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On May 25 2018 18:51 JWD[9] wrote:Show nested quote +We’re sorry. This site is temporarily unavailable.
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(403 error.) Tried to read my newspaper while abroad (billingsgazette.com) With the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) now legally binding, does that mean a number of websites, which reside outside the EU and don't have the traffic from EU to justify complying with it, have to be visited via proxy? Or will this have more serious implications?
Just wait a while until the websites/services have ensured compliance.
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For those who don't see the tweet:
Spain: PSOE (S&D) formally calls a vote of no-confidence in PM Mariano Rajoy (PP-EPP). C’s (ALDE) will push Rajoy to call new elections, and will only support the motion if he refuses.
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Is this significant? Usually vote of no-confidence doesn't mean much, it rarely succeeds.
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On May 26 2018 04:19 sc-darkness wrote:
Is this significant? Usually vote of no-confidence doesn't mean much, it rarely succeeds.
No idea, need Spanish people to give some insight. Since Rajoy is running a minority government, I guess he can fall?
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From across the border, it seems to me to be quite consequential. Podemos, PSOE and Ciudadanos want new elections and all have expressed desire to carry on a vote of no confidence. Ciudadanos' position here is instrumental, they smell blood and have been leading the polls recently, so they're obviously inclined to let the current political solution fall.
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Large victory (68/32) of the right to abortion in Ireland according to exit polls
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Percentage is still not high enough, but it's still nice the right side won. I guess most of "No" comes from older generations which are also significantly religious.
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On May 26 2018 19:55 sc-darkness wrote:
Percentage is still not high enough, but it's still nice the right side won. I guess most of "No" comes from older generations which are religious.
Indeed:
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Well, that's pretty normal then. I suspect liberals of the present might be conservatives of the future. Obviously, it's not always the case but you can't always teach an old dog new tricks. I think we should just try to persuade them, but we shouldn't be upset about it. We'll probably be similar when we get much older.
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On May 26 2018 20:20 sc-darkness wrote:
Well, that's pretty normal then. I suspect liberals of the present might be conservatives of the future. Obviously, it's not always the case but you can't always teach an old dog new tricks. I think we should just try to persuade them, but we shouldn't be upset about it. We'll probably be similar when we get much older.
I hope they put me down if this happens. It's the root of everything that is wrong in this world, people past a certain age that believe they can just "have their opinion", regardless of what impact that has for other people.
It's the most important lesson to learn, now that mankind has developed medicine and contraceptives that prevent old generations to just die and be overruled by new ones: You can't have a lifetime guarantee for things. Doesn't matter if some politician told you 30 years ago, you will have a great pension with 55 or that you have a specific right to "own" something for no matter how long you live. It doesn't work like that, things change and the equation needs to work out for everyone, else it's going to end in violence.. That means that you must never ever stop discussing and rethinking your opinions and you absolutely must not create conservative biased systems, like laws that do not run out or intervined systems that can't be changed.
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It's called democracy. Everyone has the right to have an opinion as long as it doesn't result in someone's harm. I'm not going to argue because I don't think there will be outcome from that.
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On May 26 2018 21:18 sc-darkness wrote:
It's called democracy. Everyone has the right to have an opinion as long as it doesn't result in someone's harm. I'm not going to argue because I don't think there will be outcome from that.
That's pretty much what I said. It's just not actually being practiced, because people tend to form opinions what harm is and force others to live by those morals, because they just don't want to see "that gay couple" or "our girls arm in arm with a nigger or arab or slav", allow people to compete in computer games, or skew the rules in favor of "that tradition" to make it competitive on the markted again, despite people stopping to give a shit about it.
If I ever become like that about things that young people enjoy in the future I hope they reactivate Ausschwitz for me again.
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Well, I'm not sure if you're really so conformist as you sound like, but if young people have a referendum tomorrow to have free iPhone from state, then you, as supposedly older generation, aren't expected to kill yourself in Ausschwitz. Instead, you're responsible to tell them to go to work and earn it. I'm just trying to say that sometimes people are wrong and you shouldn't give up if majority is against you. Younger people like us aren't much wiser than any other generation. We all make mistakes.
Democracy doesn't mean that minority should go kill themselves or give up. Opposition exists for a reason.
Edit: Also, rational part of human brain isn't fully developed until at least you're 25 years old. Even then it's not a guarantee they'll be right. For the record, I'm 26.
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On May 26 2018 21:36 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2018 21:18 sc-darkness wrote:
It's called democracy. Everyone has the right to have an opinion as long as it doesn't result in someone's harm. I'm not going to argue because I don't think there will be outcome from that. That's pretty much what I said. It's just not actually being practiced, because people tend to form opinions what harm is and force others to live by those morals, because they just don't want to see "that gay couple" or "our girls arm in arm with a nigger or arab or slav", allow people to compete in computer games, or skew the rules in favor of "that tradition" to make it competitive on the markted again, despite people stopping to give a shit about it. If I ever become like that about things that young people enjoy in the future I hope they reactivate Ausschwitz for me again.
This assumes that progress is linear and continuous, maybe the cool kids of the 2050s will be into theocracy. Maybe your vote will matter for stopping mandatory self-flagellation on Tuesdays.
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That's really not a good example. To get an iPhone you have to get the funds from someone for it, so that the state can buy or produce it. When two gay people marry noone else has to do anything.
There are obviously good arguments to give people iPhones in a social state of the 21st century though. Other generations got free land rights, books and other stuff often much more expensive to acquire or maintain than iPhones, that were appropriate for their time.
We all make mistakes. That's why we have to stay open-minded and always look back to the fundamental truth, that we must not implement rules that are fundamentally opposed to the freedom of people to act and the freedom of people to set their own goals, regardless of how much one fetizises about production goals, traditions or other rather arbitrary morals.
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On May 26 2018 22:17 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2018 21:36 Big J wrote:On May 26 2018 21:18 sc-darkness wrote:
It's called democracy. Everyone has the right to have an opinion as long as it doesn't result in someone's harm. I'm not going to argue because I don't think there will be outcome from that. That's pretty much what I said. It's just not actually being practiced, because people tend to form opinions what harm is and force others to live by those morals, because they just don't want to see "that gay couple" or "our girls arm in arm with a nigger or arab or slav", allow people to compete in computer games, or skew the rules in favor of "that tradition" to make it competitive on the markted again, despite people stopping to give a shit about it. If I ever become like that about things that young people enjoy in the future I hope they reactivate Ausschwitz for me again. This assumes that progress is linear and continuous, maybe the cool kids of the 2050s will be into theocracy. Maybe your vote will matter for stopping mandatory self-flagellation on Tuesdays.
I dont assume progress. Progress is a term that requires a set goal to progress to. There is no such goal, there are no angels or gods that tell us the purpose of life. I simply deny conservativism, which has the goal to not prgress, which is just as wrong as trying to progress somewhere by plan.
A theocracy is wrong because it forces nonbelievers under the rule of believers. If the believers want to strangle themselves I can't do anything about it. But dont fall under the false assumption that I will put myself under democratic authority in such a state. Democracy gives me a market weight to help determine goals and rules for society, it doesnt overrule the fundamental truths of liberalism though. It's just a better way to implement those rules than having a Führer, as everyone acts on their own interests in life, even those like me that have the interest to create social rulesets that let everyone live out their own interests as much as physically possible. I am well aware that most people dont share that view, either because they dont care or because they believe in some authoritarian necessities (which are once again just their own self-interests) or are straight anarchists (they would obviously say they are democrats, because they abide the rules) that use politics as just another tool to fullfill their own interests.
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I scored 98% progressive on Politiscale, even more than commie. The notion that I'll become conservative when I get old is comical to me. I'm definitely to the left of where I was when I was 20.
Here's what actually happens: most people develop their political beliefs when they're young and then stick to it. That's how we get the New Deal democrats, then a bunch of republicans under Eisenhower, the Reagan generation, and so on. The generation of our parents had their leftists crushed because the USSR failed, so they couldn't really continue with their beliefs and had to become more rightwing (or felt they had to anyway); hence the cancer that will later become neoliberalism. That's what we refer to when we say we become more rightwing when we grow older, but that's the exception not the rule.
Hey, hopefully austerity politics finally fail hard enough to be discarded and people now have a bunch of tales about how they were rightwing when they were young but they had to grow out of it. But I suspect it's more likely to tilt to the far right than the left, so the optimism isn't really there is it.
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On May 27 2018 00:14 Nebuchad wrote:
I scored 98% progressive on Politiscale, even more than commie. The notion that I'll become conservative when I get old is comical to me. I'm definitely to the left of where I was when I was 20.
Here's what actually happens: most people develop their political beliefs when they're young and then stick to it. That's how we get the New Deal democrats, then a bunch of republicans under Eisenhower, the Reagan generation, and so on. The generation of our parents had their leftists crushed because the USSR failed, so they couldn't really continue with their beliefs and had to become more rightwing (or felt they had to anyway); hence the cancer that will later become neoliberalism. That's what we refer to when we say we become more rightwing when we grow older, but that's the exception not the rule.
+1, it's a generational effect rather than age.
I got "only" 74% progressive on the test you mention, I am in danger of turning into a right-winger when I get old, HALP!
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On May 27 2018 00:14 Nebuchad wrote:
I scored 98% progressive on Politiscale, even more than commie. The notion that I'll become conservative when I get old is comical to me. I'm definitely to the left of where I was when I was 20.
same here dawg, there's more to this than age for sure.
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