EPTEuropean Politico-economics QA Mega-thread - Page 457
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RvB
Netherlands6274 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22373 Posts
What will follow is general failure as the protest parties have to suddenly govern instead of shout, something they are woefully unprepared for, and as reality forces them to compromise on their protest message. And finishing with a lurch back to the more established parties to fix the mess. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On April 25 2016 04:27 Gorsameth wrote: As expected, the failure of the EU and national governments to deal with the immigration crisis is feeding the populist (often right) parties. What will follow is general failure as the protest parties have to suddenly govern instead of shout, something they are woefully unprepared for, and as reality forces them to compromise on their protest message. And finishing with a lurch back to the more established parties to fix the mess. Reducing it to the immigration crisis is not right imo. The immigration crisis would be perceived just fine by people if they weren't facing economical issues and didn't have their social rights slowly taken away. | ||
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rednusa
651 Posts
On April 21 2016 20:10 Dapper_Cad wrote: Candidate A for Labour is Sadiq Khan, a British Muslim who shares a pronounced name - though not a spelled name - with one of the 7/7 London bombers Thanks for reminding us that they are two different people and that the one running in the London mayoral elections didn't blow himself up on 7/7. | ||
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Krikkitone
United States1451 Posts
On April 25 2016 08:41 rednusa wrote: Thanks for reminding us that they are two different people and that the one running in the London mayoral elections didn't blow himself up on 7/7. Well, you are assuming that being dead would automatically disqualify someone from running. Excluding the dead from public service really limits your options. | ||
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Yuljan
2196 Posts
On April 25 2016 07:23 OtherWorld wrote: Reducing it to the immigration crisis is not right imo. The immigration crisis would be perceived just fine by people if they weren't facing economical issues and didn't have their social rights slowly taken away. That explanation might work for France but there are no large scale economic issues or social rights being taken away in Germany and Austria. The left is always trying to paint it as a class fight but its a fight between cultures and religions. The issue is simply. The majority does not want any more muslim immigration. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10886 Posts
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On April 25 2016 20:12 Yuljan wrote: That explanation might work for France but there are no large scale economic issues or social rights being taken away in Germany and Austria. The left is always trying to paint it as a class fight but its a fight between cultures and religions. The issue is simply. The majority does not want any more muslim immigration. Isn't poverty in Germany increasing since the early 2000s? | ||
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kongoline
6318 Posts
On April 25 2016 20:23 Velr wrote: Yeah, this Isn't about economics it is about (irrational) fears. you have to be leftist nutjob to believe that letting in without background check millions of illegal economic migrants with no education,job qualifications, will to assimilate while giving them free social support higher than most working people make in eastern countries is rational. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On April 25 2016 21:27 kongoline wrote: you have to be leftist nutjob to believe that letting in without background check millions of illegal economic migrants with no education,job qualifications, will to assimilate while giving them free social support higher than most working people make in eastern countries is rational. Millions? France welcomed 30,000 ; Austria must be somewhere between 30K and 100K. | ||
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kongoline
6318 Posts
On April 25 2016 21:42 OtherWorld wrote: Millions? France welcomed 30,000 ; Austria must be somewhere between 30K and 100K. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/08/germany-on-course-to-accept-one-million-refugees-in-2015 1mln just in Germany last year and this year prognosis are much higher | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10886 Posts
On April 25 2016 21:27 kongoline wrote: you have to be leftist nutjob to believe that letting in without background check millions of illegal economic migrants with no education,job qualifications, will to assimilate while giving them free social support higher than most working people make in eastern countries is rational. Staggering how much you can read into one sentence and at the same time proof my point. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On April 25 2016 21:51 kongoline wrote: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/08/germany-on-course-to-accept-one-million-refugees-in-2015 1mln just in Germany last year and this year prognosis are much higher Yeah, so that's what I'm saying ; in all EU countries but Germany, we're very far from the "millions of bloodthirsty migrants" story that some people are selling us. | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
And it's a non issue with minuscule amount of actual refugees here, and even those provided asylum just try to move to Germany right away  | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10142 Posts
On April 25 2016 21:42 OtherWorld wrote: Millions? France welcomed 30,000 ; Austria must be somewhere between 30K and 100K. 18 to Spain lol. And no, i am not missing a "k" after the 18. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On April 25 2016 22:50 Godwrath wrote: 18 to Spain lol. And no, i am not missing a "k" after the 18. Spain is a corridor for migrants, not a bedroom apparently. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10142 Posts
On April 26 2016 00:29 WhiteDog wrote: Spain is a corridor for migrants, not a bedroom apparently. Yep, most of the refugees don't want to come here. With our unemployment is not surprising tho. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On April 26 2016 00:33 Godwrath wrote: Yep, most of the refugees don't want to come here. With our unemployment is not surprising tho. Don't worry it's the same for France to a certain extent lol. | ||
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Noizhende
Austria328 Posts
european center parties have successfully destroyed the welfare state over the last 30 years and we'll now face the consequences, because we don't have democratic systems with immortal parties like in the us. they'll be eaten by the people who are feeling left alone by the establishment. the refugee crisis is just a catalysator. <- this is actually the most important thing to understand a lot of folks don't seem to understand that you can't govern just by telling people that everything is fine over and over, because the people vote based on how much they have in their bank accounts at the end of the month, and if you cut all kinds of social structures away the people will tell the governing parties to fuck off. now the ironic thing is, that in the case of the fpö the people actually vote for those same policies (or for the working class even worse ones), which are being made now, but they don't care, the center parties have lost support completely and at least in austria there's no left wing alternative that doesn't seem too elitist for a big part of the people, so a lot vote right wing just to show who's the boss. | ||
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lastpuritan
United States540 Posts
As if Turkey is their homeland. All those people should be sent mainly to ARABIC countries so they wont have language & culture problems. I feel sorry for Germany, Greece and Turkey. | ||
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