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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
April 08 2014 08:52 GMT
#841
On April 08 2014 03:57 Nouar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2014 01:35 FFW_Rude wrote:
On April 08 2014 00:41 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:
On April 08 2014 00:29 Hryul wrote:
On April 08 2014 00:23 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:
What are the odds the plane is somewhat intact under water?

define "intact". but it's highly unlikely, if we assume a crash and not a controlled landing. At crash-speed, water behaves a lot like concrete.



Yeah, Like it landed on the water, then sunk. A bigger crash would equal more debris which im finding hard to believe that they hardly found any debris.,


Pressure would crush it as it sink i guess.


Pressure wouldn't crush anything as long as water got inside.


Oh yeah true. Silly me.
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urboss
Profile Joined September 2013
Austria1223 Posts
April 08 2014 09:13 GMT
#842
"No underwater vehicles or ships other then Australia's Ocean Shield have been deployed in the search zone to avoid interference with signal detection."

"The Bluefin 21, a remote control probe, will not be launched until the pings are located again and the location of the black boxes fixed."

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The pinger locator:

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The Ocean Shield:

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Ethenielle
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Norway1006 Posts
April 08 2014 10:30 GMT
#843
"...Until the pings are located again"

What? I thought the black box was out of power, since 1 month has passed since the crash.
Theres a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot.
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
April 08 2014 10:33 GMT
#844
On April 08 2014 19:30 Ethenielle wrote:
"...Until the pings are located again"

What? I thought the black box was out of power, since 1 month has passed since the crash.


It's not like 30Days and it's gone. It's something around 30days.

Your phone battery doesn't die at the exact same amount of days
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ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
April 08 2014 14:22 GMT
#845
I like how it says "Do not open" on the black box like its an option
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Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6226 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-09 05:15:32
April 09 2014 05:13 GMT
#846
Signals picked up again late last night.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-09/mh370-more-signals-detected/5378012
An Australian search vessel has picked up two more signals from what could be the black box from missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

The man in charge of the search, retired Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston, said the Ocean Shield picked up the traces on Tuesday afternoon and late on Tuesday night Perth time. Air Chief Marshal Houston says he is confident the search is in the right area. "So I think we're looking in the right area, but I'm not prepared to confirm anything until such time as somebody lays eyes on the wreckage," he said.

[...]

Both signals picked up yesterday lasted just over five minutes.Air Chief Marshal Houston says the signals have helped crews further define the search area, and he believes they are now closing in on the plane.

The signals are becoming weaker and Air Chief Marshal Houston says that is most likely because the batteries are beginning to run out. He says he believes the search is "not far away" from deploying an autonomous underwater vehicle to conduct an underwater search.


As a layperson with absolutely no knowledge of how to conduct these operations, I can't help but feel they're being very reluctant to deploy the search vehicle. I understand that it significantly limits their search area, but if the black box is about to run out you may as well try it. Surely you're not likely to discover too much more from the surface than the general vicinity, which we already have?

Yesterday I'm pretty sure they said they'd deploy it if they picked up the signal again. Now, apparently not.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
April 09 2014 05:28 GMT
#847
I highly doubt that the 777 is impossible to ditch. Boeing is better than that..
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digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6329 Posts
April 09 2014 06:19 GMT
#848
Even if they successfully ditch it won't stay afloat for a month.
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
April 09 2014 08:21 GMT
#849
On April 09 2014 14:13 Belisarius wrote:
Signals picked up again late last night.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-09/mh370-more-signals-detected/5378012
Show nested quote +
An Australian search vessel has picked up two more signals from what could be the black box from missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

The man in charge of the search, retired Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston, said the Ocean Shield picked up the traces on Tuesday afternoon and late on Tuesday night Perth time. Air Chief Marshal Houston says he is confident the search is in the right area. "So I think we're looking in the right area, but I'm not prepared to confirm anything until such time as somebody lays eyes on the wreckage," he said.

[...]

Both signals picked up yesterday lasted just over five minutes.Air Chief Marshal Houston says the signals have helped crews further define the search area, and he believes they are now closing in on the plane.

The signals are becoming weaker and Air Chief Marshal Houston says that is most likely because the batteries are beginning to run out. He says he believes the search is "not far away" from deploying an autonomous underwater vehicle to conduct an underwater search.


As a layperson with absolutely no knowledge of how to conduct these operations, I can't help but feel they're being very reluctant to deploy the search vehicle. I understand that it significantly limits their search area, but if the black box is about to run out you may as well try it. Surely you're not likely to discover too much more from the surface than the general vicinity, which we already have?

Yesterday I'm pretty sure they said they'd deploy it if they picked up the signal again. Now, apparently not.


From what i understoof (i'm like you and have no knowledge) they didn't want to deplay a search vehicule because it could make interference with signals of the black boxes. I can't find where i read that

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Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-09 08:36:24
April 09 2014 08:31 GMT
#850
On April 08 2014 19:30 Ethenielle wrote:
"...Until the pings are located again"

What? I thought the black box was out of power, since 1 month has passed since the crash.


The signal declines quickly after 30 days. The battery and signal will just get quieter for a around two weeks until they finally die. Think flashlight getting dimmer and dimmer as the batteries run out and not your phone going dead.

On April 09 2014 14:13 Belisarius wrote:
Signals picked up again late last night.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-09/mh370-more-signals-detected/5378012
Show nested quote +
An Australian search vessel has picked up two more signals from what could be the black box from missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

The man in charge of the search, retired Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston, said the Ocean Shield picked up the traces on Tuesday afternoon and late on Tuesday night Perth time. Air Chief Marshal Houston says he is confident the search is in the right area. "So I think we're looking in the right area, but I'm not prepared to confirm anything until such time as somebody lays eyes on the wreckage," he said.

[...]

Both signals picked up yesterday lasted just over five minutes.Air Chief Marshal Houston says the signals have helped crews further define the search area, and he believes they are now closing in on the plane.

The signals are becoming weaker and Air Chief Marshal Houston says that is most likely because the batteries are beginning to run out. He says he believes the search is "not far away" from deploying an autonomous underwater vehicle to conduct an underwater search.


As a layperson with absolutely no knowledge of how to conduct these operations, I can't help but feel they're being very reluctant to deploy the search vehicle. I understand that it significantly limits their search area, but if the black box is about to run out you may as well try it. Surely you're not likely to discover too much more from the surface than the general vicinity, which we already have?

Yesterday I'm pretty sure they said they'd deploy it if they picked up the signal again. Now, apparently not.


Yeah, they moved pretty much every other ship out of the area to ensure no possible artificial sources. Also the search area is still 1/3rd the size of the UK. The more time you spend narrowing it down, the less time you spend searching for the airplane so it works out faster in the long run. Not much anyone can do but stay patient.

And don't forget the expenses involved.
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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
April 09 2014 09:27 GMT
#851
On April 09 2014 15:19 digmouse wrote:
Even if they successfully ditch it won't stay afloat for a month.


In theory it stays afloat for barely long enough for everyone to get on the life rafts. It can be ditched though, unlike what some people seem to be saying in this thread. People will say it can't ditch because it never has been ditched before. It's never been ditched before because it's genuinely a very safe aircraft.

Edit: this was an interesting read: http://www.pprune.org/tech-log/403624-777-ditching-not-simulated.html
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radiatoren
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Denmark1907 Posts
April 09 2014 10:38 GMT
#852
It seems the specific frequency picked up by the towed pinger on monday was 33.333 kHz and it was "very stable". It is distinctive from any normal sounds in water, with a too consistent occurance and therefore very likely of man-made mechanical origin designed for that specific purpose (or in other words, it is very unlikely to be anything other than the transmitters from the black boxes).

The newest pings are described as suggesting that the signal will fail "very shortly", as in the pulses are weak.

source
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urboss
Profile Joined September 2013
Austria1223 Posts
April 09 2014 14:22 GMT
#853
Russian intelligence sources claim the passengers on MH370 are alive after the flight landed in Afghanistan:

"A source in the country’s FSB secret service said the plane has been hijacked and flown close to the Pakistan border.

The Boeing 777 has been missing since March 8 and it is thought the black box which holds the flight’s secrets may have run out of battery.

There are 239 people on board the Malaysia Airlines plane, which was flying from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

The source told a Russia newspaper: All the passengers are alive, they have been divided into seven groups and are living in mud huts with almost no food,” reported the Sun.

The report added that 20 passengers who were Asian “specialists” have been smuggled into a bunker in Pakistan."


http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/373582/They-re-alive-MH370-passengers-were-hijacked-and-taken-to-Afghan-says-Russia-s-FSB
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-09 14:30:48
April 09 2014 14:30 GMT
#854
...what?

Is that source credible? The dailystar I mean.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21630 Posts
April 09 2014 14:32 GMT
#855
None of that makes sense to me. Tomuch radar coverage and 0 demands of anything being made makes it highly unlikely.

Esp now that there is good evidence that they are closing to finding the blackbox in the sea.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-09 14:39:47
April 09 2014 14:39 GMT
#856
the poor families having to hear rumors like that
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TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
April 09 2014 14:42 GMT
#857
On April 09 2014 18:27 Incognoto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2014 15:19 digmouse wrote:
Even if they successfully ditch it won't stay afloat for a month.


In theory it stays afloat for barely long enough for everyone to get on the life rafts. It can be ditched though, unlike what some people seem to be saying in this thread. People will say it can't ditch because it never has been ditched before. It's never been ditched before because it's genuinely a very safe aircraft.

Edit: this was an interesting read: http://www.pprune.org/tech-log/403624-777-ditching-not-simulated.html


The life rafts on 777's do have gps devices that automatically send data to satellites if deployed. That data was never sent therefore its unlikely that the liferafts were ever used.
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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
April 09 2014 14:46 GMT
#858
Daily Star looks about as credible as an email telling me I've won a lottery I never entered. Just look at the other articles that cesspool of journalism is running. Why even post trash like that here with so many quotes like it's actual news?
Yhamm is the god of predictions
urboss
Profile Joined September 2013
Austria1223 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-11 16:08:48
April 09 2014 15:03 GMT
#859
Well, the original article was posted in the Russian news.
Probably not too much to worry about, but until they've found the actual wreck anything is possible.
Warlock40
Profile Joined September 2011
601 Posts
April 10 2014 15:53 GMT
#860
Slightly off topic, but just a random question:

On the day that MH370 went missing, how many other flights in the world succeeded in landing safely? I would imagine the answer to be "all of them", but I was wondering if someone could give me a ballpark statistic to put the MH370 incident into perspective - how many flights are there in the world on a daily basis?
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