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On August 09 2014 06:41 Sn0_Man wrote:
I really hope that vod gets muted by audible magic
lol
On August 09 2014 02:07 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2014 02:02 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 08 2014 23:19 Kurr wrote:
Some of the anti-hitbox posts are hilariously shameless.
Going from 1 end of the spectrum ("hitbox runs like shit! it's terrible!") to the other ("well of course it runs amazingly, it's renting servers; clearly that is not sustainable and we need twitch to have a monopoly to encourage competition OBVIOUSLY!") within 1 page.
The person saying it runs amazing lives in Sweden. Pretty sure Hitbox's servers are in Russia. Same issue as Twitch. Works well for North Americans, runs like shit for Europeans. Whoa, you're saying that the quality of the stream is directly related to the number of oceans/international boarders between you and the server? Madness. The UI ran like shit for me, but I am no where near russia. The stream was passable
I'm in the US and it worked fine for me. Loaded instantly, was in clear HD, never buffered. Granted there were like 6 people watching but it worked well for me.
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On August 18 2014 05:17 TanGeng wrote:New Twitch Audio SystemIn a recent blog post, Twitch announced the introduction of a system where audio in VODs will be scanned in by an automated system that will then flag the audio in those VODs for copyright violated and entire 30 minute sections will be muted. In light of the fact that Twitch was putting in place an automated system, there was bound to be false positives, cases of fair use, and false claims. A quick search through Valve's own VODs came up with a quick hit, leading to the following tweet: Sure enough Twitch even managed to mute its own E3 VODs under the newly installed AudioMagic system. That was bound to happen and it demonstrates all of the dangers of an automated system, especially one that enforces the punishment first and then places the onus on the alleged violator to appeal the violation. InducementHowever, if Twitch as a streaming platform is to survive in the long run, they must make some effort to reign in copyright violation or the company becomes an easy legal target under the inducement rule of copyright protection jurisprudence. This inducement rule, a secondary violation of copyright and previously only part of patent infringement jurisprudence, found its way to copyright protection via the Supreme Court case, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. Vs.Grokster. The opinion of the court delivered by Justice Souter essentially carried the inducement test from patent law into copyright protection. The inducement test has two parts. - The technology must enable direct infringement.
- The technology provider “actively and knowingly aid[s] and abet[s] another’s direct infringement”.
While the language seems innocent, creating any technology that is a primary enabler of direct copyright infringement and once you are notified of widespread copyright infringement, is enough to force that company to have to do something about it. At this point, Google has known about the potential for direct infringement of copyright with Youtube. Both inducement rule as well as widespread direct infringement is clear to the company. Base on that knowledge, if Google does nothing about Twitch VODs, then Google will certainly become legally liable. Intellectual PropertyWhile the quoted passage seems Orwellian Show nested quote +Starting today, Twitch will be implementing technology intended to help broadcasters avoid the storage of videos containing unauthorized third-party audio. It is exactly the type of activity that Twitch must do in order to continue to provide service at all. Either this system comes in or TwitchTV disappears altogether. That is the current state of IP protection law and jurisprudence in the US and the world today, and it's just as bad in the patent law arena.
From http://www.liquiddota.com/blogs/465064-twitchtv-and-the-inducement-rule, posted by TanGeng
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Haha so all those bitching about Google now really have something to worry about.
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On August 26 2014 03:03 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Haha so all those bitching about Google now really have something to worry about.
Why? Amazon means competition still exists.
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Yeah, i don't get it. The guys who run servers all over the world are best suited to run Twitch. Amazon does amazing stuff and I love their video service.
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I hope they don't do this. Twitch isn't worth that much money, in my opinion.
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I like Amazon's online services, but their delivery's have been bad for six months. Sort of iffy on the "what-ifs" of this. I just wonder why Twitch wouldn't try to stand on it's own and build it's brand more.
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Don't the current twitch-competitors use amazon servers for their streaming? ..awkward.
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This is just getting ridiculous
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On August 26 2014 03:17 Lucumo wrote:
I hope they don't do this. Twitch isn't worth that much money, in my opinion.
It's worth what someone will pay for it.
To Amazon it's worth the value of the name, plus the infrastructure and the contracts with Microsoft and Sony.
You have to consider Twitch as a platform, not a game streaming service.
Look at what Amazon has done recently: Made its own TV shows. Made its own devices.
Imagine if Amazon decides to start streaming sports (various motorsports, at least, already stream on Youtube). Basically re-opening Justin.tv but under the Twitch name (hilariously enough). That's some value already built onto the existing platform.
They can use their music service and VOD services to augment what Twitch already has, and let people stream music/etc from their Amazon cloud etc.
Plus ad revenue.
http://online.wsj.com/articles/amazon-preps-a-challenge-to-googles-ad-business-1408747979
Amazon.com Inc. AMZN +1.00% is gearing up to more directly challenge Google Inc. GOOGL -0.25% 's dominance of the online advertising market, developing its own software for placing ads online that could leverage its knowledge of millions of Web shoppers.
Amazon can do things that are more than just letting people keep streaming games.
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On August 26 2014 03:21 Spektor wrote:
I like Amazon's online services, but their delivery's have been bad for six months. Sort of iffy on the "what-ifs" of this. I just wonder why Twitch wouldn't try to stand on it's own and build it's brand more.
Because venture capitalists put money into Twitch and want a return.
If you put in $20m and could get a nice fat return on that in a year, wouldn't you?
$20m last September. $15m the September before and $7m before that into Justin.tv plus some other amounts. Total invested by venture capital: $42m, apparently.
Now imagine it was worth 25x that. You're getting some big returns guaranteed. Better to sell now and secure those returns.
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Amazon certainly hasn't been free of monopolistic bullying in the recent past, the whole incident with Hachette and trying to establish prices for content publishers makes me wonder if and how they will change the way twitch is monetized (especially regarding channel subscriptions).
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On August 26 2014 03:21 Spektor wrote:
I like Amazon's online services, but their delivery's have been bad for six months. Sort of iffy on the "what-ifs" of this. I just wonder why Twitch wouldn't try to stand on it's own and build it's brand more.
Twitch has always been running into serious infrastructure problems, and in order to build infrastructure you need capital. I doubt that twitch is very profitable (let alone if they are turning a profit in the first place) so they won't be able to fund any expansion on their own.
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Amazon looks to be way way worse than google.
As far as i know, i cant buy almost anything amazon sells in my country, whereas google services are more/less global.
Also, as a company, although i have heard that their store is great, and their kindle readers are very good too, didn't amazon wasn't making any profit until recently?
I trust google way, way more than amazon.
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On August 26 2014 03:31 Lonyo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 03:17 Lucumo wrote:
I hope they don't do this. Twitch isn't worth that much money, in my opinion. It's worth what someone will pay for it. To Amazon it's worth the value of the name, plus the infrastructure and the contracts with Microsoft and Sony. You have to consider Twitch as a platform, not a game streaming service. Look at what Amazon has done recently: Made its own TV shows. Made its own devices. Imagine if Amazon decides to start streaming sports (various motorsports, at least, already stream on Youtube). Basically re-opening Justin.tv but under the Twitch name (hilariously enough). That's some value already built onto the existing platform. They can use their music service and VOD services to augment what Twitch already has, and let people stream music/etc from their Amazon cloud etc. Plus ad revenue. http://online.wsj.com/articles/amazon-preps-a-challenge-to-googles-ad-business-1408747979Show nested quote +Amazon.com Inc. AMZN +1.00% is gearing up to more directly challenge Google Inc. GOOGL -0.25% 's dominance of the online advertising market, developing its own software for placing ads online that could leverage its knowledge of millions of Web shoppers. Amazon can do things that are more than just letting people keep streaming games.
...hence the "in my opinion".
Unless they perfectly integrate Twitch, I still don't see how it's working in their favor. Twitch may currently have the monopoly in the international market but that can change rather easily in this day and age. I would have bought something like Hitbox which is rapidly gaining viewers and molded it into something which fits Amazon the best. Popularity can be gained rather quickly. The contracts may be what's missing but I don't see how they couldn't get similar ones, considering they aren't competing with Microsoft and Sony in that regard.
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On August 26 2014 03:59 Lucumo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 03:31 Lonyo wrote:On August 26 2014 03:17 Lucumo wrote:
I hope they don't do this. Twitch isn't worth that much money, in my opinion. It's worth what someone will pay for it. To Amazon it's worth the value of the name, plus the infrastructure and the contracts with Microsoft and Sony. You have to consider Twitch as a platform, not a game streaming service. Look at what Amazon has done recently: Made its own TV shows. Made its own devices. Imagine if Amazon decides to start streaming sports (various motorsports, at least, already stream on Youtube). Basically re-opening Justin.tv but under the Twitch name (hilariously enough). That's some value already built onto the existing platform. They can use their music service and VOD services to augment what Twitch already has, and let people stream music/etc from their Amazon cloud etc. Plus ad revenue. http://online.wsj.com/articles/amazon-preps-a-challenge-to-googles-ad-business-1408747979Amazon.com Inc. AMZN +1.00% is gearing up to more directly challenge Google Inc. GOOGL -0.25% 's dominance of the online advertising market, developing its own software for placing ads online that could leverage its knowledge of millions of Web shoppers. Amazon can do things that are more than just letting people keep streaming games. ...hence the "in my opinion". Unless they perfectly integrate Twitch, I still don't see how it's working in their favor. Twitch may currently have the monopoly in the international market but that can change rather easily in this day and age. I would have bought something like Hitbox which is rapidly gaining viewers and molded it into something which fits Amazon the best. Popularity can be gained rather quickly. The contracts may be what's missing but I don't see how they couldn't get similar ones, considering they aren't competing with Microsoft and Sony in that regard.
Welcome to 2014. Everyone is flooded with cash, debt is cheap. Acquisitions and mergers have been made with even worse synergies.
And lol hitbox.
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On August 26 2014 03:59 Lucumo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 03:31 Lonyo wrote:On August 26 2014 03:17 Lucumo wrote:
I hope they don't do this. Twitch isn't worth that much money, in my opinion. It's worth what someone will pay for it. To Amazon it's worth the value of the name, plus the infrastructure and the contracts with Microsoft and Sony. You have to consider Twitch as a platform, not a game streaming service. Look at what Amazon has done recently: Made its own TV shows. Made its own devices. Imagine if Amazon decides to start streaming sports (various motorsports, at least, already stream on Youtube). Basically re-opening Justin.tv but under the Twitch name (hilariously enough). That's some value already built onto the existing platform. They can use their music service and VOD services to augment what Twitch already has, and let people stream music/etc from their Amazon cloud etc. Plus ad revenue. http://online.wsj.com/articles/amazon-preps-a-challenge-to-googles-ad-business-1408747979Amazon.com Inc. AMZN +1.00% is gearing up to more directly challenge Google Inc. GOOGL -0.25% 's dominance of the online advertising market, developing its own software for placing ads online that could leverage its knowledge of millions of Web shoppers. Amazon can do things that are more than just letting people keep streaming games. ...hence the "in my opinion". Unless they perfectly integrate Twitch, I still don't see how it's working in their favor. Twitch may currently have the monopoly in the international market but that can change rather easily in this day and age. I would have bought something like Hitbox which is rapidly gaining viewers and molded it into something which fits Amazon the best. Popularity can be gained rather quickly. The contracts may be what's missing but I don't see how they couldn't get similar ones, considering they aren't competing with Microsoft and Sony in that regard.
They are paying for the user base that Twitch build up and the broadcasters that use their system. You don't buy a TV network for their broadcast antenna, you buy it for the shows people are watching.
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On August 26 2014 03:59 Lucumo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 03:31 Lonyo wrote:On August 26 2014 03:17 Lucumo wrote:
I hope they don't do this. Twitch isn't worth that much money, in my opinion. It's worth what someone will pay for it. To Amazon it's worth the value of the name, plus the infrastructure and the contracts with Microsoft and Sony. You have to consider Twitch as a platform, not a game streaming service. Look at what Amazon has done recently: Made its own TV shows. Made its own devices. Imagine if Amazon decides to start streaming sports (various motorsports, at least, already stream on Youtube). Basically re-opening Justin.tv but under the Twitch name (hilariously enough). That's some value already built onto the existing platform. They can use their music service and VOD services to augment what Twitch already has, and let people stream music/etc from their Amazon cloud etc. Plus ad revenue. http://online.wsj.com/articles/amazon-preps-a-challenge-to-googles-ad-business-1408747979Amazon.com Inc. AMZN +1.00% is gearing up to more directly challenge Google Inc. GOOGL -0.25% 's dominance of the online advertising market, developing its own software for placing ads online that could leverage its knowledge of millions of Web shoppers. Amazon can do things that are more than just letting people keep streaming games. ...hence the "in my opinion". Unless they perfectly integrate Twitch, I still don't see how it's working in their favor. Twitch may currently have the monopoly in the international market but that can change rather easily in this day and age. I would have bought something like Hitbox which is rapidly gaining viewers and molded it into something which fits Amazon the best. Popularity can be gained rather quickly. The contracts may be what's missing but I don't see how they couldn't get similar ones, considering they aren't competing with Microsoft and Sony in that regard.
Easily? In these days, it is next to impossible for a platform/services like twitch to lose its monopoly. If there's a service that everyone uses, then you have to pretty much convince everyone at the same time to switch, or no one will. As much as I like that twitch is getting some competition, that competition will die out again sooner or later.
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Was I the only one who did not have an issue with Google buying Twitch
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