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Shooz29
Profile Joined April 2011
United States31 Posts
July 26 2014 05:37 GMT
#21
On July 26 2014 14:27 Gen.Rolly wrote:
Like I mentioned in the previous thread, an unnecessary political statement and a slap in the face of those who contribute to the site that do not share the same political views.


Acceptance of other human beings is not a political view. Get over yourself.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46294 Posts
July 26 2014 05:39 GMT
#22
On July 26 2014 14:27 Gen.Rolly wrote:
Like I mentioned in the previous thread, an unnecessary political statement and a slap in the face of those who contribute to the site that do not share the same political views.


Civil rights should not be a partisan platform, and bigotry should not be tolerated.
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21247 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-26 06:16:21
July 26 2014 06:16 GMT
#23
On July 26 2014 14:27 Gen.Rolly wrote:
Like I mentioned in the previous thread, an unnecessary political statement and a slap in the face of those who contribute to the site that do not share the same political views.


You're welcome to leave the site if this upsets you.
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quirinus
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Croatia2489 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-26 06:32:23
July 26 2014 06:31 GMT
#24
Gaaaaaay...

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...is ok!
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Pangpootata
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1838 Posts
July 26 2014 06:43 GMT
#25
On July 26 2014 14:27 Gen.Rolly wrote:
Like I mentioned in the previous thread, an unnecessary political statement and a slap in the face of those who contribute to the site that do not share the same political views.

You don't get it. TL is supporting acceptance of gays, not asking everyone to be gay.

If your political views are against being gay, then it's fine for you to not be gay yourself. But you should let other people with different views be gay if they really want to.
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22260 Posts
July 26 2014 07:11 GMT
#26
I just like the pretty colors.
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GettingIt
Profile Joined August 2011
1656 Posts
July 26 2014 07:31 GMT
#27
On July 26 2014 16:11 EvilTeletubby wrote:
I just like the pretty colors.


Me too I wish it would stay like that always
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
July 26 2014 07:55 GMT
#28
Rainbow horse is the best horse!
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
July 26 2014 08:23 GMT
#29
Thinking about it, I am quite happy that one of the few popular "big causes" of today that I fully support has adopted my favourite thing (colours!!!!) as its symbol.
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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
July 26 2014 08:36 GMT
#30
Came in like a raaaaainboooow
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r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
July 26 2014 08:39 GMT
#31
On July 26 2014 15:43 Pangpootata wrote:
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On July 26 2014 14:27 Gen.Rolly wrote:
Like I mentioned in the previous thread, an unnecessary political statement and a slap in the face of those who contribute to the site that do not share the same political views.

You don't get it. TL is supporting acceptance of gays, not asking everyone to be gay.

If your political views are against being gay, then it's fine for you to not be gay yourself. But you should let other people with different views be gay if they really want to.

I don't think that's the point that people are making who are annoyed by things like this. Want to be gay? Awesome. Same sex (non-religious) marriage? Awesome. Equal rights by all means? Awesome. We (as the western world) are already there (well, except for parts of America and Italy...). It's beating a dead horse, it's like asking to free slaves or to stop religious discrimination in the western world while gays in India get burned alive or while polyamory is still a concept that is in no shape or form accepted by any government (hell, I had arguments with gays and lesbians telling me that it should stay forbidden because it's indecent and against their cause).

This whole thing has turned from an equal rights movement to one huge party once in a while and it tends to be the most "up in your face" party of any similar kind. There are no Black Pride Parades, Jewish Pride Parades or Feminist Pride Parades that tell you LOOK AT US WE'RE X AND IT'S AWESOME TO BE X; I SAID LOOK AT US AND CELEBRATE US; IF YOU DON'T YOU'RE AN ASSHOLE - simply because those groups understood that celebrating something that should be considered normal makes it more weird instead of more normal.

The tip of the iceberg is a site like TL officially endorsing this, putting it above any and all possible things one could endorse. I don't recall a "Let's remember 9/11", "Let's give the horse a Martin Luther King outlook today" or "Let's do something for the First World War Centenary". Hell, the exact same case that made sodomy laws illegal in the US was used to prevent people from marrying multiple people if they so desire. No one cares despite a minority being criminalized for wanting to be happy with their loved ones. I'm all for supporting equal rights, equally. I'm just annoyed with picking one specific issue due to personal reasons and calling it "fighting for equal rights".
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OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-26 09:02:26
July 26 2014 09:00 GMT
#32
I don't think many Blacks, Jews, or Feminists feel the needs to hide who they are and lie to people for fear of persecution or ridicule. I'm pretty sure those demographics don't commit suicide at an alarming rate. All TL is doing (and they did the same thing last year) is showing support for people in the community, letting them know they have a place they can be themselves and not be afraid. TL has their back and there's nothing wrong, there's no need to hide, they're accepted here with open arms. As far as I'm concerned that's a good thing and there's nothing wrong with it.

There really aren't any logical arguments against polygamy, certainly I've never heard one. As long as it's between consenting adults wtf do I care? But this isn't really the place for that discussion.
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Deleuze
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom2102 Posts
July 26 2014 09:17 GMT
#33
Yay!
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SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
July 26 2014 09:17 GMT
#34
r.Evo, I agree with you.
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Bunn
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Estonia934 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-26 09:26:24
July 26 2014 09:25 GMT
#35
Implement this to TL HS and Dota as well!

Maybe this will allow humanity to move in the right direction. It might not seem that important issue when compared to, for example poverty or evil dictators, but I'm still convinced that in the long run this is for the best. People shouldn't be discriminated for their intimate beliefs. To those saying they're always rubbing their 'gay propaganda' under your nose, consider this: if you wouldn't get angry every time a gay person is in your sight, maybe there would be less of this so called 'propaganda'. It's none of your business what other people do when they're alone.
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42414 Posts
July 26 2014 09:41 GMT
#36
Good move, just as it was last year.
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Dalnore
Profile Joined May 2013
Russian Federation66 Posts
July 26 2014 10:01 GMT
#37
I appreciate your support. But I doubt the society in my country will become accepting anytime soon.
BTW the rainbow logo looks really cool.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-26 10:24:10
July 26 2014 10:06 GMT
#38
On July 26 2014 18:00 OuchyDathurts wrote:
I don't think many Blacks, Jews, or Feminists feel the needs to hide who they are and lie to people for fear of persecution or ridicule. I'm pretty sure those demographics don't commit suicide at an alarming rate. All TL is doing (and they did the same thing last year) is showing support for people in the community, letting them know they have a place they can be themselves and not be afraid. TL has their back and there's nothing wrong, there's no need to hide, they're accepted here with open arms. As far as I'm concerned that's a good thing and there's nothing wrong with it.

There really aren't any logical arguments against polygamy, certainly I've never heard one. As long as it's between consenting adults wtf do I care? But this isn't really the place for that discussion.

Just as an example since you brought that point up, while certainly significant and something that needs more effort put in it isn't an "alarming rate" if you compare it to suicide statistics of e.g. a race specific context. In a nutshell youth that reports as same-sex-attracted has the same ratio of suicide attempts compared to non-SSA youth as White People to Black People in their suicide rate. (Note that it's attempts vs rate, I couldn't find other data quickly. Also yes, Whites commit suicide 2x as much as Blacks and we don't consider it alarming either.)

Suicide attempts of reportedly same sex attracted youth is 1.6-2.5x that of their control group with the most significant increased risk factors being alcohol abuse, depression and Family members suicide/attempt (smaller one) while "feeling hopeless" or "being victimized" are not significantly increased risk factors.

e: Just to make it clear the main causes of the increased rates in suicide attempts is (for males) is alcohol abuse (70% higher), depression (20%), Family member's suicide/attempt (more than 100% but comparatively a very small factor) and Victimization (20%). For females it comes down to alcohol abuse (80%), depression (20%), Family member's suicide/attempt (50%, again very small factor) and Victimization (50%). However the huge huge point is that e.g. Depression and Alcohol abuse combined for boys is the cause for 26x more suicide attempts than them being victimized. For girls those two combined make up for almost 60x more suicide attempts than being victimized.

The point I'm trying to make with this is that the youth suicide attempt rate can be considered no issue at all when you look at violence against gays or lesbians. It is not even remotely close to what alcohol abuse and depression does to those kids. Where that comes from is another story and can't be solved by statistics but in no shape or form can one argue that the kids who have issues with themselves being attracted to the same sex need to be afraid of violence. Yes, physical violence against them is effectively gone.


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Depression inventory (CES-D)23 based on questions about the past week (items included “You were bothered by things that usually don't bother you,” “You felt depressed,” “You felt lonely,” and “You felt sad”; 0 = never or rarely, 3 = most of the time or all of the time; Cronbach α = 0.81 for boys and 0.85 for girls). The measure for alcohol abuse consisted of the sum of 9 items that indicate problems associated with alcohol use during the past 12 months (items included “You got into trouble with your parents because you had been drinking,” “You did something you later regretted because you had been drinking,” and “You were sick to your stomach or threw up after drinking”; 0 = never, 4 = 5 or more times). Items included in this measure are similar to ones typically used to indicate alcohol problems among adolescents.24 Two questions pertained to recent experiences with suicide: “Have any of your friends tried to kill themselves during the past 12 months?” and “Have any of your family tried to kill themselves during the past 12 months?” (When responses to these questions were affirmative, respondents were then asked “Have any of them succeeded?”) Finally, victimization experiences, because they have been linked to suicidality among gay and lesbian youths,5 were included as suicide risk factors. Victimization was measured with affirmative responses to any of the following 4 items: “Someone pulled a knife or gun on you,” “You were jumped,” “Someone shot you,” and “Someone cut or stabbed you” (1 = victimized).

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1446760/

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6213a7.htm?s_cid=mm6213a7_w

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Look, I think it's cool that TL wants to provide a platform that specifically aims to make feel LGBTers welcome. I think it's not cool that it gets celebrated as "acceptance of other human beings", as pro-"civil rights", "anti-bigotry" or making it about "all people should be treated with respect and dignity" (just quotes from the 1 1/2 pages we have so far). It's not. It's one specific cause, one specific issue that can for all intents and purposes be considered "positively solved" for the vast majority of the western world.

This, out of all the issues on this planet, is what TL chooses to officially support and nothing else. I don't recall anything else being officially backed up. That's what irks me. I would be just as annoyed if TL would exclusively celebrate a Black Pride Week with official logos or exclusively commemorate Feminism as some other examples.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Trasko
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden983 Posts
July 26 2014 10:47 GMT
#39
This is super. TL is great
Jaedong <3
HeatEXTEND
Profile Joined October 2012
Netherlands836 Posts
July 26 2014 10:52 GMT
#40
On July 26 2014 14:37 Shooz29 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2014 14:27 Gen.Rolly wrote:
Like I mentioned in the previous thread, an unnecessary political statement and a slap in the face of those who contribute to the site that do not share the same political views.


Acceptance of other human beings is not a political view.


This should work both ways (lol) though, which sadly it often times doesn't.


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