this post sort of funny because you can read plenty of peer-reviewed literature on the matter. What do you mean by "I think we would actually know abut them by now"? We do know about them. It's an area of research.
This post is meant to be informative and corrective, not to be combative. No offense intended.
Like I said, it's not a serious thing when compared with, say, nicotine/tobacco withdrawal, but it does exist. Maybe it doesn't for many, but you can't make a post like that baldly claiming it simply does not exist. Using anecdotal evidence to claim some widespread thing doesn't exist or exists, one way or another, is not very rigorous at all, and means absolutely nothing.
The study has nothing to do with smoking marijuana at all. There was a study that showed smoking weed killed brain cells remember? Turns out they simply put gas masks on monkeys and suffocated them with smoke. Maybe I'm a crazy person, but I refuse to believe shit from most pharmaceutical companies simply because it's all a massive money game, and they MUST do everything they can to make marijuana look horrible.
And the "symptoms" are a joke. "eating less" "being less happy"........really?
yeah. if you disregard a lot of scientific, peer-reviewed literature based on the shoddiness of some crappy study performed a while ago, and continue to discount commonly accepted scientific understanding among the scientific community based on your own leaps in logic and personal/anecdotal experience, you are a crazy person. that the withdrawal symptoms are mild vs. that of nicotine withdrawal does not mean they don't exist. that's a crazy leap in logic. makes no sense to rational people. "pharmaceutical companies"... what? all of these studies are academic, regardless of where funding is drawn from. if you are one of those people that thinks every scientific study is some gov't funded, corporation funded super-conspiracy without any legitimate evidence, yeah, you really are a crazy person.
whatever. i tried to be reasonable. carry on in your own little world believing whatever you want. not my problem. but don't go on professing to everyone else your own little view without actual evidence -- that's irresponsible. just keep it to yourself so as not to confuse people. now, if you have some well-evidenced reasoning for there not being any withdrawal effect related to marijuana use, share it.
p.s. "the study has nothing to do with smoking marijuana at all..." makes no sense. I linked 5 'studies'. there are countless others. so, they're all just a bunch of BS, eh? sounds rational. why don't you actually read the journal articles and point out their flaws in methodology rather than parrot: "oh but there was this one study a while ago with gas masks". i mean, are you serious? are you honestly satisfied with discounting all current studies -- without even demonstrating that you have read them/have the capacity to interpret them -- based on the fact that there were a few bad ones in the past? that's so irrational.
On July 18 2012 14:10 JeanBob wrote: I just can't find weed in my town. Haven't smoked in 3 weeks just because I can't find some. I'm starting to rage. My friends are like "ya as soon as we find some we'll text you" and I never get news from them but each time I see them they actually have some weed with them. I don't get it. I thought Mary Jane was the easiest thing to find in the World, yet it seems like it doesn't exist here T_T
proof that withdrawals cause side effects
edit: either that, or this guy's "friends" are actually just 2-faced liars.
On July 18 2012 14:10 JeanBob wrote: I just can't find weed in my town. Haven't smoked in 3 weeks just because I can't find some. I'm starting to rage. My friends are like "ya as soon as we find some we'll text you" and I never get news from them but each time I see them they actually have some weed with them. I don't get it. I thought Mary Jane was the easiest thing to find in the World, yet it seems like it doesn't exist here T_T
proof that withdrawals cause side effects
edit: either that, or this guy's "friends" are actually just 2-faced liars.
edit2: wait, maybe it proves both
I'm more raging at the fact that my friends seem to forget me, but yes, weed has a few withdrawal effects. But I don't think I can add anything that hasn't been said on this debate: it's something everyone experiments differently. I've been suffering from insomnia since I'm something like 12 years old, and it gets worse when I'm in a lack of weed. Except for that, well, boredom, but that's about it.
On July 18 2012 08:39 N3rV[Green] wrote: I seriously question people in this thread.
Weed has been smoked for over 5000 years by people, if it had "withdrawal" effects I think we would actually know about them by now.
There actually is withdrawal. It's not nearly as problematic as nicotine withdrawal, but it does exist. I find this post sort of funny because you can read plenty of peer-reviewed literature on the matter. What do you mean by "I think we would actually know abut them by now"? We do know about them. It's an area of research.
This post is meant to be informative and corrective, not to be combative. No offense intended.
Like I said, it's not a serious thing when compared with, say, nicotine/tobacco withdrawal, but it does exist. Maybe it doesn't for many, but you can't make a post like that baldly claiming it simply does not exist. Using anecdotal evidence to claim some widespread thing doesn't exist or exists, one way or another, is not very rigorous at all, and means absolutely nothing.
The study has nothing to do with smoking marijuana at all. There was a study that showed smoking weed killed brain cells remember? Turns out they simply put gas masks on monkeys and suffocated them with smoke. Maybe I'm a crazy person, but I refuse to believe shit from most pharmaceutical companies simply because it's all a massive money game, and they MUST do everything they can to make marijuana look horrible.
And the "symptoms" are a joke. "eating less" "being less happy"........really?
Lack of oxygen is not good for the brain. It's like how if you blow smoke into a dog or cat's face directly there is irreparable damage. Or maybe my friend was trying to scare us from blowing smoke into his cat's face...
Withdrawal symptions? yea, reduced appetite, loss of interest in day to day activities...
But seriously I swam competitively in college as a division 1 swimmer and at the beginning of every season I'd stop smoking cold turkey to pass the drug testing. Never experienced any symptoms. Also, your brain isn't damaged by lack of oxygen unless you are starved for oxygen for more than 2 minutes. I'm not saying there can't be a mental addiction to weed, because you can be addicted to anything. I'm more addicted to video games than weed. And sure, you can damage your lungs by filling them with tar and you can probably kill some brain cells by smoking a ton but that is nothing compared to using alcohol, tobacco, or even over the counter painkillers.
On July 18 2012 14:10 JeanBob wrote: I just can't find weed in my town. Haven't smoked in 3 weeks just because I can't find some. I'm starting to rage. My friends are like "ya as soon as we find some we'll text you" and I never get news from them but each time I see them they actually have some weed with them. I don't get it. I thought Mary Jane was the easiest thing to find in the World, yet it seems like it doesn't exist here T_T
proof that withdrawals cause side effects
edit: either that, or this guy's "friends" are actually just 2-faced liars.
edit2: wait, maybe it proves both
Or maybe...he just wants to smoke again ROFL Imagine if you couldn't go on the internet or play starcraft for 3 weeks. You would start to rage too.
Proof that it has withdrawals hahahahahahahahaha wow.
On July 19 2012 08:09 TheFish7 wrote: Withdrawal symptions? yea, reduced appetite, loss of interest in day to day activities...
But seriously I swam competitively in college as a division 1 swimmer and at the beginning of every season I'd stop smoking cold turkey to pass the drug testing. Never experienced any symptoms. Also, your brain isn't damaged by lack of oxygen unless you are starved for oxygen for more than 2 minutes. I'm not saying there can't be a mental addiction to weed, because you can be addicted to anything. I'm more addicted to video games than weed. And sure, you can damage your lungs by filling them with tar and you can probably kill some brain cells by smoking a ton but that is nothing compared to using alcohol, tobacco, or even over the counter painkillers.
As mentioned many times. It is a DELAYED withdrawal.
And you can pass the piss test just by drinking tons of cranberry juice to inhibit the THCs in the urine.
And it also depends on how much you and the frequency of doing it
And also your body fat percentage which in your case is pretty low because of swimming and therefore easier to metabolize the THC out of your body.
Typical withdrawals happens 4 weeks AFTER the last session.
On July 18 2012 14:10 JeanBob wrote: I just can't find weed in my town. Haven't smoked in 3 weeks just because I can't find some. I'm starting to rage. My friends are like "ya as soon as we find some we'll text you" and I never get news from them but each time I see them they actually have some weed with them. I don't get it. I thought Mary Jane was the easiest thing to find in the World, yet it seems like it doesn't exist here T_T
proof that withdrawals cause side effects
edit: either that, or this guy's "friends" are actually just 2-faced liars.
edit2: wait, maybe it proves both
Or maybe...he just wants to smoke again ROFL Imagine if you couldn't go on the internet or play starcraft for 3 weeks. You would start to rage too.
Proof that it has withdrawals hahahahahahahahaha wow.
On July 21 2012 12:43 Kuja wrote: My friend hooked me up with some dank bud tonight, so stoked yo. whats the best way to smoke it if I don't have a piece?
On July 18 2012 14:10 JeanBob wrote: I just can't find weed in my town. Haven't smoked in 3 weeks just because I can't find some. I'm starting to rage. My friends are like "ya as soon as we find some we'll text you" and I never get news from them but each time I see them they actually have some weed with them. I don't get it. I thought Mary Jane was the easiest thing to find in the World, yet it seems like it doesn't exist here T_T
proof that withdrawals cause side effects
edit: either that, or this guy's "friends" are actually just 2-faced liars.
edit2: wait, maybe it proves both
The fact that you say you've found "proof that weed causes withdrawal symptoms" is propersterous and irrepsonsible. You are making this claim on the basis of one guy's post saying he's starting to rage because he can't find weed... really, cmon.
we're talking about 1 guy making a post (which in the first place would not even constitute as "withdrawal"), and you're claiming this is "proof that weed causes withdrawal symptoms" (on the topic of withdrawal symptoms we could be dealing with physical or psychological withdrawal, not that i'd expect you to specify however).
So if i made a post saying "i haven't been able to find weed in 3 weeks and im not raging"... would that be proof that weed does not cause withdrawal symptom? No... I shouldn't say so at all... and neither should you. Just think.
On July 21 2012 12:43 Kuja wrote: My friend hooked me up with some dank bud tonight, so stoked yo. whats the best way to smoke it if I don't have a piece?
you can make a gravity bong with a 2-liter bottle and a bucket with some water
EPT
