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Physician
United States4146 Posts
"The government is certainly aware of the growing trend, as it has given the green light to more game-related activities."
I honestly expect pro-gaming to reach the same Korean economical heights in time; less than 10 years from now if you want my estimate. That is of course if the Chinese government does not out law or restrict it. This is something that still could and has happened. So far they have been tentatively fostering it with some set backs in the past brought about mainly to exert a tighter control on the budding industry with the pretext of cyber cafe's fires and people wasting too much time on MMORPG's.
As I wrote a few years back if the 180 million (potential) Chinese gamers enter the market - welcome to a new world in e-sports..
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a copy/paste of recent main stream press News in China:
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1060253
Cyber athletes earn millions (of Yuan) in China Xinhua
BEIJING: Twenty-one-year-old Li Xiaofeng can champion himself as one of the highest-paid athletes in China.
However, one will never see Li competing at the Olympics or in the NBA. He is a professional E-game player, or cyber athlete who works out just as much as other athletes.
"I play 70 hours a week, just to keep my 'skills' from dropping," Li said. "I have to arrange my time really carefully so I don't spend too many hours in front of the computer to protect my eyes and my hands from getting exhausted."
Said a cyber competition organizer: "Top players who win cyber game competitions are rewarded with huge bonuses ranging from 100,000 to 1 million yuan ($12,660 to $126,600 US).
The players also earn a lot from sponsorships from game producers. So it is easy for them to earn one million yuan a year.
Li agrees the hard work is worth it. "The pay is good," he said. Warcraft III, Counter Strike, Starcraft: Broodwar and Winning Eleven are the four most popular cyber games at competitions.
China now has 23 million on-line game players, surging from 13.8 million in 2003. The China State Sport General Administration declared in 2003 that electronic sports were the 99th ranked sport activity.
Revenue from the country's on-line gaming sector alone is expected to reach nearly seven billion yuan ($886 million), with further predictions that it will double to 14.3 billion yuan ($1.8 billion) in 2010.
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Another source, more info: Shanghaidaily.com
Some old articles on the subject if you are interested in the subject and have not read them before.
The Future of e-Sports
Have Starcraft, Will Pay.
Chinese Crack Down
The Future of Starcraft
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Li Xiao Feng, for any only-SC gamers, is known as "Sky" and has just won WCG 2 times in a row.
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Snet
United States3573 Posts
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lol i think e-sports is a bit higher than the 99th ranked sport in china
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i hope this doesn't turn into another stupid, "Why shouldn't e-sports be in the Olympics".
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Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
Would LOVE to see it take off. The more countries e-sports become mainstream in, the better.
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Braavos36379 Posts
if china gets really good, we can see some pretty nasty china vs korea sponsored nationwars
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china is very conservative when it comes to expense on something thats worthless. the ideology of gaming is not going to get u anywhere is deeply planted in everybodys mind. they r afraid if they make gaming a big event in china, all the kids gonna give up studying and become game holics and mess up their school.
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On November 01 2006 11:46 keke wrote:
china is very conservative when it comes to expense on something thats worthless. the ideology of gaming is not going to get u anywhere is deeply planted in everybodys mind. they r afraid if they make gaming a big event in china, all the kids gonna give up studying and become game holics and mess up their school.
Exactly... Chinese people have yet to understand the concept of moderation
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On November 01 2006 11:46 keke wrote:
china is very conservative when it comes to expense on something thats worthless. the ideology of gaming is not going to get u anywhere is deeply planted in everybodys mind. they r afraid if they make gaming a big event in china, all the kids gonna give up studying and become game holics and mess up their school.
put any country in the place of china in this phrase and you have a true statement. And july did not fucking say that! you liar!
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On November 01 2006 11:53 azndsh wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2006 11:46 keke wrote:
china is very conservative when it comes to expense on something thats worthless. the ideology of gaming is not going to get u anywhere is deeply planted in everybodys mind. they r afraid if they make gaming a big event in china, all the kids gonna give up studying and become game holics and mess up their school. Exactly... Chinese people have yet to understand the concept of moderation
well when games are that fiercely scorned upon by all parents in china sometimes not very rationally, the teenagers as a reaction will rebel against it and go overboard just like it is with everything else.
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i don't see how china's case is very different from korea. in many sense, china has a far liberal mind than korea. remember the motto? "to make money is good!" do you see korea as more or less conservative than china? if it can happen in korea, then there is absolutely no market driven obstacle to stop it from happening in china. there are millions of gamers in college or workforce. magazines are on sale on every street corner. the only obstacle now is government control which can be overcome with time.
and remember, with the market china has, progaming doesn't even need to be as big at state level like korea. it just needs a stable following which it already has now.
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On November 01 2006 11:46 keke wrote:
china is very conservative when it comes to expense on something thats worthless. the ideology of gaming is not going to get u anywhere is deeply planted in everybodys mind. they r afraid if they make gaming a big event in china, all the kids gonna give up studying and become game holics and mess up their school.
crazy china basher. ya... we don't have electricity in china to realize that the world is changing. in any case, social opinions takes up to around 30 years to catch up with reality, so even if China doesn't embrace it soon, it'll be just a matter of time seeing how computers require even less space than pingpong table which requires even less space than basketball court.
the reason for the 30 years is because youth are more ready to embrace new concepts, and it takes about 30 years for youth to become the mainstream "adult" body of a group of people.
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USA29055 Posts
China recently got Wal Mart to move in and now they are looking to E-Sports. China is just going to gobble us all up if we are not careful 
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truth be told. chinese parents are fucking retards.
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
On November 01 2006 12:42 haduken wrote:
I don't see how China's case is very different from Korea.... remember the motto? "to make money is good" .. if it can happen in korea, then there is absolutely no market driven obstacle to stop it from happening in China. There are millions of gamers in college or workforce. Magazines are on sale on every street corner. The only obstacle now is government control which can be overcome with time... and remember, with the market China has, progaming doesn't even need to be as big at state level like Korea. It just needs a stable following which it already has now.
I agree but just as government control can hurt it can also help tremendously like it did in Korea. Still it was Korean owned business (Samsung and the Korean telcom companies) that initially made pro-gaming what it is today, i.e. they opened the door, and I suspect in China it will be exactly the same. It will be Chinese business that will fuel their e-Sports initially; and one can see that they are trying to follow roughly a similar model to the Korean one. If the government keeps giving its tacit blessing things will only get better for e-sports in China. It does not need foreign investment either to continue growing. They have their own real and huge demand for gaming and e-sports, they have the money with their yearly amazing economical growth and finally the current trend is very encouraging.
The amazing thing, as always with China, are the numbers.. remember WCG shows-off the world wide one million and change participants... multiply that number by 50 and you will get an idea of how much China can change the gobal e-sports playing fields..
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Yeah but do not underestimate the power of prejudice in this case. Contrary to what many believe. Chinese government will heed the words of parents in this matter. There are certain things the government will not touch upon and opinions do matter. when we come down to it.. what is progaming but another money making scheme? how much percentage of the population actually enjoys and condone such scheme? not to mention the current dissastrous situation with the education system. these kids study their ass off but in the end their education is worse than other countries where kids practically spend their entire early life not studying... T_T (exaggerated but if u have being to an asian country you will know the case for comparison.). add to the fact that the majority of Chinese adults are ignorant authoritarian cunts and you will have a situation where what you know is right doesn't even matter.. who cares about progaming? we don't want our kids doing anything but study till they get in college then they can waste their life as much as they want.
so in conclusion. progaming will hapen and it already has but it will progress at a much slower rate until some event happens to change people's mind. notably results in international arenas and global environment...
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
When your kids come home with a month salary after one tournament, minds change. Korea parents have many of the same traditional values as a lot of Asian cultures - but it changes when their kids showed them a different way. Time will tell though. If there are no changes in the current trend I expect that in less than 10 years China will be a leader in the economy of e-Sports.
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you say its changed. but is it really? i don't pretend to know the values koreans take but i would wager its pretty similiar to most eastern countries.
what is peculiar about china is. you are nobody unless you get in college. if you drop out, you are screwed. mind you, you learn shit in college anyway. no matter how much money progamers make. people are gonna whisper behind their back. hey thats the dumb kid that drop out to play video games, yeah wat a loser... i can just imagine how this will go.
atheletes hardly get any respect these days anyway and most of them burn out and get shit given to them after their glory times. i don't see how different it is to be a progamer. and Chinese parents have this thinking that god give them the right to abuse their kid's life. if i was gonna quit school and become progamer, my parents will disown me no matter how successful i am.
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On November 01 2006 11:37 FireBatLover wrote:
i hope this doesn't turn into another stupid, "Why shouldn't e-sports be in the Olympics".
if someone actualy asked u that, thats the most stupid question.
but its good that other asian countries gettin involved, a country that doesnt play sc much is.....AFRICA! haha we gotta get them black ppl to start gettin into technology and play sc.
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On November 01 2006 19:38 haduken wrote:
you say its changed. but is it really? i don't pretend to know the values koreans take but i would wager its pretty similiar to most eastern countries.
what is peculiar about china is. you are nobody unless you get in college. if you drop out, you are screwed. mind you, you learn shit in college anyway. no matter how much money progamers make. people are gonna whisper behind their back. hey thats the dumb kid that drop out to play video games, yeah wat a loser... i can just imagine how this will go.
atheletes hardly get any respect these days anyway and most of them burn out and get shit given to them after their glory times. i don't see how different it is to be a progamer. and Chinese parents have this thinking that god give them the right to abuse their kid's life. if i was gonna quit school and become progamer, my parents will disown me no matter how successful i am.
Sadly enough this is quite true. As a generalisation, Asian mentality regards academic > all. However there will be exceptions. My family for example is one of them =P
Given the huge number of potentials in China, there will be enough of these 'exceptions' who will probably disregard public opinion just to do what they love. And I suspect they will pave the way for the Chinese professional gaming.
Then again, I wonder how long this computer gaming growth will continue O_O?
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On November 01 2006 13:50 haduken wrote:
truth be told. chinese parents are fucking retards.
My parents are awesome. Don't you even start to bash your parents untill you pass puberty.
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To topic:
Firstly chinese has huge population, so odd cases like pro-gamming family will occure eventually.
Secondly, the "omfg game bad" is more moral driven, and the "yay games good!" is market driven, and generally speaking, people are more market driven that moral driven. So in the end gaming will win.
^_^
I forgot, thirdly, people are opening up.
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On November 01 2006 21:05 evanthebouncy~ wrote:
To topic:
Firstly chinese has huge population, so odd cases like pro-gamming family will occure eventually.
Secondly, the "omfg game bad" is more moral driven, and the "yay games good!" is market driven, and generally speaking, people are more market driven that moral driven. So in the end gaming will win.
^_^
I forgot, thirdly, people are opening up.
damn, that's nice logic. market driven vs moral driven. fucking genius. nice point ^___^
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On November 01 2006 21:03 evanthebouncy~ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2006 13:50 haduken wrote:
truth be told. chinese parents are fucking retards. My parents are awesome. Don't you even start to bash your parents untill you pass puberty.
im 23 and u know im telling the truth. ur parents are an exception.
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omfg game bad is market driven as in if your child plays games he'll get nowhere, unable to support himself and starve to death. Moral driven would be if a chinese person played starcraft an ethiopian child will die.
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