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This is why things like hunger in Africa are stupid. The world is shit.
OK yeah that doesn't seem all that constructive but let's be serious here, food is wasted SO much everywhere it's disgusting. Unless I'm at school cafeteria where food can sometimes be down-right disgusting (that said I often finished other peoples' plates), I always finish what's on my plate.
Don't waste food. Doing so is disgusting. Don't get me started about how supermarkets will throw away tons of perfectly good food because the date on the label says that it's not going to be good in the next few days.
Legislation around food is shit, people's attitude towards food is also shit. I don't have anything against fat people however I do think they should take a very hard look at their attitude towards food and I think that everyone should. People are taking for granted something that should be absolutely respected.
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the only way things are gonna turn around is if governments stop enabling their food industries to dictate what the populace consumes. Of course, that will never happen here in the U.S. Corn is indeed one of the most important crops to the human populace in the western world but the sugar industry that rose in its wake is out of control. There is sugar in EVERYTHING here, due to the need to keep feeding the masses profitable for the right people. The political system is so broken that the last check against legislative corruption, the goddamned supreme court, has determined that money influencing politics is legal. That's like the nail in the coffin, if it weren't already so apparent that only the money has power in this country anymore.
*sigh*
Anyway, I read a while ago that Japan (one of the leanest countries anyway due to their overall diet) had the balls to actually put a fat tax on its overweight citizens. Has anybody seen any information on how that's been working out yet?
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1) What do you think are the reasons for this explosion of obese people?
2) Is this a world wide problem or is it no big deal?
3) How will the future look like if the number of obese are continuously growing?
4) Can there anything be done to address this issue?
1 - grains and sugar being cheap. the body can only handle a certain amount of carbs every day, and if we eat too many it can't absorb them as nutrition and turns them into fat
2 - it is a serious issue. people are also becoming more stupid since these foods directly affect the brain and many studies found an inversely proportional relation between % of fat in the body and brain size (this is very scary)
3 - people being stupid and unhealthy, having less energies overall and the world being a worse place for everybody
4 - information about the causes and how to fix nutrition can prevent this from happening
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On May 30 2014 15:33 Incognoto wrote:
This is why things like hunger in Africa are stupid. The world is shit.
OK yeah that doesn't seem all that constructive but let's be serious here, food is wasted SO much everywhere it's disgusting. Unless I'm at school cafeteria where food can sometimes be down-right disgusting (that said I often finished other peoples' plates), I always finish what's on my plate.
Don't waste food. Doing so is disgusting. Don't get me started about how supermarkets will throw away tons of perfectly good food because the date on the label says that it's not going to be good in the next few days.
Legislation around food is shit, people's attitude towards food is also shit. I don't have anything against fat people however I do think they should take a very hard look at their attitude towards food and I think that everyone should. People are taking for granted something that should be absolutely respected.
dude, it doesn't work that way. you could undereat every day but if all you eat is pizza i promise you you will get fat in no time. it's not so much that people eat too much, it's just that they eat too many carbs, which are cheaper than real food
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On May 30 2014 16:02 aTnClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 15:33 Incognoto wrote:
This is why things like hunger in Africa are stupid. The world is shit.
OK yeah that doesn't seem all that constructive but let's be serious here, food is wasted SO much everywhere it's disgusting. Unless I'm at school cafeteria where food can sometimes be down-right disgusting (that said I often finished other peoples' plates), I always finish what's on my plate.
Don't waste food. Doing so is disgusting. Don't get me started about how supermarkets will throw away tons of perfectly good food because the date on the label says that it's not going to be good in the next few days.
Legislation around food is shit, people's attitude towards food is also shit. I don't have anything against fat people however I do think they should take a very hard look at their attitude towards food and I think that everyone should. People are taking for granted something that should be absolutely respected. dude, it doesn't work that way. you could undereat every day but if all you eat is pizza i promise you you will get fat in no time. it's not so much that people eat too much, it's just that they eat too many carbs, which are cheaper than real food
So people prefer not to spend money on properly nourishing themselves? Are fruits and vegetables that expensive? Come on, it's not as cheap as it used to be, however I find that a nice sack of apples (I eat a lot of apples) isn't that expensive compared to meat and it's WAY cheaper than alcohol. The difference is there on the receipt when I buy booze and when I don't. I can get 10 eggs for €1.
Eating properly isn't that difficult.
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On May 30 2014 16:12 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 16:02 aTnClouD wrote:On May 30 2014 15:33 Incognoto wrote:
This is why things like hunger in Africa are stupid. The world is shit.
OK yeah that doesn't seem all that constructive but let's be serious here, food is wasted SO much everywhere it's disgusting. Unless I'm at school cafeteria where food can sometimes be down-right disgusting (that said I often finished other peoples' plates), I always finish what's on my plate.
Don't waste food. Doing so is disgusting. Don't get me started about how supermarkets will throw away tons of perfectly good food because the date on the label says that it's not going to be good in the next few days.
Legislation around food is shit, people's attitude towards food is also shit. I don't have anything against fat people however I do think they should take a very hard look at their attitude towards food and I think that everyone should. People are taking for granted something that should be absolutely respected. dude, it doesn't work that way. you could undereat every day but if all you eat is pizza i promise you you will get fat in no time. it's not so much that people eat too much, it's just that they eat too many carbs, which are cheaper than real food So people prefer not to spend money on properly nourishing themselves? Are fruits and vegetables that expensive? Come on, it's not as cheap as it used to be, however I find that a nice sack of apples (I eat a lot of apples) isn't that expensive compared to meat and it's WAY cheaper than alcohol. The difference is there on the receipt when I buy booze and when I don't. I can get 10 eggs for €1. Eating properly isn't that difficult.
I started eating healthy 2 months ago and I am paying more than twice the amount I used to spend when I was consuming pasta every day. Eating healthy is obnoxiously expensive pretty much everywhere, and btw if you eat too much fruit you are gonna get fat anyway. Humans have evolved to eat mostly vegetable and meat when available.
edit: also do not forget that the sugars you find in carbs are addictive. I've heard several nutritionists and neuroscientists on ted.com saying the addiction to sugars is stronger than some hard drugs. go figure for yourself why people can't pull out of their shit diet
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On May 30 2014 07:39 Nyxisto wrote:
As the overwhelming majority of the population is neither a professional bodybuilder nor 300 pounds fat, for whole populations the BMI is quite okay.
BMI is a stupid statistic, it doesn't even account for gender. Fat distributions in men and female are very different, women are meant to carry more fat.
BMI version most often cited in "news" is derived from a study only using men who mostly descended from northern european descent. Hardly a base for whole populations.
A simple metric, waist hip ratio is far more reliable as it concentrates on the harmful fat, fat on the stomach, liver and heart fat which causes complications. By looking at excessive fat above the hip, not bulletproof but easy to do.
But complications due to excessive fat vary quite a bit from gender and race. Genders distribute fat differently and races distribute fat differently. BMI is an utter joke as it doesn't even account for gender.
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On May 30 2014 15:33 Incognoto wrote:
OK yeah that doesn't seem all that constructive but let's be serious here, food is wasted SO much everywhere it's disgusting. Unless I'm at school cafeteria where food can sometimes be down-right disgusting (that said I often finished other peoples' plates), I always finish what's on my plate.
Supermarkets also throw away a lot of food, that cannot be sold anymore but is still eatable. In Germany there are people that are organizing this throw-away food by collecting it from the supermarkets and handing it out to poor people or students. Currently there is something called "Food Sharing" becoming known, which is pretty much people giving others the opportunity to take their unwanted food. (Maybe near date of expiry and you know you won't use it before that)
Just finishing your plate won't help with this problem. The problem is pretty much that developed countries overproduce food, which is then thrown away.
In this case people would have to consume more, which leads to more obesity.
(Or companies just produce less, but then they might lose revenue, which they probably don't want to lose.)
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On May 30 2014 16:18 aTnClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 16:12 Incognoto wrote:On May 30 2014 16:02 aTnClouD wrote:On May 30 2014 15:33 Incognoto wrote:
This is why things like hunger in Africa are stupid. The world is shit.
OK yeah that doesn't seem all that constructive but let's be serious here, food is wasted SO much everywhere it's disgusting. Unless I'm at school cafeteria where food can sometimes be down-right disgusting (that said I often finished other peoples' plates), I always finish what's on my plate.
Don't waste food. Doing so is disgusting. Don't get me started about how supermarkets will throw away tons of perfectly good food because the date on the label says that it's not going to be good in the next few days.
Legislation around food is shit, people's attitude towards food is also shit. I don't have anything against fat people however I do think they should take a very hard look at their attitude towards food and I think that everyone should. People are taking for granted something that should be absolutely respected. dude, it doesn't work that way. you could undereat every day but if all you eat is pizza i promise you you will get fat in no time. it's not so much that people eat too much, it's just that they eat too many carbs, which are cheaper than real food So people prefer not to spend money on properly nourishing themselves? Are fruits and vegetables that expensive? Come on, it's not as cheap as it used to be, however I find that a nice sack of apples (I eat a lot of apples) isn't that expensive compared to meat and it's WAY cheaper than alcohol. The difference is there on the receipt when I buy booze and when I don't. I can get 10 eggs for €1. Eating properly isn't that difficult. I started eating healthy 2 months ago and I am paying more than twice the amount I used to spend when I was consuming pasta every day. Eating healthy is obnoxiously expensive pretty much everywhere, and btw if you eat too much fruit you are gonna get fat anyway. Humans have evolved to eat mostly vegetable and meat when available. edit: also do not forget that the sugars you find in carbs are addictive. I've heard several nutritionists and neuroscientists on ted.com saying the addiction to sugars is stronger than some hard drugs. go figure for yourself why people can't pull out of their shit diet
I won't deny that eating healthy is more expensive than just eating pasta. What can I say though I'd say that's an economic problem (living in the EU is expensive) not a social one.
How should I put this? Eating without getting fat isn't that hard? I don't know. Do "genetics" count? Let me put it this way, I've never given the slightest thought about what I eat yet I've never become "fat". I'm not the epitome of physical prowess either, but I don't think I've ever gone over 80 kg for example (3 years of prep school and lack of physical exercise weren't good for me though). I know close to nothing about these matters but I just tend to use common sense when eating. Don't eat too much, eat a lot of different stuff. Pasta, rice, potatoes, but also apples, salad, tomatoes, lots of meat, canned fish, bread, butter, eggs. Just a variety of raw stuff that I just cook myself. I often see people getting prebuilt meals and stuff when I go to the supermarket, or lots of those stuff you get in bags (umm, chips and stuff like that). That just can't be as healthy as buying stuff yourself. my last receipt was this
+ Show Spoiler +1 kg of rice: €3
20 eggs: €2
olive oil: €4 (fuckers what a rip-off)
veggie oil: €1
cashew nuts: €3
loaf of bread: €1
4 slices of ham: €2
some "bacon" (not bacon just pork like bacon in cubes, called "lardons": €1.44
400 g of ground beef: €4
total is €22 for a 4 or 5 days worth of meals. if we don't take into account luxuries like the cashew nuts and olive oil, price goes down to €15. a salad is like €1, tomatoes are like €2-3. a pack of spaghetti is like €2 /kg ?
I'd eat 50% carbs, 25% fruit/veggie and 25% meat. Anything else is just for tasty snacks (desserts and cashew nuts). Just based off of common sense. and some milk, cheese and yoghurt as well.
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On May 30 2014 17:25 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 16:18 aTnClouD wrote:On May 30 2014 16:12 Incognoto wrote:On May 30 2014 16:02 aTnClouD wrote:On May 30 2014 15:33 Incognoto wrote:
This is why things like hunger in Africa are stupid. The world is shit.
OK yeah that doesn't seem all that constructive but let's be serious here, food is wasted SO much everywhere it's disgusting. Unless I'm at school cafeteria where food can sometimes be down-right disgusting (that said I often finished other peoples' plates), I always finish what's on my plate.
Don't waste food. Doing so is disgusting. Don't get me started about how supermarkets will throw away tons of perfectly good food because the date on the label says that it's not going to be good in the next few days.
Legislation around food is shit, people's attitude towards food is also shit. I don't have anything against fat people however I do think they should take a very hard look at their attitude towards food and I think that everyone should. People are taking for granted something that should be absolutely respected. dude, it doesn't work that way. you could undereat every day but if all you eat is pizza i promise you you will get fat in no time. it's not so much that people eat too much, it's just that they eat too many carbs, which are cheaper than real food So people prefer not to spend money on properly nourishing themselves? Are fruits and vegetables that expensive? Come on, it's not as cheap as it used to be, however I find that a nice sack of apples (I eat a lot of apples) isn't that expensive compared to meat and it's WAY cheaper than alcohol. The difference is there on the receipt when I buy booze and when I don't. I can get 10 eggs for €1. Eating properly isn't that difficult. I started eating healthy 2 months ago and I am paying more than twice the amount I used to spend when I was consuming pasta every day. Eating healthy is obnoxiously expensive pretty much everywhere, and btw if you eat too much fruit you are gonna get fat anyway. Humans have evolved to eat mostly vegetable and meat when available. edit: also do not forget that the sugars you find in carbs are addictive. I've heard several nutritionists and neuroscientists on ted.com saying the addiction to sugars is stronger than some hard drugs. go figure for yourself why people can't pull out of their shit diet I won't deny that eating healthy is more expensive than just eating pasta. What can I say though I'd say that's an economic problem (living in the EU is expensive) not a social one. How should I put this? Eating without getting fat isn't that hard? I don't know. Do "genetics" count? Let me put it this way, I've never given the slightest thought about what I eat yet I've never become "fat". I'm not the epitome of physical prowess either, but I don't think I've ever gone over 80 kg for example (3 years of prep school and lack of physical exercise weren't good for me though). I know close to nothing about these matters but I just tend to use common sense when eating. Don't eat too much, eat a lot of different stuff. Pasta, rice, potatoes, but also apples, salad, tomatoes, lots of meat, canned fish, bread, butter, eggs. Just a variety of raw stuff that I just cook myself. I often see people getting prebuilt meals and stuff when I go to the supermarket, or lots of those stuff you get in bags (umm, chips and stuff like that). That just can't be as healthy as buying stuff yourself. my last receipt was this + Show Spoiler +1 kg of rice: €3
20 eggs: €2
olive oil: €4 (fuckers what a rip-off)
veggie oil: €1
cashew nuts: €3
loaf of bread: €1
4 slices of ham: €2
some "bacon" (not bacon just pork like bacon in cubes, called "lardons": €1.44
400 g of ground beef: €4
total is €22 for a 4 or 5 days worth of meals. if we don't take into account luxuries like the cashew nuts and olive oil, price goes down to €15. a salad is like €1, tomatoes are like €2-3. a pack of spaghetti is like €2 /kg ?
I'd eat 50% carbs, 25% fruit/veggie and 25% meat. Anything else is just for tasty snacks (desserts and cashew nuts). Just based off of common sense. and some milk, cheese and yoghurt as well.
You are using your common sense because it was given to you by your circumstances (parents, informations or your own curiosity led you to understand what could be relatively good or bad) and that's working out great for you. Remember that some people are so unlucky and ignorant on nutrition that they don't even have the basic knowledge of what's real food and what's processed food and why the latter is bad for health (mostly americans, but said ignorance is spreading rapidly to Europe and asian cultures). Many think they get fat purely due to bad genetics and they can't do anything about it, feeling helpless. If you inform people about the consequences of eating right and wrong foods you give a chance to the ones who actually care about their health and well being to choose the life they want.
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Pretty sure obesity isnt an issue for most people in asia. Its mainly just a western (especially america) problem. Discipline is all it takes for people to not get fat and eat a healthy diet
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On May 30 2014 17:25 Incognoto wrote:+ Show Spoiler +1 kg of rice: €3
20 eggs: €2
olive oil: €4 (fuckers what a rip-off)
veggie oil: €1
cashew nuts: €3
loaf of bread: €1
4 slices of ham: €2
some "bacon" (not bacon just pork like bacon in cubes, called "lardons": €1.44
400 g of ground beef: €4
total is €22 for a 4 or 5 days worth of meals. if we don't take into account luxuries like the cashew nuts and olive oil, price goes down to €15. a salad is like €1, tomatoes are like €2-3. a pack of spaghetti is like €2 /kg ?
I'd eat 50% carbs, 25% fruit/veggie and 25% meat. Anything else is just for tasty snacks (desserts and cashew nuts). Just based off of common sense. and some milk, cheese and yoghurt as well.
not that i eat any better but
Olive oil is a basic necessity. its not a luxury lol. 4euro is also cheap olive oil. A qulity product usually starts around 7 euros. other than that your diet seems pretty blunt. Its good like you said to vary and eat different things, but: canned fish<fresh fish
Slices of ham>piece of meat
too many eggs (unless you discart the yellow part)
Slices of ham are a very processed thing (especially non-raw ham)
The best healthy way too eat is growing your own vegetables and cooking your own food. Its not only about money. Its also about time. You cannot get the same quality of food from a supermarket as you could get from your back yard.
And also spending the time making food. These two are the biggest burdens i feel to eating well. of course people don' t have "time"
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I know where lies the problem, women in the western world don't know how to cook anymore -_- We were all healthier when they were in the kitchen! hehe
Aside of this terrible true joke.
Depression and stress caused by the global economic crises might be one of the reason why there is an increase of obesity. We eat more when we are stressed.
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On May 30 2014 18:58 iFU.pauline wrote:
I know where lies the problem, women in the western world don't know how to cook anymore -_- We were all healthier when they were in the kitchen! hehe
Aside of this terrible true joke.
Depression and stress caused by the global economic crises might be one of the reason why there is an increase of obesity. We eat more when we are stressed.
That's also true, our levels of cortisol are shooting up through the years (cortisol is the hormone of stress). If somebody has a high level of cortisol the effectiveness of any diet is lowered aswell. The best way to lower cortisol level is through intake of D vitamin (the body produces it naturally when in contact with sunlight) and meditation.
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The situation is especially grotesque when obesity meets malnutrition and hunger:
"In Kenya, an increasingly affluent middle class has led to a growth in the quantity of food waste that ends up rotting in its cities' extended dumpsites."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josephine-dallant/obesity-and-malnutrition-_b_5250070.html
Also, I think Japan and China are much more immune from westernization on a cultural level.
But even though overall obesity is low compared to the US, it did increase in both countries since 1980.
China has the particular problem that obesity is concentrated in cities.
"Obesity in China is a major health concern according to the WHO, with overall rates of obesity below 5% in the country, but greater than 20% in some cities."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_China
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On May 30 2014 18:45 pebble444 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 17:25 Incognoto wrote:+ Show Spoiler +1 kg of rice: €3
20 eggs: €2
olive oil: €4 (fuckers what a rip-off)
veggie oil: €1
cashew nuts: €3
loaf of bread: €1
4 slices of ham: €2
some "bacon" (not bacon just pork like bacon in cubes, called "lardons": €1.44
400 g of ground beef: €4
total is €22 for a 4 or 5 days worth of meals. if we don't take into account luxuries like the cashew nuts and olive oil, price goes down to €15. a salad is like €1, tomatoes are like €2-3. a pack of spaghetti is like €2 /kg ?
I'd eat 50% carbs, 25% fruit/veggie and 25% meat. Anything else is just for tasty snacks (desserts and cashew nuts). Just based off of common sense. and some milk, cheese and yoghurt as well. not that i eat any better but Olive oil is a basic necessity. its not a luxury lol. 4euro is also cheap olive oil. A qulity product usually starts around 7 euros. other than that your diet seems pretty blunt. Its good like you said to vary and eat different things, but: canned fish<fresh fish Slices of ham>piece of meat too many eggs (unless you discart the yellow part) Slices of ham are a very processed thing (especially non-raw ham) The best healthy way too eat is growing your own vegetables and cooking your own food. Its not only about money. Its also about time. You cannot get the same quality of food from a supermarket as you could get from your back yard. And also spending the time making food. These two are the biggest burdens i feel to eating well. of course people don' t have "time"
Of course olive oil is a necessity to you, you're italian! 
No, I completely agree with you though. My parents have a huge garden where you have so many different vegetables, off the top of my head there are potatoes, tomatoes, beans, onions, garlic, artichokes and probably other stuff I can't think of atm. I can't help all that much since I'm never home but I can assure you I haven't bought a potato in years. However you need time (well not for potatoes, you need to dedicate a few days a year at most for potatoes afaik) and a yard to do it right, as well as know-how.
You can't eat fresh fish in ile-de-france afaik, it's just not good at all. In britanny though when I go home you've got tons of good fresh sea-food though.
Didn't know about the slices of ham > meat though. Are you talking about this: https://www.surinternet.com/WebRoot/LaPoste/Shops/box7278/MediaGallery/jambon-cru.gif
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Actually I think he just got his > and < the wrong way round on that one
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On May 30 2014 19:37 marvellosity wrote:Actually I think he just got his > and < the wrong way round on that one
I'd prefer that since meat tastes better! :p
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On May 30 2014 19:33 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 18:45 pebble444 wrote:On May 30 2014 17:25 Incognoto wrote:+ Show Spoiler +1 kg of rice: €3
20 eggs: €2
olive oil: €4 (fuckers what a rip-off)
veggie oil: €1
cashew nuts: €3
loaf of bread: €1
4 slices of ham: €2
some "bacon" (not bacon just pork like bacon in cubes, called "lardons": €1.44
400 g of ground beef: €4
total is €22 for a 4 or 5 days worth of meals. if we don't take into account luxuries like the cashew nuts and olive oil, price goes down to €15. a salad is like €1, tomatoes are like €2-3. a pack of spaghetti is like €2 /kg ?
I'd eat 50% carbs, 25% fruit/veggie and 25% meat. Anything else is just for tasty snacks (desserts and cashew nuts). Just based off of common sense. and some milk, cheese and yoghurt as well. not that i eat any better but Olive oil is a basic necessity. its not a luxury lol. 4euro is also cheap olive oil. A qulity product usually starts around 7 euros. other than that your diet seems pretty blunt. Its good like you said to vary and eat different things, but: canned fish<fresh fish Slices of ham>piece of meat too many eggs (unless you discart the yellow part) Slices of ham are a very processed thing (especially non-raw ham) The best healthy way too eat is growing your own vegetables and cooking your own food. Its not only about money. Its also about time. You cannot get the same quality of food from a supermarket as you could get from your back yard. And also spending the time making food. These two are the biggest burdens i feel to eating well. of course people don' t have "time" Of course olive oil is a necessity to you, you're italian! No, I completely agree with you though. My parents have a huge garden where you have so many different vegetables, off the top of my head there are potatoes, tomatoes, beans, onions, garlic, artichokes and probably other stuff I can't think of atm. I can't help all that much since I'm never home but I can assure you I haven't bought a potato in years. However you need time (well not for potatoes, you need to dedicate a few days a year at most for potatoes afaik) and a yard to do it right, as well as know-how. You can't eat fresh fish in ile-de-france afaik, it's just not good at all. In britanny though when I go home you've got tons of good fresh sea-food though. Didn't know about the slices of ham > meat though. Are you talking about this: https://www.surinternet.com/WebRoot/LaPoste/Shops/box7278/MediaGallery/jambon-cru.gif
I think he talked about what we called "Jambon blanc". At least the one we buy in supermarket, it's just gross stuff... Raw ham is better, I guess, although any meat bought in supermarket should be avoided if possible imo.
Edit : I assumed he made a mistake with his > < when answering. No way non-raw ham is better than meat.
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