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Acrofales
Spain18262 Posts
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On March 08 2018 18:04 Mafe wrote: Yet I found the basic principle and presentation to be at times highly condescending, as it was occasionally presented in an expedition-into-the-unknown tone. This so much. It's the same thing in France when some journalists go to the suburbs, it reads like someone visiting a zoo... | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
The ministry of justice was not informed, no comment from the chancellor or other conservatives. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On March 09 2018 07:49 Big J wrote: Seems like the far-right is purging and overtaking the constitutional protection, our main antiterror, antiextremism organization. Leading public servants are being interrogated and replaced by FPÖ-staff "due to corruption" and other accusations which seem to be fake. Armed police forces under the control of the FPÖ have stolen data about ongoing investigations into terrorism and extremism, including material on right-wing extremist FPÖ-members. The ministry of justice was not informed, no comment from the chancellor or other conservatives. That sounds...pretty bad :X And of course they are called 'freedom party' | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On March 09 2018 08:12 Dangermousecatdog wrote: I am guessing this is the same FPÖ that claims not to have ties to the same extremist groups they have stolen data on. It's not only that kind of data though. This does not only mean that the FPÖ and the regular police have accessed classified information on extremists (including far-right extremists in the ranks of the FPÖ but also political opponents on the far-left and extremists/terrorists in general), this means in Austria the interior minister and the regular police can apparently access information that have been shared by allied secret services. It can be expected that the Austrian secret service will be cut off from European partnerships at this point. In particular since the pro-Russian stance and open the partnership with the "United Russia" party of the FPÖ was worrisome for them in the first place. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
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Yurie
12082 Posts
On March 10 2018 02:43 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Trade wars starting, a political assassination, and Austrian government getting big plans. It must be that time of the century in Europe again. Aren't we four years too late to mirror WW1 and a few decades early for WW2? Wish the parallels were clearer to draw though, would be a good rallying call in politics. Likening the opponent with the people causing the two most recent big wars in Europe. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9296 Posts
Tariffs: we're on not even in a situation like this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_United_States_steel_tariff Assassination: normal Russian thing Austria: ?????????????? | ||
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[DUF]MethodMan
Germany1716 Posts
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mustaju
Estonia4504 Posts
On March 10 2018 03:04 [DUF]MethodMan wrote: Yeah, you just can't compare them. It would take a militia patrolling the streets, violence against minorities and so on. While the signs point towards a more chaotic decade in Europe, there is no such thing as the NSDAP anywhere, even with as much as the Eastern Europeans try. I wonder how these guys are doing? | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On March 10 2018 02:43 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Trade wars starting, a political assassination, and Austrian government getting big plans. It must be that time of the century in Europe again. Denmark is about to shut down the entire (well nearly: 440,000 workers) public sector in April due to a lockout from the state, regions, and communes in response to the threat of a 10% strike from the workers in the public sector after negations of wages and working hours collapsed. The good old days indeed. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11799 Posts
On March 10 2018 03:04 [DUF]MethodMan wrote: Yeah, you just can't compare them. It would take a militia patrolling the streets, violence against minorities and so on. While the signs point towards a more chaotic decade in Europe, there is no such thing as the NSDAP anywhere, even with as much as the Eastern Europeans try. The NSDAP wasn't really a thing like the NSDAP either until a few years before they took power. They were basically irrelevant until the late 1920s. Stuff can go to shit rather quickly. | ||
Nixer
2774 Posts
Activity has tapered off together with dwindling active members. Wasn't relevant a couple years ago and sure isn't now, pretty much just like a biker gang still. | ||
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mustaju
Estonia4504 Posts
On March 10 2018 16:16 Nixer wrote: Activity has tapered off together with dwindling active members. Wasn't relevant a couple years ago and sure isn't now, pretty much just like a biker gang still. Thank you for the feedback. They became rather large for a short while here, then disappeared, but we don't have any immigrants for them to harass either. Having the perspective of people from other countries is useful in order not to overgeneralize. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
This is rather a congress of crisis, there is a general state of disillusionment within the party after the fiasco of the présidentielle and the législative (the FN could not even get a group). According to one poll, Le Pen's image worsened a lot since her failed debate vs Macron, to the point where she lost most of the benefits of her work since 2011. Welcome to 2018 France, where getting 11 millions of votes in the second round as a far-right party is a failure...  | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
Chancellor Sebastian Kurz has critizised the former government on migration issues due to of a knife attack of an asylum seeker that should have been deported already. Last foreign and integration minister: Sebastian Kurz (ÖVP) Last interior minister in charge of deportations: Wolfgang Sobotka (ÖVP) Background of our very silent chancellor suddenly being outspoken on something (as always: migration) seems to be diversion of the actual story of the last days, the theft of secret service data by the regular police. | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
Here's a biased perspective in mediocre English because I can't be bothered to improve upon it: https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/83lnpn/a_comprehensive_guide_to_the_dutch_referendum_on/dvirlqm/ On the 21st March, a referendum will take place on the new intelligence act, which has already been put into force preliminary. In short: With this law it'll be possible for intelligence agencies (the AIVD and the MIVD) to obtain online communications and information on a huge scale, even from innocent civilians, starting in 2018. In addition, in some cases it'll be possible to get access to databases of other instances. All this information can be (even without it being analysed) shared with other (foreign) intelligence agencies. It will be allowed to start a secret DNA databank, where every civilian can be placed in. Futhermore, the secret intelligence agencies will be able to hack all automated devices, like your phone, computer, smart-tv and pacemaker. The following groups and institutions have expressed their concerns regarding this proposal: - Raad van State (Council of State), the highest constitutionally established advisory body to the Dutch Government, has ruled this proposal to be conflicting with the European Convention on Human Rights (by the European Council). - four (ex-)courts of the Dutch Supreme Court of the Netherlands have said this proposal should not be allowed in its current form - privacy pressure groups (Bits of Freedom) - technology experts All advices have been neglected. The Dutch government has literally neglected the highest courts and all experts in order to spy on its own citizens. We laugh on Trump, on how he fights the jurisdiction. The so politically correct coalition parties do exactly the same over here. Thanks to a citizen initiative, we have been able to pull of a referendum about this act. However, CDA's (coalition party) leader Sybrand Buma outed he intends to ignore the outcome of the upcoming referendum on the intelligence agencies on forehand. According to him, the entire coalition of VVD, CDA, D66 and ChristenUnie thinks the same. He said he wants to push through the new intelligence and security act, regardless of what citizens thinks of it. “We are not going to consider this referendum as a real referendum”, Buma said. That's going to be the second referendum in a row that's ignored by our government. A pattern appears to be emerging. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
I'm not sure how I feel about it. These referendums get high-jacked by all sides to assign all sorts of meanings other than the actual referendum topic to the votes (nobody cared about Ukraine during the referendum about Ukraine treaty), and every side claims the results of non-voters for their own cause. (ie 'oh 60% didn't vote that means they were against the proposal', while that is totally not a clear cut conclusion). So it was a pretty shitty way to use referendums any way. I hate the spying law that this referendum is about though so it would be nice if voting had the power to stop it, but it doesn't. There's absolutely not a big enough safety problem that we should all open our buttholes to the intelligence agencies but that's the plan now I guess. | ||
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