EPTObesity now a global issue - Page 8
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23732 Posts
http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/3596563979001/saturated-fats-not-bad-for-your-health/?intcmp=obnetwork#sp=show-clips + Show Spoiler + Think this might have something to do with it too. | ||
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urboss
Austria1223 Posts
The only thing that is somewhat proven is that too much salt is bad for your health. | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18611 Posts
Junk food is pretty successful there as well but no obesity. | ||
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Shikada
Serbia976 Posts
I dare you, point me to a book about nutrition or an healthy everyday exercise routine, that is popular and widely accepted. I would really like to see them. I bet you that if a few people try within a few posts there will be argument and name calling... | ||
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DrCooper
Germany261 Posts
On June 02 2014 02:07 GreenHorizons wrote: Turns out bacon is good for me! That's what my news says! http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/3596563979001/saturated-fats-not-bad-for-your-health/?intcmp=obnetwork#sp=show-clips + Show Spoiler + Think this might have something to do with it too. Well, they are not bad for you. They serve a vital role in your body. Especially in regard to hormone levels. However, I feel like the average FOX-viewer sees that and makes himself an "all bacon" salad. As with everything in life, you have to balance it out. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On June 02 2014 04:00 IgnE wrote: Chloride not sodium? Salt is sodium-chloride. 40% of its weight is sodium atoms, which translates into 2g sodium in your food being the same as 5g salt. I don't know why they usually only count the sodium, but that's what you'd look out for when reading the labels on products in the supermarket. 5g salt or 2g sodium are the suggested daily limit. There's studies about life expectancy that suggest that eating meat is fine for your health if using raw meat in your cooking (so eating steaks basically), but eating something involving curing like bratwurst or salami or bacon is not, decreases life expectancy when looking at statistics. I've seen sodium getting blamed for that difference. That might also be where counting sodium instead of salt gets interesting as the salt used for curing isn't only sodium-chloride, instead also adds another sodium compound. | ||
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urboss
Austria1223 Posts
On June 02 2014 04:30 Shikada wrote: To me, it seems like educating yourself on what is healthy to eat and how to exercise properly is impossible. Seriously, for any topic I find interest in I can pretty easily narrow down the most respected and accepted published information and dive right in. Try that with food. No consensus on which foods are healthy. They change the opinion on whether eggs are healthy or not every few years. And don't get me started on exercising. Hell, even discussions on how to do a proper squat look like religious fanatics arguing endlessly. I dare you, point me to a book about nutrition or an healthy everyday exercise routine, that is popular and widely accepted. I would really like to see them. I bet you that if a few people try within a few posts there will be argument and name calling... Yeah, you can say the same thing about social studies or stock market analysis. All they have in common is that they are open complex systems. The human body is ridiculously complex and most of the molecular biological intricacies are simply not understood yet. Nutritional studies usually focus on one out of 1000s of possible parameters. This alone makes it almost impossible to establish causation based on a correlation. And since most studies contradict each other, not even a correlation can be established. All this results in a shitload of pseudoscience and esoterical trends, even among the medical/scientific community. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
On June 02 2014 04:09 sharkie wrote: Countries should just do what Japan does... Junk food is pretty successful there as well but no obesity. Yeah, their junk food isn't literally made of fat and infinite calories and their people know that it's not good to eat until you feel like puking. That's a primary difference between Japan and America on this matter. IMHO the biggest issue in the US is people eat and eat and eat, and I observe it on a daily basis. That's the primary issue to resolve, because no amount of exercise is going to compensate for that. I mean, you can be thin with minimal exercise and eating well. It's the extreme excess that will start getting to you. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On June 02 2014 05:45 Nyxisto wrote: I don't think there is much need to over-complicate stuff. Cook for yourself, eat a lot of vegetables, don't eat a lot of "unhealthy"(meaning very fatty or sugary food) and move your body around a lot. Works for everybody. pretty much this lol. | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On June 02 2014 04:48 Ropid wrote: Salt is sodium-chloride. 40% of its weight is sodium atoms, which translates into 2g sodium in your food being the same as 5g salt. I don't know why they usually only count the sodium, but that's what you'd look out for when reading the labels on products in the supermarket. 5g salt or 2g sodium are the suggested daily limit. There's studies about life expectancy that suggest that eating meat is fine for your health if using raw meat in your cooking (so eating steaks basically), but eating something involving curing like bratwurst or salami or bacon is not, decreases life expectancy when looking at statistics. I've seen sodium getting blamed for that difference. That might also be where counting sodium instead of salt gets interesting as the salt used for curing isn't only sodium-chloride, instead also adds another sodium compound. Sodium is not the preservatie in those foods that is responsible for the difference in outcomes. Chloride is more likely the culprit behind high blood pressure than sodium. | ||
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On June 02 2014 05:26 urboss wrote: Yeah, you can say the same thing about social studies or stock market analysis. All they have in common is that they are open complex systems. The human body is ridiculously complex and most of the molecular biological intricacies are simply not understood yet. Nutritional studies usually focus on one out of 1000s of possible parameters. This alone makes it almost impossible to establish causation based on a correlation. And since most studies contradict each other, not even a correlation can be established. All this results in a shitload of pseudoscience and esoterical trends, even among the medical/scientific community. While this is true to a great extent, we have the magic of empirical knowledge. Strength athletes (Olympic lifters, power lifters and bodybuilders to be generous :p) eat meat/veggies as their main diet, and add carbs around workouts (specially after) depending how hard they are hitting the gym. To lose weight and mantain lean mass you eat less carbs, to gain muscles you lift harder and add a bit more of protein/carbs. The salt thing is largely a myth, people with normal kidney function have no issues at all. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26411 Posts
While I don't advocate a culture of people being made to feel shit about themselves, I'd imagine it would have some cumulative impact | ||
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MoonfireSpam
United Kingdom1153 Posts
On June 02 2014 09:21 Wombat_NI wrote: I'm surprised the increasing social acceptance of being fat across the board hasn't been mentioned (so far as I can tell) While I don't advocate a culture of people being made to feel shit about themselves, I'd imagine it would have some cumulative impact I'm sure there are some cultures out there where being fat is seen as superior to being thin. As for the rest of the world I don't get why people just don't eat less and/or move more if they really wanna stay in a nice pretty slim shape. Don't even have to eat super healthy, just adjust the quantities. It really barely matters unless you're a competitive athlete. People collectively seem so fucking retarded when it comes to this stuff. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On June 02 2014 10:10 MoonfireSpam wrote: I'm sure there are some cultures out there where being fat is seen as superior to being thin. As for the rest of the world I don't get why people just don't eat less and/or move more if they really wanna stay in a nice pretty slim shape. Don't even have to eat super healthy, just adjust the quantities. People collectively seem so fucking retarded when it comes to this stuff. In Hmong culture, that was the case. Being fat was seen as a sign of eating well and such. Dunno about other cultures lol. | ||
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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
On May 31 2014 04:09 aTnClouD wrote: Just found this video. I suggest adding to OP I found this very informative, thanks! Interestingly, it aligned with my own personal experiences with weight loss. A few years ago, I was significantly overweight (5'4'', 245 lbs) and decided I needed to do something about it. I tried eating less and eating things that I considered to be healthy, and made a bit of progress, but was having trouble until I stumbled upon the TLHF thread and educated myself on health and nutrition. Largely, I stopped eating processed foods and learned how to cook real food for myself. I also began weightlifting. One year later, I had lost 85 lbs and felt better than I ever had in my life. But I still struggle sometimes, and I've noticed over the years that those times when I struggle are after I drink soda or consume foods which contain (now I'm paying much closer attention to ingredient labels) HFCS. I've personally experienced how, after drinking soda, I ate significantly more (and more unhealthy) food because I still felt hungry. Drink a 32oz soda --> Eat an entire pizza (2000+ calories including soda) or Drink water --> Eat homemade baked chicken and vegetables (~500 calories, and so much more nutritious) I've lived this dozens of times. The difference in how we feel and the resulting decisions we make about how we eat are astounding. It seems like unhealthy chemicals we choose to ingest are the beginning of a very slippery slope. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18611 Posts
On June 04 2014 05:53 Dromar wrote: I found this very informative, thanks! Interestingly, it aligned with my own personal experiences with weight loss. A few years ago, I was significantly overweight (5'4'', 245 lbs) and decided I needed to do something about it. I tried eating less and eating things that I considered to be healthy, and made a bit of progress, but was having trouble until I stumbled upon the TLHF thread and educated myself on health and nutrition. Largely, I stopped eating processed foods and learned how to cook real food for myself. I also began weightlifting. One year later, I had lost 85 lbs and felt better than I ever had in my life. But I still struggle sometimes, and I've noticed over the years that those times when I struggle are after I drink soda or consume foods which contain (now I'm paying much closer attention to ingredient labels) HFCS. I've personally experienced how, after drinking soda, I ate significantly more (and more unhealthy) food because I still felt hungry. Drink a 32oz soda --> Eat an entire pizza (2000+ calories including soda) or Drink water --> Eat homemade baked chicken and vegetables (~500 calories, and so much more nutritious) I've lived this dozens of times. The difference in how we feel and the resulting decisions we make about how we eat are astounding. It seems like unhealthy chemicals we choose to ingest are the beginning of a very slippery slope. I think this is just you associating soda with unhealthy food. I mean I never get the urge to eat more, actually I eat quite less when I drink something with sparkling. Also tons of Japanese drink soda and dont become obese. | ||
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