Is not close to market value of twitch, with little to no knowledge in online marketing, I can't actually be accurate but I would estimate the value of twitch to run between 220 million and 300 million, and that is being fairly generous.
However, google is taking a very proactive approach, offering well over four times the value.
This should throw up a red flag, however Google new offering anything above 500 million would do just that, and if Twitch declined intially, they would lose all hope of buying out twitch anytime in the near future, even if they offered 2 billion +
With that being said, it is clear to me why Google offered such a large ammount so quiickly, it puts the owner of twicht in a situation where it is almost impossible to decline. However, Twitch know's this, but even knowing it, if you was in their seat would you have the confidence to say, no, and push your companyto the limit, as far as he knows, youtube could offer streaming next month, and twitch may die in the next year. Google played a very powerful card, with not only the confidence that they could make twitch into huge sucess, but also the money to back it up if things get hairy.
Just know that with out being 100% certain, and having no facts or proof, just going off he/she said on Reddit* - that what I am saying is just an opinion, and should not be taken as truth, but it is fairly safe to say Google is playing the Super Monster Instant Win card, and twitch still has 40 Cards left to draw, Do you side with Google's super monster or keep going and hope the next 40 cards don't leave you empty handed, trying to revive your graveyard.
* (Yes the source of all knowledge, one day I will write an essay and tag reddit as my educational source just to see the professor flip the next day during lecture.)
Google, has yet to add streaming into their aresnal .. but if they do can twitch really compete with the powerhouse (google)
Well, with Google attempting to buy the company, I think people seeking to push advertiment may find themself adding twitch into their campaign, simply because if google want's it.. it has to be worth the money.. right?
In their shoes, I wouldn't take the money, simply by offering such a large ammount, Google has in a weird way actually helped twitch out. so I don't expect to see twitch dying in a year, but youtube and steaming will most likely offer better money for pro streamers. It's time to raise the bar twitch, ask for 10x the value or tell Google to get out, because you will never beat them, but don't join them with out putting up a really freaking good fight :D
EDIT
.. because music laws keep getting brought up.
Twitch WILL have to incorporate this, because with Google attempting to buy twitch.. like i just said.. if you didn't know about twitch last week, there is a pretty good shot you do now, and as streaming viewers increase so will the potential gain for placing a law suit, so now... Twitch has to begin to take pro active measures to stay within copyright laws.
This would of happened eventually.. but Google... is a very good catalyst :D (for lack of better words)
You realize Youtube has had streaming since like 2011 or 2012... lol. You clearly don't have a clue about what you're talking about
The article also states that YouTube is prepared for the deal to be challenged by the Justice Department, as the two companies together account for a large share of the online video market.
Can someone explain this to me? I don't understand why the Justice Department would care
The article also states that YouTube is prepared for the deal to be challenged by the Justice Department, as the two companies together account for a large share of the online video market.
Can someone explain this to me? I don't understand why the Justice Department would care
because if they together account for a large enough share of the market (in this case online videos) then the merger would form a monopoly which is illegal.
The article also states that YouTube is prepared for the deal to be challenged by the Justice Department, as the two companies together account for a large share of the online video market.
Can someone explain this to me? I don't understand why the Justice Department would care
All major acquisitions in the US must be approved by DoJ because of anti-trust laws. Just like how all major acquisitions in Canada needs approval by the competition bureau.
They should buy the all internet that would be simpler. google video games, google stream, google money, google bank account, google online school, google coins, teamgoogle.net, googlecraft, EA sport to the google, GoogleStarLeague... It is only a matter of time before you eat Google food.
On May 20 2014 09:36 [SXG]Phantom wrote: So you people really think google would buy twitch, only to let blizzard (jsut an example) or any other companny block the streaming of a game or take it down because of "copyright infrigment"? What sense would that make? obviosly they have a plan or something. Maybe twitch didn't get copyright warnings because it wan't all that well known, now with google it will have way more attention, but still, is a videogame streaming service, if google/youtube let companies block the content what sense would it make?
The only think they might block is the music, and even that is doubtful because they aren't VODs, they are live streaming it and that makes it more difficult. Anyway you could use other music or the free music collection of youtube. Also, since google has its own streaming service (google play music) they could very well let you play any music you like as long as you use that for example.
What sense does it make when 10+ minute videos are taken down because of 10s of music played in it ? Right now youtube is a complete mess. There are some companies that will flag your account for nothing and because the system favours the companies, the users can't do shit. I can't see why it will be different with Twitch.
Because it becomes a "fixed medium of expression" when you record a video. If you play music live like in a playlist you aren't breaking any copyright laws while streaming. That is the difference between youtube and a live stream. So it's really nothing to worry about.
I don't think youtube treats a video or live stream differently for music. Star citizen's live stream on youtube got cut because they sang happy birthday to someone.
Well, that is a first, it is looking like YouTube kicked our stream because we sang happy Birthday. It is copyrighted music.
Our very own Viewmaster is in the process of getting the full thing up on our YouTube channel and redacting the audiences spontaneous singing to our Star Citizen Community person Chelsea - who shares a birthday with us of October 10th.
We should get a post as more details arrive, but I wanted to get our initial analysis out there, as once again, you guys and us crash the interwebs.
To fuel the rumours some more , sirscoots just said on unfiltered, unknown sources of him said that facebook is looking to offer 2 billion for twitch o_O
On May 21 2014 07:02 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: To fuel the rumours some more , sirscoots just said on unfiltered, unknown sources of him said that facebook is looking to offer 2 billion for twitch o_O
not sure if troll or not - nevertheless, we are all doomed anyway.
On May 20 2014 09:36 [SXG]Phantom wrote: So you people really think google would buy twitch, only to let blizzard (jsut an example) or any other companny block the streaming of a game or take it down because of "copyright infrigment"? What sense would that make? obviosly they have a plan or something. Maybe twitch didn't get copyright warnings because it wan't all that well known, now with google it will have way more attention, but still, is a videogame streaming service, if google/youtube let companies block the content what sense would it make?
The only think they might block is the music, and even that is doubtful because they aren't VODs, they are live streaming it and that makes it more difficult. Anyway you could use other music or the free music collection of youtube. Also, since google has its own streaming service (google play music) they could very well let you play any music you like as long as you use that for example.
What sense does it make when 10+ minute videos are taken down because of 10s of music played in it ? Right now youtube is a complete mess. There are some companies that will flag your account for nothing and because the system favours the companies, the users can't do shit. I can't see why it will be different with Twitch.
Because it becomes a "fixed medium of expression" when you record a video. If you play music live like in a playlist you aren't breaking any copyright laws while streaming. That is the difference between youtube and a live stream. So it's really nothing to worry about.
I don't think youtube treats a video or live stream differently for music. Star citizen's live stream on youtube got cut because they sang happy birthday to someone.
Well, that is a first, it is looking like YouTube kicked our stream because we sang happy Birthday. It is copyrighted music.
Our very own Viewmaster is in the process of getting the full thing up on our YouTube channel and redacting the audiences spontaneous singing to our Star Citizen Community person Chelsea - who shares a birthday with us of October 10th.
We should get a post as more details arrive, but I wanted to get our initial analysis out there, as once again, you guys and us crash the interwebs.
They treat it the same way twitch does. If you receive a violation then you can lose your stream if you don't stop. The difference is that if all those bots on youtube moved to twitch which they can without youtube ever being directly involved with twitch. Let's say Facebook buys Twitch then the bots will come to Twitch just like any other company that buys them. Then again if whoever buys them let's them remain autonomous (very highly likely) then that won't happen at all.
The birthday song thing is just wrong. I really hope those lawyers in that public domain case win so warner can go shove it.
Don't see why so much negativity about this deal, Youtube is a better place now than it ever was. Twitch is so shitty atm, it could only get better, I take it you naysayers have never subscribed to the new GomEXP on twitch? Well, its fucking horrible. I subscribed to GSL 2014 season 1 and 2, but I will not subscribe anymore, that is... until this deal goes through! Good Riddance Twitch.TV/Justin.TV.
On May 21 2014 08:05 skorched wrote: Don't see why so much negativity about this deal, Youtube is a better place now than it ever was. Twitch is so shitty atm, it could only get better, I take it you naysayers have never subscribed to the new GomEXP on twitch? Well, its fucking horrible. I subscribed to GSL 2014 season 1 and 2, but I will not subscribe anymore, that is... until this deal goes through! Good Riddance Twitch.TV/Justin.TV.
Is not close to market value of twitch, with little to no knowledge in online marketing, I can't actually be accurate but I would estimate the value of twitch to run between 220 million and 300 million, and that is being fairly generous.
However, google is taking a very proactive approach, offering well over four times the value.
This should throw up a red flag, however Google new offering anything above 500 million would do just that, and if Twitch declined intially, they would lose all hope of buying out twitch anytime in the near future, even if they offered 2 billion +
With that being said, it is clear to me why Google offered such a large ammount so quiickly, it puts the owner of twicht in a situation where it is almost impossible to decline. However, Twitch know's this, but even knowing it, if you was in their seat would you have the confidence to say, no, and push your companyto the limit, as far as he knows, youtube could offer streaming next month, and twitch may die in the next year. Google played a very powerful card, with not only the confidence that they could make twitch into huge sucess, but also the money to back it up if things get hairy.
Just know that with out being 100% certain, and having no facts or proof, just going off he/she said on Reddit* - that what I am saying is just an opinion, and should not be taken as truth, but it is fairly safe to say Google is playing the Super Monster Instant Win card, and twitch still has 40 Cards left to draw, Do you side with Google's super monster or keep going and hope the next 40 cards don't leave you empty handed, trying to revive your graveyard.
* (Yes the source of all knowledge, one day I will write an essay and tag reddit as my educational source just to see the professor flip the next day during lecture.)
Google, has yet to add streaming into their aresnal .. but if they do can twitch really compete with the powerhouse (google)
Well, with Google attempting to buy the company, I think people seeking to push advertiment may find themself adding twitch into their campaign, simply because if google want's it.. it has to be worth the money.. right?
In their shoes, I wouldn't take the money, simply by offering such a large ammount, Google has in a weird way actually helped twitch out. so I don't expect to see twitch dying in a year, but youtube and steaming will most likely offer better money for pro streamers. It's time to raise the bar twitch, ask for 10x the value or tell Google to get out, because you will never beat them, but don't join them with out putting up a really freaking good fight :D
EDIT
.. because music laws keep getting brought up.
Twitch WILL have to incorporate this, because with Google attempting to buy twitch.. like i just said.. if you didn't know about twitch last week, there is a pretty good shot you do now, and as streaming viewers increase so will the potential gain for placing a law suit, so now... Twitch has to begin to take pro active measures to stay within copyright laws.
This would of happened eventually.. but Google... is a very good catalyst :D (for lack of better words)
Wow... It's not often misinformation makes me angry... but you are a fucking idiot! Learn what you are talking about before you say anything.
I'm a professional day trader, and everything you said is so ridiculous I want to puke. Omg !
Is not close to market value of twitch, with little to no knowledge in online marketing, I can't actually be accurate but I would estimate the value of twitch to run between 220 million and 300 million, and that is being fairly generous.
However, google is taking a very proactive approach, offering well over four times the value.
This should throw up a red flag, however Google new offering anything above 500 million would do just that, and if Twitch declined intially, they would lose all hope of buying out twitch anytime in the near future, even if they offered 2 billion +
With that being said, it is clear to me why Google offered such a large ammount so quiickly, it puts the owner of twicht in a situation where it is almost impossible to decline. However, Twitch know's this, but even knowing it, if you was in their seat would you have the confidence to say, no, and push your companyto the limit, as far as he knows, youtube could offer streaming next month, and twitch may die in the next year. Google played a very powerful card, with not only the confidence that they could make twitch into huge sucess, but also the money to back it up if things get hairy.
Just know that with out being 100% certain, and having no facts or proof, just going off he/she said on Reddit* - that what I am saying is just an opinion, and should not be taken as truth, but it is fairly safe to say Google is playing the Super Monster Instant Win card, and twitch still has 40 Cards left to draw, Do you side with Google's super monster or keep going and hope the next 40 cards don't leave you empty handed, trying to revive your graveyard.
* (Yes the source of all knowledge, one day I will write an essay and tag reddit as my educational source just to see the professor flip the next day during lecture.)
Google, has yet to add streaming into their aresnal .. but if they do can twitch really compete with the powerhouse (google)
Well, with Google attempting to buy the company, I think people seeking to push advertiment may find themself adding twitch into their campaign, simply because if google want's it.. it has to be worth the money.. right?
In their shoes, I wouldn't take the money, simply by offering such a large ammount, Google has in a weird way actually helped twitch out. so I don't expect to see twitch dying in a year, but youtube and steaming will most likely offer better money for pro streamers. It's time to raise the bar twitch, ask for 10x the value or tell Google to get out, because you will never beat them, but don't join them with out putting up a really freaking good fight :D
EDIT
.. because music laws keep getting brought up.
Twitch WILL have to incorporate this, because with Google attempting to buy twitch.. like i just said.. if you didn't know about twitch last week, there is a pretty good shot you do now, and as streaming viewers increase so will the potential gain for placing a law suit, so now... Twitch has to begin to take pro active measures to stay within copyright laws.
This would of happened eventually.. but Google... is a very good catalyst :D (for lack of better words)
Wow... It's not often misinformation makes me angry... but you are a fucking idiot! Learn what you are talking about before you say anything.
I'm a professional day trader, and everything you said is so ridiculous I want to puke. Omg !
User was warned for this post
If you're actually a day trader, I'd be interested in your extrapolation.
On May 20 2014 09:36 [SXG]Phantom wrote: So you people really think google would buy twitch, only to let blizzard (jsut an example) or any other companny block the streaming of a game or take it down because of "copyright infrigment"? What sense would that make? obviosly they have a plan or something. Maybe twitch didn't get copyright warnings because it wan't all that well known, now with google it will have way more attention, but still, is a videogame streaming service, if google/youtube let companies block the content what sense would it make?
The only think they might block is the music, and even that is doubtful because they aren't VODs, they are live streaming it and that makes it more difficult. Anyway you could use other music or the free music collection of youtube. Also, since google has its own streaming service (google play music) they could very well let you play any music you like as long as you use that for example.
What sense does it make when 10+ minute videos are taken down because of 10s of music played in it ? Right now youtube is a complete mess. There are some companies that will flag your account for nothing and because the system favours the companies, the users can't do shit. I can't see why it will be different with Twitch.
Because it becomes a "fixed medium of expression" when you record a video. If you play music live like in a playlist you aren't breaking any copyright laws while streaming. That is the difference between youtube and a live stream. So it's really nothing to worry about.
I don't think youtube treats a video or live stream differently for music. Star citizen's live stream on youtube got cut because they sang happy birthday to someone.
Well, that is a first, it is looking like YouTube kicked our stream because we sang happy Birthday. It is copyrighted music.
Our very own Viewmaster is in the process of getting the full thing up on our YouTube channel and redacting the audiences spontaneous singing to our Star Citizen Community person Chelsea - who shares a birthday with us of October 10th.
We should get a post as more details arrive, but I wanted to get our initial analysis out there, as once again, you guys and us crash the interwebs.
The difference is that if all those bots on youtube moved to twitch which they can without youtube ever being directly involved with twitch. Let's say Facebook buys Twitch then the bots will come to Twitch just like any other company that buys them.
Why would YouTube's content id bots move over to twitch if Facebook bought them? YouTube owns its own content id bots. Why would they let Facebook use them? Unless YouTube licenses their content id system to other companies, but I dunno if they do.
On May 21 2014 08:05 skorched wrote: Don't see why so much negativity about this deal, Youtube is a better place now than it ever was. Twitch is so shitty atm, it could only get better, I take it you naysayers have never subscribed to the new GomEXP on twitch? Well, its fucking horrible. I subscribed to GSL 2014 season 1 and 2, but I will not subscribe anymore, that is... until this deal goes through! Good Riddance Twitch.TV/Justin.TV.
On May 21 2014 08:05 skorched wrote: Don't see why so much negativity about this deal, Youtube is a better place now than it ever was. Twitch is so shitty atm, it could only get better, I take it you naysayers have never subscribed to the new GomEXP on twitch? Well, its fucking horrible. I subscribed to GSL 2014 season 1 and 2, but I will not subscribe anymore, that is... until this deal goes through! Good Riddance Twitch.TV/Justin.TV.
fucking lol
Exactly. Good reasoning.
YouTube is NOWHERE where it was at its height.
It had better DMCA policies instead of automation, posting comments were also more convenient, you could load video all the way through in order to skip parts, you didn't Gmail account integration to your main YouTube account, it didn't constantly ask you to log in and be insecure about using G+ accounts.
YouTube's height was RIGHT before it was acquired by Google w/ the most freedom of video sharing and the introduction of HD quality videos.
But right after it was acquired by Google, everything went a tad worse.
And who else remember those "Video being watched..." section on YouTube where you can jump to see the actual popular videos? Now you got "Video Advertised" on top because of $$$.
On May 21 2014 08:05 skorched wrote: Don't see why so much negativity about this deal, Youtube is a better place now than it ever was. Twitch is so shitty atm, it could only get better, I take it you naysayers have never subscribed to the new GomEXP on twitch? Well, its fucking horrible. I subscribed to GSL 2014 season 1 and 2, but I will not subscribe anymore, that is... until this deal goes through! Good Riddance Twitch.TV/Justin.TV.
fucking lol
Exactly. Good reasoning.
YouTube is NOWHERE where it was at its height.
It had better DMCA policies instead of automation, posting comments were also more convenient, you could load video all the way through in order to skip parts, you didn't Gmail account integration to your main YouTube account, it didn't constantly ask you to log in and be insecure about using G+ accounts.
YouTube's height was RIGHT before it was acquired by Google w/ the most freedom of video sharing and the introduction of HD quality videos.
But right after it was acquired by Google, everything went a tad worse.
And who else remember those "Video being watched..." section on YouTube where you can jump to see the actual popular videos? Now you got "Video Advertised" on top because of $$$.
lol... Youtube was only independent for a single year, I doubt you or the others saying how Google ruined Youtube even used Youtube when it was independent. 720p wasn't added until like two or three years after Google purchased it. Youtube's best time was definitely during Google's ownership, around when Chrome was becoming popular so around 2009 or 2010.
And "Videos being watched" was during Google's ownership fyi...
EPT
, sirscoots just said on unfiltered, unknown sources of him said that facebook is looking to offer 2 billion for twitch o_O 
