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Liquid`Drone
Norway28738 Posts
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Aceace
Turkey1305 Posts
On December 10 2018 07:15 TheDwf wrote: So what did most of those people do? They had respirators. According to the State, if you have a respirator so that you can breathe when cops decide to spray the whole street with gas tears, you're a thug. Some people were arrested with weapons or projectiles, fine; but many had only respirators and had to stay the whole day in custody, only to be released after the demonstration. Public liberties? Only a fair weather concession to serfs. Hah!!! Seems like Macron learn a trick or two from Erdoğan! After all he is the one who has to talk to Erdoğan every ten days.... | ||
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pmh
1399 Posts
Tbh I think she will win but its still 4 years to go. If everything turns around within 1 year with the population a bit more happy then maybe it can still end well. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11735 Posts
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On December 09 2018 03:30 Artisreal wrote: I'm gonna quote a part of my post from the offtopic thread (typos included  )Random chats at the supermarket cashier or in the café or while on a walk are the norm here in Edinburgh. It might play a role that I live in morningside, but the locals that I talk to make me believe that is not the case. . Oh right, yeah that I can see. If there's one thing we British can do, it's queue. Yesterday I was in the barber's having my hair done and I just sat on the chair waiting in silence for about half an hour while they finished up. Another guy comes through the door while I'm waiting, I'd describe him as a bit of a wideboy, a bit of a yob. I get on the big chair to get my hair done, and it's now 15 minutes to closing. Other guy comes in, complains that he's now been waiting about 20 minutes and begs to get his hair done because he feels like he looks awful. One of the Barbers says he'll do some overtime and sort him out. The Scottish accent is great mind. A polite Scotsman sounds like the politest man in the world. An angry Scotsman sounds like he's going to kill your family to the third generation. On December 10 2018 09:17 pmh wrote: Next election will be a disaster,le pen will have serious changes to win according to what I read in news media here. Tbh I think she will win but its still 4 years to go. If everything turns around within 1 year with the population a bit more happy then maybe it can still end well. Yeah, France's future options don't look good. On the other hand, Macron mostly got voted in because everyone hated Le Pen, so 'you're not Le Pen, you'll have to do' might still be a decent vote-getter even if you don't have to run on that platform. Let's be honest, there are many French politicians who can rightfully claim to not be Marine Le Pen. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4742 Posts
On December 09 2018 03:30 Artisreal wrote: Random chats at the supermarket cashier or in the café or while on a walk are the norm here in Edinburgh. It might play a role that I live in morningside, but the locals that I talk to make me believe that is not the case. Ahh morningside, i lived there for three months while working at the university. Really nice neighborhood, quiet and lazy. Every day while walking to work i could smell pot on the same corner coming from the same house. Haha. Most of Edinburgh is really nice, though since i was walking everywhere i manged to end up in some places that tourist dont really see, i didnt feel welcome there at all, even when just walking by. I guess every city has such parts. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
- The income of someone at the minimum wage will rise by 100 euros, without employeers paying a single euro for it. + Show Spoiler + He was very ambiguous about how he would do it, either he will take 100 euros from the gross and give it to the net; or he will simply rise the prime d'activité, an aid the State gives to low-income workers, by said 100 euros. - For pensioners earning less than 2 000 euros, he cancels the controversial tax rise (CSG) decided in 2017. He said: "The effort asked was too important". - He asks employeers to give workers a prime this year. This prime will be void of taxes and charges. - No taxes or charges on extra hours in 2019. - He justified the suppression of the wealth tax and won't come back on it. Said something like, "it didn't make France happy when it existed". - Said that he wanted to best fight fiscal evasion. + Show Spoiler + Empty words imo since he didn't give a single detail about it - Said he was aware that "some of [his] words could have hurt some of you". Didn't apologize though. - Intends to keep reforming. - "We're at an historic time, but unlike in the past + Show Spoiler + he admitted that he didn't manage to give answers to people's needs in 18 months, but "this anger is 40 years old" | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28738 Posts
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
I guess that's why he had this horrible sentence about identity and immigration at the end. He will desperately need right-wing diversions in the times to come. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On December 11 2018 05:17 TheDwf wrote: Big J, from memory a few months ago you were asking me if Macron was making middle serfs pay for lower serfs. Here we are. Not a single measure paid by extra taxes on the riches. No particular contribution from companies. The State will pay all the rises. I guess that's why he had this horrible sentence about identity and immigration at the end. He will desperately need right-wing diversions in the times to come. Thanks for the heads up! Seems like he tries to push through the reforms without hurting someone, which is not possible. Everything has a price. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23613 Posts
On December 11 2018 05:33 Plansix wrote: The rich, pitting the working poor against poor immigrants so they can keep their huge piece of the pie. A plan so good it is being employed worldwide. Heaven help them when the majority of people finally catch onto. They typically just buy some token figureheads, give some temporary superficial concessions, and argue the people that aren't satisfied are unreasonably idealistic. Meanwhile they sabotage the remaining credible figures/groups of opposition with pretty much anything they can imagine at the time. The trifecta of climate change, water and energy shortages is going to force people to pick a side though. With the "center" becoming increasingly unsustainable people will have to either pick a corporation that has private habitable land to serve or be left to fend for themselves in the "public" wastelands sooner than later. As a growing population (*of exploitative billionaires [my addition]) stresses the world's food and water supplies, corporations and investors in wealthy countries are buying up foreign farmland and the freshwater perks that come with it. Since 2000, 1,217 deals have taken place, which transferred over 205 million acres of land, according to the public database Land Matrix. About 62 percent of these deals were in Africa – totaling about 138 million acres, roughly the size of two Arizonas. The “water grabbing” by corporations amounts to 454 billion cubic meters per year globally, according to a new study by environmental scientists. That’s about 5 percent of the water the world uses annually. www.scientificamerican.com | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 11 2018 05:54 Big J wrote: Thanks for the heads up! Seems like he tries to push through the reforms without hurting someone, which is not possible. Everything has a price. I am fond of the phrase “Politics is a game of winners and losers” when folks employ the magical thinking that Macron is using right now. That money is coming from someplace and the French government will have to find it. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On December 11 2018 05:33 Plansix wrote: The rich, pitting the working poor against poor immigrants so they can keep their huge piece of the pie. A plan so good it is being employed worldwide. Heaven help them when the majority of people finally catch onto. Very weird narrative to associate the yellow vests with the poor vs the rich It's seems to be predominantly the right, which is in line with the original goal of campaigning for middle class fuel tax cuts. The left would be shooting itself in the foot by associating themselves with the movement. | ||
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Hollow
Canada2180 Posts
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Deleted User 3420
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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zatic
Zurich15361 Posts
On December 11 2018 12:50 Plansix wrote: I don’t even know how they would effectively poll the yellow vests. What? Of all public opinion polling that seems like the easiest possible. They literally walk on the street on a scheduled day wearing yellow vests. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 11 2018 16:08 zatic wrote: What? Of all public opinion polling that seems like the easiest possible. They literally walk on the street on a scheduled day wearing yellow vests. Unsure of you are serious. Accurate polling requires a pretty large sample size that is reflective of the whole group. And for the respondents to answer honestly and not to be actively trying to fuck with the results. It is harder than just showing up and asking people questions. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On December 11 2018 09:05 Nyxisto wrote: Very weird narrative to associate the yellow vests with the poor vs the rich + Show Spoiler + https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1071584510289031174 It's seems to be predominantly the right, which is in line with the original goal of campaigning for middle class fuel tax cuts. The left would be shooting itself in the foot by associating themselves with the movement. 1) I'm not sure you understood right the question in the poll, it's formulation is unclear. It doesn't read, "42% of the yellow vests voted Le Pen" but "42% of those who voted Le Pen would define themselves as yellow vests". 2) This movement is 100% a class movement, yes. Not necessarily "the poor" but definitely lower classes and lower middle classes. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dt-ohSpWoAAgwEv.jpg) Source in French Item "you support yellow vests" (i.e. stronger than "you have sympathy") From the left to the right: executives and managers; intermediary professions; pensioners; independents; employeers; jobless; workers [blue collars]. "Very clear class divide" says the paper. 3) The far-right electorate has right-wing values but about the two thirds of them have a left-wing wallet. 4) Though the movement is heterogeneous and does have right-wing components, over time its most widespread demands (raising the minimum wage, restoring the wealth tax, increasing wages, social minima and pensions, return small public services, democratize institutions) tend to be left-leaning, much to the anger of right-wing newspapers which jumped with joy at the initial "less taxes" rally cry. It's complicated but it did not turn out to be a Tea Party or things like that. | ||
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