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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
First “cuck” and now “woke”. I appreciate your ability to be completely unaware of these terms while still being a member of online communities. There is something pure about it Woke: A vague term used to describe becoming aware of racial injustice in the world. Someone becomes “woke”. It is used with derision at this point, as it became overused by performative white liberals in the US attempting to act like they cared about racial injustice. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10606 Posts
 But honestly, I also have problems with these terms. Like 50% of people only use them sarcastic and the other half is dead serious. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9108 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
Offtopic: The "blue pill, red pill" - scene is awefully worded. "Staying in wonderland" (red pill) sounds like staying in the matrix, "believing whatever you want to believe" (blue pill) sounds like getting to know the truth, when you lead up to it with a big monologue that is telling the world that Neo already knows/feels that something is off. | ||
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ByteCurious
19 Posts
On March 06 2018 00:07 Plansix wrote: It is in the same line for failed comedians. My gender identity is not a joke, Plansix. You're really showing your privilege, here. User was banned for this post. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On March 06 2018 01:05 Plansix wrote: First “cuck” and now “woke”. I appreciate your ability to be completely unaware of these terms while still being a member of online communities. There is something pure about it Woke: A vague term used to describe becoming aware of racial injustice in the world. Someone becomes “woke”. It is used with derision at this point, as it became overused by performative white liberals in the US attempting to act like they cared about racial injustice. I've literally never heard "cuck" or "unwoke" being used in real life face to face conversations. It's not part of my political sphere, being that I mainly recieve information from "mainstream" sources. Sometimes I feel like I am the only guy who reads newspapers here. TL is the only online forum with politics I have ever frequented. Lots of the stuff people seem to write online would never pass uncommented in real life, but apparently I am supposed to just let it go in online culture. What can I say? Online culture, and phrases which originate from online Americanisms is a foreign world to me. Since both "cuck" and "unwoke" appears to originate from both USA and online and from communities I am not part of; white supremacism and black lives matter respectively, it's hardly suprising that I would be unfamiliar with these terms. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17854 Posts
On March 06 2018 02:12 ByteCurious wrote: My gender identity is not a joke, Plansix. You're really showing your privilege, here. He never claimed it was. He just pointed you to the right line. You will be queueing with the failed comedians. I hope you enjoy "yo mama so fat" jokes... and bad jokes about gender equality. | ||
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VHbb
689 Posts
how is social justice warrior an insult? (I get 'how'.. but why are we at a point where people brag about not being politically correct..) this is a sad day for me I went through Berlusconi's victories in the past, I'm not new to political defeats, but this time I feel really depressed I was/am about to participate to a nation-wide competition for researcher position in Italy, as I always had the idea of going back there in my mind.. now, after 7 years abroad, for the first time I'm not sure it's a good idea I'm not a priori against the ideas and principle of 'the right', although I see myself reflected more by a left-leaning ideology, but this time left/right didn't matter, what has won is pure demagogy this is dangerous, we will have a nation lead by people who don't believe in vaccines (as if you could believe in it or not..), who demonstrated to stop one of the few excellent physics laboratories in Italy from performing an experiment because 'nuclear'.. and they might ally with the lowest and most despicable party of the last X years (Lega Nord) I don't even know what to write, it does not matter. It seems like politics now is picking a flag and defending it until the end: there is no honest discussion, you either are a fanatic for one of the parties, either you are disillusioned and without ideas.. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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Yurie
11692 Posts
On March 06 2018 03:34 Dangermousecatdog wrote: I've literally never heard "cuck" or "unwoke" being used in real life face to face conversations. It's not part of my political sphere, being that I mainly recieve information from "mainstream" sources. Sometimes I feel like I am the only guy who reads newspapers here. TL is the only online forum with politics I have ever frequented. Lots of the stuff people seem to write online would never pass uncommented in real life, but apparently I am supposed to just let it go in online culture. What can I say? Online culture, and phrases which originate from online Americanisms is a foreign world to me. Since both "cuck" and "unwoke" appears to originate from both USA and online and from communities I am not part of; white supremacism and black lives matter respectively, it's hardly suprising that I would be unfamiliar with these terms. I will have to second this opinion. It is not common in any news I've read or watched, nor on other places I've discussed politics either. Seems to be a uniquely US thing from hidden reaches of the net. Fine to use but don't assume people will know what you mean. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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Dan HH
Romania9024 Posts
On March 06 2018 05:28 LegalLord wrote: A proper anti-EU coalition does make for some strange alliances, that much is true. But in and of itself it's a worthy venture, so it's worth tolerating the contradictions. Worthy venture to what end? Neither Lega Nord nor M5S want to leave the EU, the former wants to leave the euro and the latter doesn't (although it's true that they might change their mind again). | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On March 06 2018 06:30 Plansix wrote: What about a Russian speaking international community? I seem to remember an argument that the Soviet bloc broke up because people refuses to assimilate. I seem to remember mostly a troll misinterpreting what I said and making a habit of repeating that everywhere. | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
I found this article on Italian politics enlightening (if long) | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXgPi1JWsAUYRDs.jpg) “What a mess!” Lowest participation in decades: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXe5RmRXkAAyvzC.jpg) Results: Right coalition: 37% + Show Spoiler + Lega (far-right): 17,4% FI (Berlusconi): 14% M5S: 32,6% Centre-left coalition: 22,8% + Show Spoiler + PD (Renzi): 18,7% No clear majority (316/630): + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXltutrWsAICluJ.jpg) Both the M5S (as the first party) and the Lega (as the main party in the first coalition) asked for the leadership. Those elections are another brilliant outcome of neoliberal “social-democrats,” who as usual leave only devastation in their wake. No more left in Italy, so remained only the M5S and the far-right to carry the “throw them all out” wave. Special mention to Renzi the Visionary: Oh my aching sides… Il rottomare to the bin. When I remember the Renzi mania among French mainstream columnists after he was appointed Prime minister: this young, dynamic, modern reformist blablabla, “Europe's good pupil,” the “rampart against populism” (mwahaha). Now the Italian Macron is gone—he resigned from the leadership of his party. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXhCzDTX0AAT9Mx.jpg) The PD lost 5 millions of votes since the European elections of 2014: 15% went to abstention, a third to other parties (17% to the M5S). Sociology of the vote: http://www.t-mag.it/2018/03/05/elezioni-2018-cosi-la-sociologia-del-voto/ Per age: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.t-mag.it/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/diapositiva_01.png) Crystal clear generation divide in the M5S vote… reverse mirror of the PD. Per profession: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.t-mag.it/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/diapositiva_04-768x431.png) ![[image loading]](http://www.t-mag.it/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/diapositiva_05.png ) The M5S gets 50% from the unemployed and 49% among students… Casalinga = housewife If someone talking Italian can help with Lav. aut.? Is it independent worker? Dip. = employee? Votes according to main problem perceived: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.t-mag.it/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/diapositiva_06-768x432.png) If I read Italian well: (1) lack of job (2) excessive taxes (3) security, immigration (4) low income? Who arrived first compared with unemployment: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXiLZ47WkAAPjOC.jpg) Massive North/South rift Vote per number of inhabitants (rural/urban): + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXjhck8W0AEi0e_.jpg) Vote for the M5S and the PD based on the GDP per capita of each region: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXiT_0zWkAASeAl.jpg ) ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXiXHDQXcAUjmSo.jpg ) Clearly the youth and people in difficulty used the M5S card to sanction their previous governments. On the other hand, the PD has such a macronist sociological profile! Interestingly, when commenting on the Italian vote, Macron chose to focus on “heavy migrant pressure”. Not only this allows him to justify his own policy in this matter (Salvini, the far-right leader, even said that “Macron is partially doing what I intend to do”: the right knows its kin ), contrary to his campaign promises; but this way he doesn't have to admit that Renzi was also defeated for his commitment to euroliberalism, since he's himself a poster boy of those policies. To explain those results, I guess that as usual authorized pundits will blame “populism” or migrants (or Russia, who knows). | ||
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