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On June 03 2018 12:18 Nyxisto wrote:
I'm pretty sure that literally happened just a year ago, have they done another 180 already?
After their loss in législatives and Philippot left, they definitely binned their "hard Frexit" plans in Sept-Oct 2017. But it doesn't matter, since neither that nor socio-economic themes are their driving force. They have a 20% life annuity as long as they talk about immigration and islam.
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Some cow is said to have crossed border between Bulgaria (EU member) and Serbia (non-EU member) illegally without her owner. The cow has been returned to her owner, but officials say they have to kill her which I think is dumb. If you want, you could sign the petition if you don't think that's right. 
EU officials are being retarded in this case.
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On June 03 2018 20:52 sc-darkness wrote:Some cow is said to have crossed border between Bulgaria (EU member) and Serbia (non-EU member) illegally without her owner. The cow has been returned to her owner, but officials say they have to kill her which I think is dumb. If you want, you could sign the petition if you don't think that's right. EU officials are being retarded in this case.
What EU officials? You think someone in Brussels faxed Bulgaria to kill a cow? It's more likely the interpretation of the rule by a Bulgarian veterinary doctor.
E: Just noticed that the person that started the petition works for The Telegraph, how shocking. This story is the kind of shit that British right wing papers have clung to for years, pretending that EU regulations are the only ones that don't account for all possible scenarios. This is why we've had the concept of 'spirit of the law' long before the EU existed. It would have been excusable if some random person wrote 'EU officials' instead of Bulgarian veterinarian, but coming from a journalist it's just shameful spin.
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I don't care about British right wing and that journalist's career. The important point is to save an innocent cow's life. So you either sign the petition to help or you simply don't.
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On June 03 2018 22:47 sc-darkness wrote:I don't care about British right wing and that journalist's career. The important point is to save an innocent cow's life. So you either sign the petition to help or you simply don't. No, the important point seems to be to bash the EU.
Its a cow, who the f cares.
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Well, today is a cow, tomorrow is a person. Who the fuck cares about one life, right? I eat meat but just to feed myself. I don't support killing a healthy animal because some shitty EU rule said so. It could also be US, Asian, etc. Same shit. If you don't have a good reason to kill, then don't.
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On June 03 2018 22:52 sc-darkness wrote:
Well, today is a cow, tomorrow is a person. Who the fuck cares about one life, right? I eat meat but just to feed myself. I don't support killing a healthy animal because some shitty EU rule said so. It could also be US, Asian, etc. Same shit. If you don't have a good reason to kill, then don't.
you don't need to eat meat to feed yourself though; that's purely a luxury. so why eat meat (and hence support the killing of animals) at all?
what makes your luxury into a good reason to kill? how sustainable is the meat you eat?
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On June 03 2018 22:56 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2018 22:52 sc-darkness wrote:
Well, today is a cow, tomorrow is a person. Who the fuck cares about one life, right? I eat meat but just to feed myself. I don't support killing a healthy animal because some shitty EU rule said so. It could also be US, Asian, etc. Same shit. If you don't have a good reason to kill, then don't. you don't need to eat meat to feed yourself though; that's purely a luxury. so why eat meat (and hence support the killing of animals) at all? what makes your luxury into a good reason to kill?
Killing for food is a pretty good reason for survival purposes. It's not a luxury. You need protein, etc. If you don't kill some cow who crossed a border, you can still survive. Or were you after her meat after all? Anyway, I'm not going to discuss further, it seems an unnecessary topic anyway.
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On June 03 2018 22:52 sc-darkness wrote:
Well, today is a cow, tomorrow is a person. Who the fuck cares about one life, right? I eat meat but just to feed myself. I don't support killing a healthy animal because some shitty EU rule said so. It could also be US, Asian, etc. Same shit. If you don't have a good reason to kill, then don't. Right, the problem is that bureaucrat in Brussels who saw the cow cross and called Bulgaria to ensure it was killed and totally not about a local politician trying to use this dumb case to push a BS political point by taking the worst possible interpretation of a normal common sense rule.
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On June 03 2018 23:01 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2018 22:52 sc-darkness wrote:
Well, today is a cow, tomorrow is a person. Who the fuck cares about one life, right? I eat meat but just to feed myself. I don't support killing a healthy animal because some shitty EU rule said so. It could also be US, Asian, etc. Same shit. If you don't have a good reason to kill, then don't. Right, the problem is that bureaucrat in Brussels who saw the cow cross and called Bulgaria to ensure it was killed and totally not about a local politician trying to use this dumb case to push a BS political point by taking the worst possible interpretation of a normal common sense rule.
Who's that local politician? Bulgaria is one of the most pro-EU countries in the EU. Supporting that politician is like supporting someone like Hitler in Germany - very little support.
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On June 03 2018 22:52 sc-darkness wrote:
Well, today is a cow, tomorrow is a person.
Why is that?
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On June 03 2018 23:00 sc-darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2018 22:56 zlefin wrote:On June 03 2018 22:52 sc-darkness wrote:
Well, today is a cow, tomorrow is a person. Who the fuck cares about one life, right? I eat meat but just to feed myself. I don't support killing a healthy animal because some shitty EU rule said so. It could also be US, Asian, etc. Same shit. If you don't have a good reason to kill, then don't. you don't need to eat meat to feed yourself though; that's purely a luxury. so why eat meat (and hence support the killing of animals) at all? what makes your luxury into a good reason to kill? Killing for food is a pretty good reason for survival purposes. It's not a luxury. You need protein, etc. If you don't kill some cow because she crossed a border, you can still survive. Or were you after her meat after all? Anyway, I'm not going to discuss further, it seems offtopic anyway.
ok, if you do'nt want to discuss it further; i'll simply note that you're factually wrong. it is a luxury, it's not necessary to consume animals at all, there are other sources of protein, and cows in particular often cause considerable ecological problems and are bad for the environment compared to other meats.
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On June 03 2018 23:03 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2018 23:00 sc-darkness wrote:On June 03 2018 22:56 zlefin wrote:On June 03 2018 22:52 sc-darkness wrote:
Well, today is a cow, tomorrow is a person. Who the fuck cares about one life, right? I eat meat but just to feed myself. I don't support killing a healthy animal because some shitty EU rule said so. It could also be US, Asian, etc. Same shit. If you don't have a good reason to kill, then don't. you don't need to eat meat to feed yourself though; that's purely a luxury. so why eat meat (and hence support the killing of animals) at all? what makes your luxury into a good reason to kill? Killing for food is a pretty good reason for survival purposes. It's not a luxury. You need protein, etc. If you don't kill some cow because she crossed a border, you can still survive. Or were you after her meat after all? Anyway, I'm not going to discuss further, it seems offtopic anyway. ok, if you do'nt want to discuss it further; i'll simply note that you're factually wrong. it is a luxury, it's not necessary to consume animals at all, there are other sources of protein, and cows in particular often cause considerable ecological problems and are bad for the environment compared to other meats.
Yes, if you live in North Korea, it's a luxury. Agreed.
£2 for 1 kg chicken quarters is a luxury? Don't make me laugh.
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On June 03 2018 23:07 sc-darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2018 23:03 zlefin wrote:On June 03 2018 23:00 sc-darkness wrote:On June 03 2018 22:56 zlefin wrote:On June 03 2018 22:52 sc-darkness wrote:
Well, today is a cow, tomorrow is a person. Who the fuck cares about one life, right? I eat meat but just to feed myself. I don't support killing a healthy animal because some shitty EU rule said so. It could also be US, Asian, etc. Same shit. If you don't have a good reason to kill, then don't. you don't need to eat meat to feed yourself though; that's purely a luxury. so why eat meat (and hence support the killing of animals) at all? what makes your luxury into a good reason to kill? Killing for food is a pretty good reason for survival purposes. It's not a luxury. You need protein, etc. If you don't kill some cow because she crossed a border, you can still survive. Or were you after her meat after all? Anyway, I'm not going to discuss further, it seems offtopic anyway. ok, if you do'nt want to discuss it further; i'll simply note that you're factually wrong. it is a luxury, it's not necessary to consume animals at all, there are other sources of protein, and cows in particular often cause considerable ecological problems and are bad for the environment compared to other meats. Yes, if you live in North Korea, it's a luxury. Agreed.
you should make up your mind whether or not you want to argue on the topic. also not sure why you'd bother with a flippant response to a valid point.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pregnant-cow-sentenced-death-eu-border-bulgaria-serbia-penka-a8380501.html
Pregnant cow sentenced to death by officials after 'illegally' wandering over EU border
Penka, due to give birth in about three weeks, walked away from her herd near the Bulgarian village of Kopilovtsi and crossed the border into Serbia, a non-EU country. The cow was returned to its owner, Ivan Haralampiev, and Serbian vets said it was in perfect health.
But Bulgarian officials said the bovine must be must be put down because of strict EU rules, AFP reported. “It is not for us to decide,” a veterinary expert, Lyubomir Lyubomirov, told the agency. “We are only implementing rules that come from Brussels.”
John Flack, a Conservative MEP, has written to the prime minister of Bulgaria, Boyko Borissov, and the president of the European Union, Antonio Tajani, to highlight Penka’s plight, the Daily Telegraph reports.“Surely this is a case where pragmatism should prevail over a strict reading of the rules,” he said.
European Commission guidelines say cows must be presented at border checkpoints with documents verifying they are healthy.
It states: “The certification must accompany the animals en route to the EU and when they are presented for entry into the EU at an approved EU Border Inspection Post.”
I don't get it. Serbian vets said she's healthy, so where's the problem? Will Penka become the Bulgarian Harambe?
The cow has been returned to her owner, but officials say they have to kill her which I think is dumb.
Well, today is a cow, tomorrow is a person.
wow that escalated quickly
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On June 03 2018 22:52 sc-darkness wrote:
Well, today is a cow, tomorrow is a person. Who the fuck cares about one life, right? I eat meat but just to feed myself. I don't support killing a healthy animal because some shitty EU rule said so. It could also be US, Asian, etc. Same shit. If you don't have a good reason to kill, then don't.
Holy mother of slippery slopes. Whoever this decision is up to (probably a vet, though I'm not well versed in Bulgarian animal husbandry institutions) has 3 options: do nothing, it's extremely unlikely that there would be any consequences. Or be pragmatic and get the owner to certify the cow in Serbia if it's cost effective. Or be ultra pragmatic and put it down.
If they choose the 3rd one, that has fuck all to do with "EU officials being retarded" as you suggested. The rule doesn't "say so", the rule is about ensuring health/quality of imported animals. The quoted conclusion you made from this story is exactly the reaction that the petition wants to elicit.
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Yeah, i really can't get into the mindset of meat-eaters getting utterly enraged about the killing of a cow. You are totally fine with killing cows to eat them, or with killing cows to make sure the cows you eat are not sick in any way. If one cow two farms over was diagnosed with mad cow disease, you would be completely cool with killing the totally unrelated cow just to make sure that your burger is free from that. But if you can somehow trace the killing of a cow back to an EU regulation, it suddenly becomes utterly horrific.
If you are truly serious about not killing cows, become a vegetarian, don't sign random online petitions that are clearly only designed to further anti-eu sentiments as opposed to actually accomplish anything.
If you think this is about the cow in any way, think for one second about how many cows are killed daily that you don't give a fuck about. This isn't about a cow, it is about people complaining about the EU.
And yes, meat is a luxury. Not with the meaning of "expensive" necessarily, because our mass farming industry has made meat quite cheap. But if you think about luxury vs necessity, which was clearly the point being made before, meat is clearly not a necessity. People survive quite well without meat. Thus, meat is something you consume for your enjoyment on top of the necessary, it is a luxury.
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and that's why you neos are losing and will continue to lose; you're all off your fucking rocker.
it's this simple: paper(bureaucracy) vs cow => cow always wins by virtue of it being alive.
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On June 03 2018 23:57 xM(Z wrote:
and that's why you neos are losing and will continue to lose; you're all off your fucking rocker.
it's this simple: paper(bureaucracy) vs cow => cow always wins by virtue of it being alive.
neos? neowhats? ther'es a VERY long list of things that are neoX. you need to be more specific.
also I don't see how cows are scissors.
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On June 03 2018 23:41 Simberto wrote:
Yeah, i really can't get into the mindset of meat-eaters getting utterly enraged about the killing of a cow. You are totally fine with killing cows to eat them, or with killing cows to make sure the cows you eat are not sick in any way. If one cow two farms over was diagnosed with mad cow disease, you would be completely cool with killing the totally unrelated cow just to make sure that your burger is free from that. But if you can somehow trace the killing of a cow back to an EU regulation, it suddenly becomes utterly horrific.
If you are truly serious about not killing cows, become a vegetarian, don't sign random online petitions that are clearly only designed to further anti-eu sentiments as opposed to actually accomplish anything.
If you think this is about the cow in any way, think for one second about how many cows are killed daily that you don't give a fuck about. This isn't about a cow, it is about people complaining about the EU.
And yes, meat is a luxury. Not with the meaning of "expensive" necessarily, because our mass farming industry has made meat quite cheap. But if you think about luxury vs necessity, which was clearly the point being made before, meat is clearly not a necessity. People survive quite well without meat. Thus, meat is something you consume for your enjoyment on top of the necessary, it is a luxury.
I'm ok with the cow being killed if she's sick. The problem is she is healthy and given the story that she has only crossed the border, then it doesn't seem there is a good reason to kill her.
And by saying "today it's a cow, tomorrow it's a person" I actually meant that you should be compassionate. Why kill the animal? Tell me one good reason in this particular case. Theory such as "cow could be sick" is already debunked by Serbian vet(s). And who the fuck cares if the EU is bashed? I'm for the EU, yet I don't think supporting the EU politically in this case is more important. Europeans like me won't wake up tomorrow, saying "hmmm, the EU wants to kill a cow, I must vote for Brexit/Frexit/etc"
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