• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 07:28
CEST 13:28
KST 20:28
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
Weekly Cups (July 20-26): Early returns on 5.0.16b0IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly4Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard"7ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live!38Weekly Cups (July 13-19): Terran & Protoss rise; Zerg falters2
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (July 20-26): Early returns on 5.0.16b 3kb/s downloading patch..... are we back to 1998? Terran or Protoss Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly INu's Battles#18 - Cure, herO, Rogue & ByuN
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Industrial Park New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate
External Content
Mutation # 536 Railroad Switch The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 535 Assembly of Vengeance Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation
Brood War
General
screpdb: new Starcraft reporting tool ASL22 General Discussion ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool Klaucher discontinued / in-game color settings BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2v2v2v2 Tournament Star Con San Diego 2026 Escore Tournament - Season 3
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers PvT advise for noobs
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live! Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread How to buy a book - shipping from Korea to Europe
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread 2026-27 Football Thread placeholder TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Games, Hormones, and "Dark" …
TrAiDoS
Hello guys!
LIN1s
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8430 users

European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread - Page 1353

Forum Index > General Forum
Post a Reply
Prev 1 1351 1352 1353 1354 1355 1426 Next
Although this thread does not function under the same strict guidelines as the USPMT, it is still a general practice on TL to provide a source with an explanation on why it is relevant and what purpose it adds to the discussion. Failure to do so will result in a mod action.
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
February 27 2022 20:49 GMT
#27041
--- Nuked ---
Just_a_Moth
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1970 Posts
February 27 2022 20:52 GMT
#27042
Just having more planes available should still be a big help though; Ukraine has no apparent lack of manpower, only equipment not enough equipment for all of the volunteers. Of course, I guess it is far easier to arm and untrained volunteer with a gun than it is to find capable pilots.
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
February 27 2022 20:55 GMT
#27043
I'm impressed how much damage Bayraktars do to unguarded vehicle columns, seen a bunch of videos and every time it feels like the enemy never expecting to get hit, and the chaos after
In memory of Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson 11.09.1985 - 21.07.2019 A tribute to incredible man, embodiment of joy, esports titan, starcraft community pillar all in one. You will always be remembered!
Just_a_Moth
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1970 Posts
February 27 2022 20:59 GMT
#27044
I saw the aftermath of a vehicle column that was a apparently hit by a single Bayraktar, and I was surprised at how much damage a single drone could do.
Oukka
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Finland1683 Posts
February 27 2022 21:01 GMT
#27045
Re: the figther jets, I'm going off of no actual knowledge here, but I'd guestimate that a pilot can spend more time in the air than a plane can. So just more planes means more flight time even if the number of pilots stays the same.
I play children's card games and watch a lot of dota, CS and HS
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12134 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-27 21:11:04
February 27 2022 21:08 GMT
#27046
On February 28 2022 06:01 Oukka wrote:
Re: the figther jets, I'm going off of no actual knowledge here, but I'd guestimate that a pilot can spend more time in the air than a plane can. So just more planes means more flight time even if the number of pilots stays the same.


I don't really know. A quick search for ratios:
There are 12,500 active duty pilots in the USAF, and the service counts just over 5,000 manned aircraft. This will give an overall, rough, ballpark figure of 2.5 pilots per aircraft across the entire force.

Others said a ratio of 3. Then some smaller examples included around a 1:1 ratio.

So I guess short term it could be true. Damages to the planes will likely add up and maintenance can probably be hard to keep up in an active war footing. So having a new plane to slot in instead of finding parts (assuming the planes are at secondary or tertiary bases) and performing advanced maintenance would help regardless.

At a certain point you run out of pilots, assuming you keep "buying" air planes to replace loses.

Drones seem more worthwhile from an expertise perspective. You don't lose the pilot.
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
February 27 2022 21:08 GMT
#27047
On February 28 2022 05:49 plasmidghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2022 05:48 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
No way will any EU military personnel be piloting those jets.

I believe that too. Putin would absolutely consider that a severe escalation


The fighter jets themselves seem fairly provocative but i'm all for it drive Putin out of Ukraine.

Need to have some serious thinking about what happens if the Ukrainians do start to force all of the russians out of Ukraine, what is Putin likely to do next? Nukes? He seems increasingly deranged.

Do the Ukrainians march on Crimea, they would be justified but it has a holy significance for Russia as well as Ukraine, could end up with an even more dangerous situation.

Maybe a coup is the best we can hope for in Russia.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37100 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-28 00:00:15
February 27 2022 21:43 GMT
#27048
Henceforth, all discussions pertaining to the topic of the Russo-Ukrainian War will take place in this thread: https://tl.net/forum/general/587060-russo-ukrainian-war-thread

We will be monitoring this thread very closely so please think very carefully before you post.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland577 Posts
February 27 2022 21:50 GMT
#27049
On February 28 2022 05:19 Legan wrote:
According to Bellingcat's executive director, there was an essay posted yesterday that got deleted shortly afterwards. The essay seemed to be meant to be posted after Russian forces had successfully taken Kyiv.

https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1498025819054264328?cxt=HHwWkMC-kfWih8opAAAA


"The Ukrainian question"... It is like attempt to get in historybooks as the most foul regime IF this stuff is real. And preplanned war explained...
it's not just a music it's something else
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-28 01:12:47
February 28 2022 01:12 GMT
#27050
On February 28 2022 01:17 Jerubaal wrote:
What was his objective anyway? Seems like he got a lot just by annexing those two eastern provinces.

That's the strange thing. Ukraine still have control over most of those two provinces. The areas of the separatist areas in those two eastern provinces that Putin has claimed he recognises as independent provinces have not been invaded yet at all. From that it is clear that Putin intends to simply take over the whole of Ukraine, with a very high priority on Kyiv, but not much on simply occupying those two provinces.


On February 28 2022 06:01 Oukka wrote:
Re: the figther jets, I'm going off of no actual knowledge here, but I'd guestimate that a pilot can spend more time in the air than a plane can. So just more planes means more flight time even if the number of pilots stays the same.
It can be very physically demanding. Flying a mission can require quite significant time of briefing and debriefing.
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
February 28 2022 22:04 GMT
#27051
anyone else also read that our planet's burning ever faster?
IPCC report WG2 just got posted today.

for a quick and dirty TLDR of the 3,600 pages I'd personally recommend carbon brief's QnA. Not because I can attest it's good - haven't read the whole report for obvious reasons - but because I appreciate their previous work and think it's at least gonna be a good starting point.

Thanks to Putin, Germany at least might be closer to pushing though a significant increase in transmission lines as well as renewable power generation for synthetic fuel production (H2 and maybe even CH4 from CCS CO2?!) in times of excess production. Although I've read that hydrolysis is not that flexible as a scaled up process. Definitely a gap in my knowledge.
passive quaranstream fan
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-28 23:10:27
February 28 2022 23:10 GMT
#27052
Finland will begin debating on joining NATO.

Russian aggression in Ukraine has pushed the Finnish public closer than ever to NATO.

Finnish political parties will gather on Tuesday to discuss Russia’s attack on Ukraine and Finland’s role in Europe’s new power balance. Finland’s potential NATO membership will also be on the table, Prime Minister Sanna Marin told reporters Monday.

The mood in Helsinki is tense: Finland has Europe’s longest border with Russia at over 1,300 kilometers, but is not a part of the military alliance. The country is a close ally of NATO, but there has been little appetite to join the club — until now.

“It is very understandable that many Finns have changed or are changing their minds after Russia started waging war on Ukraine,” Marin said.

Finns are evaluating “what is the line that Russia has crossed, and what is the line that Russia will not cross … And if Russia does cross some line, do we face it alone or together with others,” Marin said. She did not comment on her personal position on NATO.

A survey by the Finnish broadcasting company Yle found that 53 percent of Finns support their country joining NATO. This figure goes up to 66 percent if neighboring Sweden were also to join NATO. This marks a drastic shift in public attitudes — in the previous poll in 2017, only 19 percent of Finns supported NATO membership.

A citizens’ initiative to hold a referendum on whether Finland should join NATO gathered the required 50,000 signatures in less than a week, which forces parliament to debate it.

In a move premier Marin called “historic,” Finland announced it is offering Ukraine weapons. “Finland staunchly supports Ukrainian independence and sovereignty. Finland will offer weapons to Ukraine and the aid will be delivered quickly. This decision will not endanger national defense,” Marin said.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
February 28 2022 23:17 GMT
#27053
It's cute, and accelerating transition to green is a good thing, but replacing natural gas with green energy on an accelerated schedule is a pipe dream (heh). I say this a lot, but the real solution to energy independence is not green energy, but coal and fracking. Saying "fuck the environment" is definitely a strategy, and it can get you energy independence, but if everybody does it we all lose.

The two problems with renewable energy are always going to be geography and consistency. Geographically - you don't want to put solar panels where there's a lot of cloud cover on a regular basis or windmills in places that aren't windy. And you'd better hope those power sources are close to places that use a lot of power, or else power transmission becomes expensive. On consistency - sunny days (or months) and hurricane-level winds produce more power than wintry and windless ones. Batteries are garbage at scale, so something like hydrogen might be good, but that's absurdly inefficient to make greenly (via electrolysis). To be fair it sounds like these are the exact problems they're trying to solve, but if the technology (in the sense of efficient engineering design, not basic science) isn't there in 2022 then the large-scale infrastructure won't be in 2035.

Also remember that there's four energy sources at play here that have various priorities to get rid of - coal, Russian gas, LNG, and nuclear. Russian gas is at least in the top two (competing w/ nuclear) among those options. Is the strategy going to be "more emphasis on renewable energy so we can shed Russian gas, but keep dirtier fuels?" If so, the real strategy is you're keeping more coal up and running. LNG as an alternative to Russian gas is an option, and Europe is definitely going to push more towards that (as they already have) but the price difference is substantial, and you need many years to make that happen at a large scale even if you're willing to dump hundreds of billions in extra expenditure.

I can say this pretty confidently because this is exactly what was said in 2014, and it turns out that when you make stupid transition plans you win stupid prizes as happened in the 2021-present time period. Which means not just gas but desperately backtracking on coal as well. In the long run you can and do want to avoid dependence on a single supplier, but the only way to be both green and Russia-free in the short term (5 years absolute minimum, but realistically more like 15-20) is to decide that you don't really want to have an economy.

It's currently in the interest of all involved that "the gas must flow." Maybe not the US since they want to sell overpriced LNG, but really no one else. And yes, the truth here is quite an ugly one but that's commodities for you. You will find that even in wartime, Ukraine and Russia cooperated to make sure that more gas flows through than it did in the prewar days.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
emperorofwild
Profile Joined July 2019
87 Posts
March 01 2022 02:27 GMT
#27054
On March 01 2022 08:10 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Finland will begin debating on joining NATO.

Show nested quote +
Russian aggression in Ukraine has pushed the Finnish public closer than ever to NATO.

Finnish political parties will gather on Tuesday to discuss Russia’s attack on Ukraine and Finland’s role in Europe’s new power balance. Finland’s potential NATO membership will also be on the table, Prime Minister Sanna Marin told reporters Monday.

The mood in Helsinki is tense: Finland has Europe’s longest border with Russia at over 1,300 kilometers, but is not a part of the military alliance. The country is a close ally of NATO, but there has been little appetite to join the club — until now.

“It is very understandable that many Finns have changed or are changing their minds after Russia started waging war on Ukraine,” Marin said.

Finns are evaluating “what is the line that Russia has crossed, and what is the line that Russia will not cross … And if Russia does cross some line, do we face it alone or together with others,” Marin said. She did not comment on her personal position on NATO.

A survey by the Finnish broadcasting company Yle found that 53 percent of Finns support their country joining NATO. This figure goes up to 66 percent if neighboring Sweden were also to join NATO. This marks a drastic shift in public attitudes — in the previous poll in 2017, only 19 percent of Finns supported NATO membership.

A citizens’ initiative to hold a referendum on whether Finland should join NATO gathered the required 50,000 signatures in less than a week, which forces parliament to debate it.

In a move premier Marin called “historic,” Finland announced it is offering Ukraine weapons. “Finland staunchly supports Ukrainian independence and sovereignty. Finland will offer weapons to Ukraine and the aid will be delivered quickly. This decision will not endanger national defense,” Marin said.


Source

I think this war tells them that Russia is not that strong.
Big win for anglo saxon‘s old tricks!
whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland577 Posts
March 01 2022 02:52 GMT
#27055
On March 01 2022 11:27 emperorofwild wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2022 08:10 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Finland will begin debating on joining NATO.

Russian aggression in Ukraine has pushed the Finnish public closer than ever to NATO.

Finnish political parties will gather on Tuesday to discuss Russia’s attack on Ukraine and Finland’s role in Europe’s new power balance. Finland’s potential NATO membership will also be on the table, Prime Minister Sanna Marin told reporters Monday.

The mood in Helsinki is tense: Finland has Europe’s longest border with Russia at over 1,300 kilometers, but is not a part of the military alliance. The country is a close ally of NATO, but there has been little appetite to join the club — until now.

“It is very understandable that many Finns have changed or are changing their minds after Russia started waging war on Ukraine,” Marin said.

Finns are evaluating “what is the line that Russia has crossed, and what is the line that Russia will not cross … And if Russia does cross some line, do we face it alone or together with others,” Marin said. She did not comment on her personal position on NATO.

A survey by the Finnish broadcasting company Yle found that 53 percent of Finns support their country joining NATO. This figure goes up to 66 percent if neighboring Sweden were also to join NATO. This marks a drastic shift in public attitudes — in the previous poll in 2017, only 19 percent of Finns supported NATO membership.

A citizens’ initiative to hold a referendum on whether Finland should join NATO gathered the required 50,000 signatures in less than a week, which forces parliament to debate it.

In a move premier Marin called “historic,” Finland announced it is offering Ukraine weapons. “Finland staunchly supports Ukrainian independence and sovereignty. Finland will offer weapons to Ukraine and the aid will be delivered quickly. This decision will not endanger national defense,” Marin said.


Source

I think this war tells them that Russia is not that strong.
Big win for anglo saxon‘s old tricks!


There are many reasons, but the biggest one is fear. We have seen how Russia has switched its goals to just shoot everything as possible. And given our history with "dear neighbour" many of us are absolutely terrified. Like our news analyzed, we have been absolutely naive about Russia and Putin. The whole diplomatic aproach with Russia has been a complete failure and we should have listened Baltic countries, Poland etc. when they warned us about Russia.
it's not just a music it's something else
emperorofwild
Profile Joined July 2019
87 Posts
March 01 2022 04:00 GMT
#27056
On March 01 2022 11:52 whaski wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2022 11:27 emperorofwild wrote:
On March 01 2022 08:10 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Finland will begin debating on joining NATO.

Russian aggression in Ukraine has pushed the Finnish public closer than ever to NATO.

Finnish political parties will gather on Tuesday to discuss Russia’s attack on Ukraine and Finland’s role in Europe’s new power balance. Finland’s potential NATO membership will also be on the table, Prime Minister Sanna Marin told reporters Monday.

The mood in Helsinki is tense: Finland has Europe’s longest border with Russia at over 1,300 kilometers, but is not a part of the military alliance. The country is a close ally of NATO, but there has been little appetite to join the club — until now.

“It is very understandable that many Finns have changed or are changing their minds after Russia started waging war on Ukraine,” Marin said.

Finns are evaluating “what is the line that Russia has crossed, and what is the line that Russia will not cross … And if Russia does cross some line, do we face it alone or together with others,” Marin said. She did not comment on her personal position on NATO.

A survey by the Finnish broadcasting company Yle found that 53 percent of Finns support their country joining NATO. This figure goes up to 66 percent if neighboring Sweden were also to join NATO. This marks a drastic shift in public attitudes — in the previous poll in 2017, only 19 percent of Finns supported NATO membership.

A citizens’ initiative to hold a referendum on whether Finland should join NATO gathered the required 50,000 signatures in less than a week, which forces parliament to debate it.

In a move premier Marin called “historic,” Finland announced it is offering Ukraine weapons. “Finland staunchly supports Ukrainian independence and sovereignty. Finland will offer weapons to Ukraine and the aid will be delivered quickly. This decision will not endanger national defense,” Marin said.


Source

I think this war tells them that Russia is not that strong.
Big win for anglo saxon‘s old tricks!


There are many reasons, but the biggest one is fear. We have seen how Russia has switched its goals to just shoot everything as possible. And given our history with "dear neighbour" many of us are absolutely terrified. Like our news analyzed, we have been absolutely naive about Russia and Putin. The whole diplomatic aproach with Russia has been a complete failure and we should have listened Baltic countries, Poland etc. when they warned us about Russia.

My history knowledge,Finland has been peace with Russia after 1920s? So what changed?
Answer1:Russia is much weaker than it was. they need Europes industry products just as Europe need their petroleum. It could be good for whole Europe.
Answer2: NATO, which mainly controled by US expanded to the border of Rusia, that is Russian's "biggest fear". Its like someone having his dagger on your throat ,saying Im not gonna to stab you ,and i m not touching you ,so you can not fight back,i m just defending my self. And this world has no police ,or this dagger guy always say himself is the police.
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
March 01 2022 07:30 GMT
#27057
On March 01 2022 08:17 LegalLord wrote:
It's cute, and accelerating transition to green is a good thing, but replacing natural gas with green energy on an accelerated schedule is a pipe dream (heh). I say this a lot, but the real solution to energy independence is not green energy, but coal and fracking. Saying "fuck the environment" is definitely a strategy, and it can get you energy independence, but if everybody does it we all lose.

The two problems with renewable energy are always going to be geography and consistency. Geographically - you don't want to put solar panels where there's a lot of cloud cover on a regular basis or windmills in places that aren't windy. And you'd better hope those power sources are close to places that use a lot of power, or else power transmission becomes expensive. On consistency - sunny days (or months) and hurricane-level winds produce more power than wintry and windless ones. Batteries are garbage at scale, so something like hydrogen might be good, but that's absurdly inefficient to make greenly (via electrolysis). To be fair it sounds like these are the exact problems they're trying to solve, but if the technology (in the sense of efficient engineering design, not basic science) isn't there in 2022 then the large-scale infrastructure won't be in 2035.

Also remember that there's four energy sources at play here that have various priorities to get rid of - coal, Russian gas, LNG, and nuclear. Russian gas is at least in the top two (competing w/ nuclear) among those options. Is the strategy going to be "more emphasis on renewable energy so we can shed Russian gas, but keep dirtier fuels?" If so, the real strategy is you're keeping more coal up and running. LNG as an alternative to Russian gas is an option, and Europe is definitely going to push more towards that (as they already have) but the price difference is substantial, and you need many years to make that happen at a large scale even if you're willing to dump hundreds of billions in extra expenditure.

I can say this pretty confidently because this is exactly what was said in 2014, and it turns out that when you make stupid transition plans you win stupid prizes as happened in the 2021-present time period. Which means not just gas but desperately backtracking on coal as well. In the long run you can and do want to avoid dependence on a single supplier, but the only way to be both green and Russia-free in the short term (5 years absolute minimum, but realistically more like 15-20) is to decide that you don't really want to have an economy.

It's currently in the interest of all involved that "the gas must flow." Maybe not the US since they want to sell overpriced LNG, but really no one else. And yes, the truth here is quite an ugly one but that's commodities for you. You will find that even in wartime, Ukraine and Russia cooperated to make sure that more gas flows through than it did in the prewar days.


SPM.D.5.3 The cumulative scientific evidence is unequivocal: Climate change is a threat to human well-being
and planetary health. Any further delay in concerted anticipatory global action on adaptation and mitigation
will miss a brief and rapidly closing window of opportunity to secure a liveable and sustainable future for all.
(very high confidence)

It's funny, but fuck the environment because it's complicated or too expensive is not an option.
Suddenly your whole post is obsolete, albeit pointing out various challenges of building a sustainable energy supply that I wholeheartedly agree with. Though not with your delineation of the next steps.

Importantly though is that I'm not talking about Germany only. It's been a huge mistake by government and people here to call ourselves the climate leader because we said no to nuclear and coal while sabotaging renewable energy and grid development. Albeit nuclear was a entirely non-clilmate related decision.

Europe has a far superior energy grid connectedness in contrast to the US. By design and political decision. Even including the UK, meaning we can and have to do exactly what you deem too expensive. Build high capacity direct current power lines for shifting energy from cheap renewable production (north) to where we need it (cities, south).
Hence we in Europe are intend on cooperation (the degree depending on subject of course), everyone can profit from the research that went into renewables while current existing power plants will have to be retrofited with CCS to support grid stability in the transition to different consumption patterns.

That the challenges faced by humanity in this regard are unimaginable and hard to understand is perfectly underscored by your post. Purported realism that blinds from reality.

Again, this report underscores that it is not a chioce. It's do or die. Literally.
Playing Russian Roulette with one empty chamber only. Good fucking luck. I'll take expensive renewables and a cut to the amount of tech and flights I can consume.
passive quaranstream fan
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18394 Posts
March 01 2022 07:37 GMT
#27058
On March 01 2022 13:00 emperorofwild wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2022 11:52 whaski wrote:
On March 01 2022 11:27 emperorofwild wrote:
On March 01 2022 08:10 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Finland will begin debating on joining NATO.

Russian aggression in Ukraine has pushed the Finnish public closer than ever to NATO.

Finnish political parties will gather on Tuesday to discuss Russia’s attack on Ukraine and Finland’s role in Europe’s new power balance. Finland’s potential NATO membership will also be on the table, Prime Minister Sanna Marin told reporters Monday.

The mood in Helsinki is tense: Finland has Europe’s longest border with Russia at over 1,300 kilometers, but is not a part of the military alliance. The country is a close ally of NATO, but there has been little appetite to join the club — until now.

“It is very understandable that many Finns have changed or are changing their minds after Russia started waging war on Ukraine,” Marin said.

Finns are evaluating “what is the line that Russia has crossed, and what is the line that Russia will not cross … And if Russia does cross some line, do we face it alone or together with others,” Marin said. She did not comment on her personal position on NATO.

A survey by the Finnish broadcasting company Yle found that 53 percent of Finns support their country joining NATO. This figure goes up to 66 percent if neighboring Sweden were also to join NATO. This marks a drastic shift in public attitudes — in the previous poll in 2017, only 19 percent of Finns supported NATO membership.

A citizens’ initiative to hold a referendum on whether Finland should join NATO gathered the required 50,000 signatures in less than a week, which forces parliament to debate it.

In a move premier Marin called “historic,” Finland announced it is offering Ukraine weapons. “Finland staunchly supports Ukrainian independence and sovereignty. Finland will offer weapons to Ukraine and the aid will be delivered quickly. This decision will not endanger national defense,” Marin said.


Source

I think this war tells them that Russia is not that strong.
Big win for anglo saxon‘s old tricks!


There are many reasons, but the biggest one is fear. We have seen how Russia has switched its goals to just shoot everything as possible. And given our history with "dear neighbour" many of us are absolutely terrified. Like our news analyzed, we have been absolutely naive about Russia and Putin. The whole diplomatic aproach with Russia has been a complete failure and we should have listened Baltic countries, Poland etc. when they warned us about Russia.

My history knowledge,Finland has been peace with Russia after 1920s? So what changed?
Answer1:Russia is much weaker than it was. they need Europes industry products just as Europe need their petroleum. It could be good for whole Europe.
Answer2: NATO, which mainly controled by US expanded to the border of Rusia, that is Russian's "biggest fear". Its like someone having his dagger on your throat ,saying Im not gonna to stab you ,and i m not touching you ,so you can not fight back,i m just defending my self. And this world has no police ,or this dagger guy always say himself is the police.


While answer 2 is definitely what Russia wants you to believe, it just doesn't make any sense. NATO isn't holding a knife to Russia's throat. NATO's main and leading principle is that it's a military alliance to defend the countries together. Ukraine didn't want to join NATO because they want to invade Russia, but rather because Russia was getting increasingly pushy and menacing. Turns out actually joining NATO is pretty much the only thing that would have stopped Russia from invading here (well, I guess full capitulation to their demands and becoming another puppet state like Belarus would have worked too).

So no, the right analog isn't that NATO has a knife to Russia's throat. It's that Russia is a particularly ill tempered man who keeps beating up his neighbours when they don't do as he tells them. It seems quite logical for his neighbours to want to join into an alliance that says "right, next time you punch me, we'll gang up on you". Oh, and did I mention he also has explosives to blow up everybody in the neighborhood if he felt his own life was in danger? So even if they do gang up and fight back, they can never get too vengeful or everybody dies.

Finland was so far the hippy neighbour, smoking pot and asking why we can't all just be friends. He got punched a bit but justified it as just the cost of living. Now, however, he's seeing the other neighbor that didn't join the alliance get attacked with a chainsaw and is rapidly recalculating his options.
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
March 01 2022 07:43 GMT
#27059
On March 01 2022 13:00 emperorofwild wrote:
My history knowledge,Finland has been peace with Russia after 1920s? So what changed?


Uhm? Is my understanding of the English language so bad? Or are you just ignoring the Finnish Winter War entirely?
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28874 Posts
March 01 2022 08:28 GMT
#27060
While I get the desire for energy independence, it's far less important of a goal than an as swift as possible complete abandonment of fossil fuels. The recent climate report only highlights this further.
Moderator
Prev 1 1351 1352 1353 1354 1355 1426 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
INu's Battles
11:00
INu's Battles#18
Cure vs herOLIVE!
ByuN vs Rogue
IntoTheiNu 1168
WardiTV380
LiquipediaDiscussion
Sparkling Tuna Cup
10:00
Weekly #139
SHIN vs TBD
CranKy Ducklings102
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko304
SortOf 123
BRAT_OK 72
ProTech63
SHIN 39
Trikslyr25
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 7846
Shuttle 2572
firebathero 981
Jaedong 604
BeSt 351
Light 314
Mini 309
actioN 267
Larva 203
EffOrt 202
[ Show more ]
Zeus 200
Stork 169
Soulkey 158
Dewaltoss 154
Rush 125
Mong 122
Pusan 94
ZerO 62
hero 53
ToSsGirL 52
ggaemo 49
Hm[arnc] 45
Mind 44
scan(afreeca) 41
[sc1f]eonzerg 35
Sharp 34
Killer 34
soO 31
sSak 25
JulyZerg 23
Shine 20
Sea.KH 20
Icarus 19
Sacsri 18
sorry 17
JYJ 15
ajuk12(nOOB) 12
Yoon 10
Barracks 8
Dota 2
Dendi292
BananaSlamJamma89
Counter-Strike
shoxiejesuss1288
x6flipin300
kRYSTAL_80
markeloff0
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King126
Other Games
singsing1786
B2W.Neo430
crisheroes254
Pyrionflax227
Sick169
XaKoH 109
Liquid`LucifroN60
ZerO(Twitch)10
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV52
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 16
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH284
• StrangeGG 61
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP11
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV321
League of Legends
• Jankos2335
• Stunt495
• TFBlade356
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
12h 32m
The PondCast
22h 32m
Kung Fu Cup
23h 32m
Patches Events
1d 4h
Replay Cast
1d 21h
CrankTV Team League
1d 23h
OSC
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Escore
2 days
CrankTV Team League
2 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
ByuN vs SHIN
Solar vs Lambo
WardiTV Summer Champion…
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Clem vs Serral
herO vs Rogue
WardiTV Summer Champion…
5 days
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-07-27
SCTL 2026 Spring
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W5
ASL Season 22: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 22: Qualifier #2
Acropolis #5
CSLAN 4
ASL Season 22
Acropolis #5 - TRS
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Light Tournament 2026
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.