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On February 10 2012 18:43 houseurmusic wrote:
in dance with dragons does anyone feel that the actions leading to Jon Snow's death were inconsistent with his character? He spent so much time and resources building the walls defenses then he wants to take 1000s of men to take back winterfell? Also, besides the the incedent in AGOT he has stayed very loyal to wall even after word of the red wedding.
I feel like it was as a last minute idea by GRRM as a cliff hanger for TWOW. I'm pretty sure the red priestest is going to bring him back.
He's fucking Jon Snow man, he doesn't need a priestess to bring him back to life. IMO it's going to be like the first chapter in ADWD and he's going to go into ghost and come back as some other guy.
A my mate's thoughts about Arya:
and she's a warg
I am pretty sure
She will be sent to kill jon snow
BUT
she will have a different face on
And jon will look different cause he died and all
So they only time they realise whats going on is when she tries stabbing him with needles
neelde
needle
Because that sword has been kept in the book for some reason
Why else hasn't she lost it
I think I need a re read of the series though.
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Arya is a warg of course. She wargs into a cat in one of the scenes in the temple...
But why should Jon be the assasination target? Id rather think its Dani (because shes causing so much trouble) or someone in Kings Landing (because of the huge debt they owe).
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The faceless men want to kill the dragons and bring down the wall so that all of Westeros ends up dead. Afterall, their philosopy is that death isn't all bad and everyone is basically praying for it.
The others want to kill everyone, this makes them the only faction that the faceless men can get behind. They also only have one weakness, fire. An army of others would not be very threatening against a flying lizard that can breathe fire. So the dragons have to die first.
This explains why Jaqen H'gar is at the Citadel, because the maesters knew of a way to kill off the dragons.
This also explains how Arya is going to get thrown back into the story.
To me, that theory sounds so solid that I would rank it along with Jon being the titular "song of ice and fire."
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Just read the preview chapter
+ Show Spoiler +does anyone else think Bran is talking through the birds at the end? Or am I just crazy?
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On February 10 2012 19:22 Onegu wrote:Just read the preview chapter + Show Spoiler +does anyone else think Bran is talking through the birds at the end? Or am I just crazy?
If you look back a bit, it seems as though bran's talking to everyone throughout the entire series from the trees.
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There is a bran preview chapter? Link please.
I only read the Asha one.
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On February 10 2012 19:29 -Archangel- wrote:
There is a bran preview chapter? Link please.
I only read the Asha one.
I don't even want to read Bran chapters in the actuall book, let alone previews.
Seriously, Bran has got to be the most boring arc in the story. Maybe contested by Brienne.
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Its the Theon preview chapter. And the birds talking through the chapter. Just seemed to me for some reason Bran was worging the Ravens. I dont mind the Bran chapters the ones that bore me are the Sansa arcs, Glad she wasn't in ADwD.
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On February 10 2012 20:14 Onegu wrote:
Its the Theon preview chapter. And the birds talking through the chapter. Just seemed to me for some reason Bran was worging the Ravens. I dont mind the Bran chapters the ones that bore me are the Sansa arcs, Glad she wasn't in ADwD.
Sansa is one of the best if you can appreciate the development she's going through
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I dont mind the Sansa storyline. I just dont understand how she can so dumb and useless compared to her other siblings. I guess she is truly her mother's daugther. The Bran storyline really bored me. I feel like the author isnt really sure where he is going with Bran or maybe his vision isn't broad enough.
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Bran is going to end up being the most important character of them them all imo. He's going to become the "old gods" and speak through the trees. When Theon shows up at the grove to be executed shit is going to go down. He'll be able to tell everyone that the Stark line still lives. :D
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I feel like Theon still has some good role to play. I hate him and don't mind everything he's gotten so far, but GRRM must feel parts of Theon should be redeemed. Declaring that the Starks still live will certainly be huge, Im guessing it will rally most of the northmen to Stannis's side and the fall of the Boltons will begin. Theon has to do more than that though, for betraying his "brother" and getting the home he grew up in butchered, nothing short of him saving the north and dying himself will redeem him in my eyes.
Isn't Davos on the way to Skagos to rescue Rickon? I wonder what Manderly knew the whole time he was under Boltons nose. Also is Manderly dead? Cudos to the fat bastard, he was awesome this book. His quarrel with the Frey's is pretty great, loved the pie scene in Winterfell.
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I think Sansa's storyline is quite interesting mostly because of Littlefinger, you really get a good look at how awesome he is at scheming.
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I think Manderly's fat saved him, but it's been a little while since I read the book.
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How many years do you think we will have to wait?
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On February 11 2012 04:35 Attican wrote:
I think Sansa's storyline is quite interesting mostly because of Littlefinger, you really get a good look at how awesome he is at scheming.
I think Sansa is going to become a lot more interesting. She is clearly losing her innocence and with littlefinger as her teacher, she will probably grow up to be a Stark version of Cersei.
I think her point of view was very important to show us a different side of the seven kingdoms. It isn't just all scheming and dealing, some people truly bought into the "image" of knights and princesses.
She might not have been as fun as the more devious characters like Tyrion that revel in the corrupt world, but she was still important to establishing the world.
And her eventual evolution will prove to be an interesting one imo.
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OVER 9000!!! Kidding  I think maybe 2-3 optimistically but probably 5. >.<
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On February 11 2012 04:40 zalz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 04:35 Attican wrote:
I think Sansa's storyline is quite interesting mostly because of Littlefinger, you really get a good look at how awesome he is at scheming. I think Sansa is going to become a lot more interesting. She is clearly losing her innocence and with littlefinger as her teacher, she will probably grow up to be a Stark version of Cersei. I think her point of view was very important to show us a different side of the seven kingdoms. It isn't just all scheming and dealing, some people truly bought into the "image" of knights and princesses. She might not have been as fun as the more devious characters like Tyrion that revel in the corrupt world, but she was still important to establishing the world. And her eventual evolution will prove to be an interesting one imo.
If she properly learns from Littlefinger Sansa will be much smarter than Cersei, Littlefinger even mentions being surprised at how quickly Cersei is messing everything up in King's Landing, but I get what you mean by it.
It is useful for her to have bought into the romantic image of knights and princesses to make the overarching story good but it would have been nice if her character had started developing a bit faster.
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Littlefinger is the only redeeming quality in her chapters but in Feast when it is just her coming down the mountain with Robert Arryn so ZZZzzzZZZ.
I have a feeling Manderlys men with reach Stannis before the Freys and help crush the Freys, With one of the men telling Stannis that Davos is alive and currently going after Rikkon Stark. Then they will either ask Theon and he will confirm he didn't kill them. Or he will already be executed and they cant confirm anything. I think the second is more GRRM style though.
Jon Snow isn't dead there was a reason Mellisandre stayed with him instead of going with Stannis. Im sure she can do the same thing as Thoros and she has said her magic is stronger at the wall. I know they say the breath of fire doesn't always work, but still.
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Given that Jon is the most likely candidate for the Prince who was Promised, and his is the Song of Ice and Fire, he can't be dead. Whether he comes back on his own or Mellisandre has to bring him back is of little relevance, I have no doubts he'll be back in the next book, and not just in Ghost.
As for Arya being sent to kill him, I doubt she'll ever kill anyone she doesn't want to. She's being fast tracked through Faceless academy and has managed to hold onto her sense of self.
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