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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 05 2018 16:05 GMT
#21301
On March 06 2018 00:56 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2018 23:47 ByteCurious wrote:
On March 05 2018 23:14 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
two different lines for genders..


How very unwoke of them. Where would I queue as a demi-cloud Beethoven-the-dog-not-the-composer-gender?

Wtf is unwoke?

First “cuck” and now “woke”. I appreciate your ability to be completely unaware of these terms while still being a member of online communities. There is something pure about it

Woke: A vague term used to describe becoming aware of racial injustice in the world. Someone becomes “woke”. It is used with derision at this point, as it became overused by performative white liberals in the US attempting to act like they cared about racial injustice.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10694 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-05 16:12:54
March 05 2018 16:09 GMT
#21302
Just wait for the red pill

But honestly, I also have problems with these terms. Like 50% of people only use them sarcastic and the other half is dead serious.
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9188 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-05 16:15:13
March 05 2018 16:14 GMT
#21303
Woke means something like "politically enlightened", but it sounds so silly that most people use it ironically. It's not necessarily related to race issues.
You're now breathing manually
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
March 05 2018 16:31 GMT
#21304
Why do I google that shit? I guess I must be more catholic than I thought I am, hurting myself like that...

Offtopic: The "blue pill, red pill" - scene is awefully worded. "Staying in wonderland" (red pill) sounds like staying in the matrix, "believing whatever you want to believe" (blue pill) sounds like getting to know the truth, when you lead up to it with a big monologue that is telling the world that Neo already knows/feels that something is off.
ByteCurious
Profile Joined January 2018
19 Posts
March 05 2018 17:12 GMT
#21305
On March 06 2018 00:07 Plansix wrote:
It is in the same line for failed comedians.


My gender identity is not a joke, Plansix. You're really showing your privilege, here.

User was banned for this post.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-05 18:35:24
March 05 2018 18:34 GMT
#21306
On March 06 2018 01:05 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2018 00:56 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On March 05 2018 23:47 ByteCurious wrote:
On March 05 2018 23:14 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
two different lines for genders..


How very unwoke of them. Where would I queue as a demi-cloud Beethoven-the-dog-not-the-composer-gender?

Wtf is unwoke?

First “cuck” and now “woke”. I appreciate your ability to be completely unaware of these terms while still being a member of online communities. There is something pure about it

Woke: A vague term used to describe becoming aware of racial injustice in the world. Someone becomes “woke”. It is used with derision at this point, as it became overused by performative white liberals in the US attempting to act like they cared about racial injustice.

I've literally never heard "cuck" or "unwoke" being used in real life face to face conversations. It's not part of my political sphere, being that I mainly recieve information from "mainstream" sources. Sometimes I feel like I am the only guy who reads newspapers here. TL is the only online forum with politics I have ever frequented. Lots of the stuff people seem to write online would never pass uncommented in real life, but apparently I am supposed to just let it go in online culture. What can I say? Online culture, and phrases which originate from online Americanisms is a foreign world to me. Since both "cuck" and "unwoke" appears to originate from both USA and online and from communities I am not part of; white supremacism and black lives matter respectively, it's hardly suprising that I would be unfamiliar with these terms.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17976 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-05 18:49:31
March 05 2018 18:36 GMT
#21307
On March 06 2018 02:12 ByteCurious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2018 00:07 Plansix wrote:
It is in the same line for failed comedians.


My gender identity is not a joke, Plansix. You're really showing your privilege, here.

He never claimed it was. He just pointed you to the right line. You will be queueing with the failed comedians. I hope you enjoy "yo mama so fat" jokes... and bad jokes about gender equality.
VHbb
Profile Joined October 2014
689 Posts
March 05 2018 18:47 GMT
#21308
the fact that political correct and respect for others became things to mock, it is one of the saddest of this period
how is social justice warrior an insult? (I get 'how'.. but why are we at a point where people brag about not being politically correct..)

this is a sad day for me
I went through Berlusconi's victories in the past, I'm not new to political defeats, but this time I feel really depressed

I was/am about to participate to a nation-wide competition for researcher position in Italy, as I always had the idea of going back there in my mind.. now, after 7 years abroad, for the first time I'm not sure it's a good idea


I'm not a priori against the ideas and principle of 'the right', although I see myself reflected more by a left-leaning ideology, but this time left/right didn't matter, what has won is pure demagogy
this is dangerous, we will have a nation lead by people who don't believe in vaccines (as if you could believe in it or not..), who demonstrated to stop one of the few excellent physics laboratories in Italy from performing an experiment because 'nuclear'.. and they might ally with the lowest and most despicable party of the last X years (Lega Nord)

I don't even know what to write, it does not matter. It seems like politics now is picking a flag and defending it until the end: there is no honest discussion, you either are a fanatic for one of the parties, either you are disillusioned and without ideas..
My life for Aiur !
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
March 05 2018 18:50 GMT
#21309
Most preferable would be an M5S-led coalition, as tough as that seems to be to arrange in this environment.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11817 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-05 20:21:12
March 05 2018 20:21 GMT
#21310
On March 06 2018 03:34 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2018 01:05 Plansix wrote:
On March 06 2018 00:56 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On March 05 2018 23:47 ByteCurious wrote:
On March 05 2018 23:14 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
two different lines for genders..


How very unwoke of them. Where would I queue as a demi-cloud Beethoven-the-dog-not-the-composer-gender?

Wtf is unwoke?

First “cuck” and now “woke”. I appreciate your ability to be completely unaware of these terms while still being a member of online communities. There is something pure about it

Woke: A vague term used to describe becoming aware of racial injustice in the world. Someone becomes “woke”. It is used with derision at this point, as it became overused by performative white liberals in the US attempting to act like they cared about racial injustice.

I've literally never heard "cuck" or "unwoke" being used in real life face to face conversations. It's not part of my political sphere, being that I mainly recieve information from "mainstream" sources. Sometimes I feel like I am the only guy who reads newspapers here. TL is the only online forum with politics I have ever frequented. Lots of the stuff people seem to write online would never pass uncommented in real life, but apparently I am supposed to just let it go in online culture. What can I say? Online culture, and phrases which originate from online Americanisms is a foreign world to me. Since both "cuck" and "unwoke" appears to originate from both USA and online and from communities I am not part of; white supremacism and black lives matter respectively, it's hardly suprising that I would be unfamiliar with these terms.


I will have to second this opinion. It is not common in any news I've read or watched, nor on other places I've discussed politics either. Seems to be a uniquely US thing from hidden reaches of the net. Fine to use but don't assume people will know what you mean.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
March 05 2018 20:21 GMT
#21311
It's pretty hard not rejoicing a tiny bit when I read in our right-wing newspapers about M5S. Funny how fast they turn against populism when they party isn't coming from the far-right. It feels like some of those right-wing newspapers would rather openly support Hitler than discuss ideas like a basic income or lower work hours.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
March 05 2018 20:28 GMT
#21312
A proper anti-EU coalition does make for some strange alliances, that much is true. But in and of itself it's a worthy venture, so it's worth tolerating the contradictions.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9118 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-05 20:53:12
March 05 2018 20:51 GMT
#21313
On March 06 2018 05:28 LegalLord wrote:
A proper anti-EU coalition does make for some strange alliances, that much is true. But in and of itself it's a worthy venture, so it's worth tolerating the contradictions.

Worthy venture to what end? Neither Lega Nord nor M5S want to leave the EU, the former wants to leave the euro and the latter doesn't (although it's true that they might change their mind again).
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
March 05 2018 20:54 GMT
#21314
That much is true. But we do have to start somewhere, and undermining any notion of a pro-integration Italy (as a core nation within the EU trio) is a great place to start.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-05 21:16:36
March 05 2018 21:09 GMT
#21315
I remember you used to be in favor of forcefully assimilating (or getting rid of) peoples into a nation state. What happened that you flip flopped so hard? Is the EU not moving fast enough for you? Not violently enough? Should they start with Russians? Ar you feeling left out of the integration party?
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
March 05 2018 21:24 GMT
#21316
Dunno what the context is, could have honestly been any number of things. Depends how long ago you're talking. I will say that I had a more positive opinion of the EU in the past - though more recent failures have forced me to reconsider. I do sympathize with the fact that those who benefit strongly from its existence are over-represented on an English-speaking international community, but I do think that seeing it come apart would be for the best in the long run.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-05 21:31:42
March 05 2018 21:30 GMT
#21317
What about a Russian speaking international community? I seem to remember an argument that the Soviet bloc broke up because people refuses to assimilate.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-05 21:36:19
March 05 2018 21:34 GMT
#21318
On March 06 2018 06:30 Plansix wrote:
What about a Russian speaking international community? I seem to remember an argument that the Soviet bloc broke up because people refuses to assimilate.

I seem to remember mostly a troll misinterpreting what I said and making a habit of repeating that everywhere.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
March 05 2018 22:07 GMT
#21319
https://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n10/perry-anderson/the-italian-disaster#fn-02

I found this article on Italian politics enlightening (if long)
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
March 06 2018 11:37 GMT
#21320
Summary of the Italian elections:

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“What a mess!”


Lowest participation in decades:

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Results:
Right coalition: 37% + Show Spoiler +
Lega (far-right): 17,4%
FI (Berlusconi): 14%

M5S: 32,6%
Centre-left coalition: 22,8% + Show Spoiler +
PD (Renzi): 18,7%


No clear majority (316/630):

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Both the M5S (as the first party) and the Lega (as the main party in the first coalition) asked for the leadership.



Those elections are another brilliant outcome of neoliberal “social-democrats,” who as usual leave only devastation in their wake. No more left in Italy, so remained only the M5S and the far-right to carry the “throw them all out” wave.

Special mention to Renzi the Visionary:



Oh my aching sides… Il rottomare to the bin. When I remember the Renzi mania among French mainstream columnists after he was appointed Prime minister: this young, dynamic, modern reformist blablabla, “Europe's good pupil,” the “rampart against populism” (mwahaha). Now the Italian Macron is gone—he resigned from the leadership of his party.

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The PD lost 5 millions of votes since the European elections of 2014: 15% went to abstention, a third to other parties (17% to the M5S).



Sociology of the vote:

http://www.t-mag.it/2018/03/05/elezioni-2018-cosi-la-sociologia-del-voto/

Per age:

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Crystal clear generation divide in the M5S vote… reverse mirror of the PD.


Per profession:

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The M5S gets 50% from the unemployed and 49% among students…

Casalinga = housewife
If someone talking Italian can help with Lav. aut.? Is it independent worker? Dip. = employee?


Votes according to main problem perceived:

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If I read Italian well: (1) lack of job (2) excessive taxes (3) security, immigration (4) low income?


Who arrived first compared with unemployment:

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Massive North/South rift


Vote per number of inhabitants (rural/urban):

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Vote for the M5S and the PD based on the GDP per capita of each region:

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Clearly the youth and people in difficulty used the M5S card to sanction their previous governments. On the other hand, the PD has such a macronist sociological profile!

Interestingly, when commenting on the Italian vote, Macron chose to focus on “heavy migrant pressure”. Not only this allows him to justify his own policy in this matter (Salvini, the far-right leader, even said that “Macron is partially doing what I intend to do”: the right knows its kin ), contrary to his campaign promises; but this way he doesn't have to admit that Renzi was also defeated for his commitment to euroliberalism, since he's himself a poster boy of those policies.

To explain those results, I guess that as usual authorized pundits will blame “populism” or migrants (or Russia, who knows).
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