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I just finished reading all 5 books on my iPad. I haven't read so good fantasy since Silmarillion.
But now I just feel can't just the big fucking clash against the Others begin (yeah I love huge battles).
I think the Others will blow the real Horn of Joramun and bring down the wall and then clean sweep Westeros. The Saviors will only be the Old Gods and Lord of Light Rhllor + the 3 Dragons with Daenerys, Prince Aegon and Tyrion mounted on each Dragon. The prophecy said a Lion and a prince also should be mounted, the dragon had 3 heads.
The other Gods like The Seven and the Drowned God doesn't have any actual power as far as I'm concerned.
Why do you speculate that Arya will be sent to kill Jon, I haven't seen those signs in the books???
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To me The Seven are the gods of science, they thrived in the period between the colapse of the valyrian empire up until the sighting of the comet. A world the maesters were able to use scientific reasoning the justify everything. Their power comes from their family values and social code spread (analogus to modern monothestic religon?)
However the greatest plot element is the reintroduction of magic into the world (dragons, others, R'hlor). With this we will pretty much see nothing come from The Seven and the Drowned god. So... yeah totally agree with the post above ^^
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And It's about time Asshai will be introduced in the upcoming book/books. I quite sure Daenerys will go there ((prophecy again, to go north (Westeros) you have to go south (Asshai)). She will probably learn to master the Dragons in Asshai and the followers of R'hllor will tell her she is the real Azor Ahai just like Maester Aeamon predicted before his death.
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I think you're dead on with the Wall and Horn and Gods and dragons. Though I hope Bran wargs into one rather than Aegon riding one.
Im thinking the you have to go south to go north is going to be involved in Westeros. I don't know if the Others are going to make it all the way through Westeros. Might only fuck up the north before Dany realizes it to go save them... who knows? Hard to say. I know I'll be disappointed if Dany ends up going to fuckin Asshai next book. I also wouldn't be surprised if it is Jon Snow that turns out to be Azor Ahai, because its just too fuckin obvious a path GRRM is leading us down with Dany being Azor Ahai. Its just not his style to stick to his guns.
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On February 17 2012 06:58 Flik wrote:
I think you're dead on with the Wall and Horn and Gods and dragons. Though I hope Bran wargs into one rather than Aegon riding one.
Im thinking the you have to go south to go north is going to be involved in Westeros. I don't know if the Others are going to make it all the way through Westeros. Might only fuck up the north before Dany realizes it to go save them... who knows? Hard to say. I know I'll be disappointed if Dany ends up going to fuckin Asshai next book. I also wouldn't be surprised if it is Jon Snow that turns out to be Azor Ahai, because its just too fuckin obvious a path GRRM is leading us down with Dany being Azor Ahai. Its just not his style to stick to his guns.
Yes I know a speculate without backing it up with quotes and facts, but that's just my thoughts. But think about the Wall and the Others for a second, the Wall has magic defense built in against the White walkers. So there is no way they can breach the Wall as long as it stands. So why does the author keep bringing up the Horn of Joramun if it will not be found. That's the only item that threatens the Walls existence and it says it is located somewhere north of the Wall aka enemy territory.
So I don't think it so damn far-sighted assumption.
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About Azor Ahai: I'm not sure but I think you have to have dragonblood in u to even be able to be Azor Ahai and the Baratheons have a small amount of it in their line. Therefore Melisandre thinks Stannis is the Azor Ahai because she doesn't realize that Daenerys was born on Dragonstone during the big storm as the prophecy says and Daenerys has obviously dragonblood in her.
With that I don't see the possibility for Jon Snow to be Azor Ahai.
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^ MAJOR SPOILERS (though that doesn't seem to be a problem in this thread):
A big theory is that Jon Snow is the bastard son of Lyanna and...Rhaegar. Which means dragon blood.
Which really points to Jon being Azor Ahai.
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On February 17 2012 13:56 dave333 wrote:
^ MAJOR SPOILERS (though that doesn't seem to be a problem in this thread):
A big theory is that Jon Snow is the bastard son of Lyanna and...Rhaegar. Which means dragon blood.
Which really points to Jon being Azor Ahai.
Very interesting, but it says Jons mother was named Wyllas a fisherwoman. Maybe a cover-up?
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On February 17 2012 14:21 InDaHouse wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 13:56 dave333 wrote:
^ MAJOR SPOILERS (though that doesn't seem to be a problem in this thread):
A big theory is that Jon Snow is the bastard son of Lyanna and...Rhaegar. Which means dragon blood.
Which really points to Jon being Azor Ahai. Very interesting, but it says Jons mother was named Wyllas a fisherwoman. Maybe a cover-up?
There's a number of theories...this sums it up pretty well
http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/mlarchives/faq/jon.html
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On February 17 2012 13:56 dave333 wrote:
^ MAJOR SPOILERS (though that doesn't seem to be a problem in this thread):
A big theory is that Jon Snow is the bastard son of Lyanna and...Rhaegar. Which means dragon blood.
Which really points to Jon being Azor Ahai.
Actually it points to Jon being "the prince that was promised", a prophecy that Raegar was obsessed with. If he is also Azor Ahai that remains to be seen and will be known in the next book by the way he gets revived by whoever. That act of being reborn will need to fit Azor Ahai prophecy.
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Thanks for the link man. But this FAQ was written before A Dance with Dragons right? Is there any information when the sixth book Winds of Winter will be out?
Edit: Well, I will answer my question myself. There is no date set and he GRRM was supposed to start write in 2012. So a couple of years I suppose  .
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Last I heard Martin will not start writting until 2013.
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On February 17 2012 15:38 InDaHouse wrote:Thanks for the link man. But this FAQ was written before A Dance with Dragons right? Is there any information when the sixth book Winds of Winter will be out? Edit: Well, I will answer my question myself. There is no date set and he GRRM was supposed to start write in 2012. So a couple of years I suppose .
I think GRRM is kind of done with the series, or maybe even done with writing in general.
He is pretty old, he has finally made his fortune and he has plenty of other things he could be doing in his time. Even if he never wrote another book, the TV-series and season box sales would provide him with an income that most of us can only dream about.
People give him too much credit for his 5 year pauzes in between his last two books. He doesn't spend all his time working and crafting them too perfection. They are actually the most boring two books in the series, so far.
I don't think he owes the series to anyone. If he decides to stop writing it and never tell the ending to anyone, that is his choice. I would prefer he didn't, but if that was his choice, whatever.
But I don't think people should blindly praise him either.
It is obvious that his 5 year breaks have not been related to the quality of the books (which has only dropped since).
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On February 17 2012 19:28 -Archangel- wrote:
Last I heard Marting will not start writting until 2013.
That makes no sense being he already has released a chapter from TWOW
http://georgerrmartin.com/if-sample.html
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That was a chapter he wrote for DWD but didn't fit into the book. However, he did say at some point he'd start writing in 2012, not 2013. Nobody really knows anything and we should probably treat ASOIAF books like Blizzard games: they're done when they're done.
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On February 17 2012 14:33 antelope591 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 14:21 InDaHouse wrote:On February 17 2012 13:56 dave333 wrote:
^ MAJOR SPOILERS (though that doesn't seem to be a problem in this thread):
A big theory is that Jon Snow is the bastard son of Lyanna and...Rhaegar. Which means dragon blood.
Which really points to Jon being Azor Ahai. Very interesting, but it says Jons mother was named Wyllas a fisherwoman. Maybe a cover-up? There's a number of theories...this sums it up pretty well http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/mlarchives/faq/jon.html
Very nice analysis right there. GRRM is smart to leave his options open.
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On February 17 2012 20:00 zalz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 15:38 InDaHouse wrote:Thanks for the link man. But this FAQ was written before A Dance with Dragons right? Is there any information when the sixth book Winds of Winter will be out? Edit: Well, I will answer my question myself. There is no date set and he GRRM was supposed to start write in 2012. So a couple of years I suppose . I think GRRM is kind of done with the series, or maybe even done with writing in general. He is pretty old, he has finally made his fortune and he has plenty of other things he could be doing in his time. Even if he never wrote another book, the TV-series and season box sales would provide him with an income that most of us can only dream about. People give him too much credit for his 5 year pauzes in between his last two books. He doesn't spend all his time working and crafting them too perfection. They are actually the most boring two books in the series, so far. I don't think he owes the series to anyone. If he decides to stop writing it and never tell the ending to anyone, that is his choice. I would prefer he didn't, but if that was his choice, whatever. But I don't think people should blindly praise him either. It is obvious that his 5 year breaks have not been related to the quality of the books (which has only dropped since).
I totally agree with you on the quality of the novels.
Books one and three were some of the most captivating books I've ever read, books two and four were nothing special at all and book five was one of the worst books I've actually read to completion. The guy is probably just a big fat bearded troll - killing off his likeable characters, writing two great books and then making the rest garbage not to mention the filthy disgusting "OH WAIT 5 YEARS TO SEE IF HE LIVES LOLOL" cliffhangers. The guy is a fucking master troll and fans have taken the bait. You're even chomping at the bit to get more. GRRM probably has trouble getting to sleep most nights because he can't stop laughing.
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On February 17 2012 20:00 zalz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 15:38 InDaHouse wrote:Thanks for the link man. But this FAQ was written before A Dance with Dragons right? Is there any information when the sixth book Winds of Winter will be out? Edit: Well, I will answer my question myself. There is no date set and he GRRM was supposed to start write in 2012. So a couple of years I suppose . I think GRRM is kind of done with the series, or maybe even done with writing in general. He is pretty old, he has finally made his fortune and he has plenty of other things he could be doing in his time. Even if he never wrote another book, the TV-series and season box sales would provide him with an income that most of us can only dream about. People give him too much credit for his 5 year pauzes in between his last two books. He doesn't spend all his time working and crafting them too perfection. They are actually the most boring two books in the series, so far. I don't think he owes the series to anyone. If he decides to stop writing it and never tell the ending to anyone, that is his choice. I would prefer he didn't, but if that was his choice, whatever. But I don't think people should blindly praise him either. It is obvious that his 5 year breaks have not been related to the quality of the books (which has only dropped since).
I don't agree with you. You are looking at this whole thing from book by book perspective and not by the whole series perspective. Both about Martin not needing to finish the series or about the perceived quality of this or that book.
For the whole series books 4 and 5 gave us more details and more clues. First 3 books actually tell a tale that is within the same world but not the main theme of the series (well game of thrones kind of is and by that I am not talking about name of book 1). They are kind of a tale within themselves. We barely glimpse at the whole picture. Books 4 and 5 show us that whole picture or better to say they let us get close to it but not study it in detail 
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On February 17 2012 20:22 Acrofales wrote:That was a chapter he wrote for DWD but didn't fit into the book. However, he did say at some point he'd start writing in 2012, not 2013. Nobody really knows anything and we should probably treat ASOIAF books like Blizzard games: they're done when they're done.
Still why post a preview chapter included in the next book (regardless of when it was written) if you don't plan to write the book at all? He's always seemed like a pretty nice guy to me not like the huge dick the guy above makes him seem so I do expect him to finish out the series. But we'll see what happens.
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Pretty sure he'll finish the books... Especially now that the series has exploded with HBO and tons of new readers coming to the series. If he didn't finish it there would be a lot of complaining. Plus this guy writes for a living. He obviously loves it and enjoys it. And this series is his baby... he'll finish it
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