On April 08 2014 03:57 Nouar wrote:
Pressure wouldn't crush anything as long as water got inside.
Pressure wouldn't crush anything as long as water got inside.
Oh yeah true. Silly me.
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On April 08 2014 03:57 Nouar wrote: Show nested quote + On April 08 2014 01:35 FFW_Rude wrote: On April 08 2014 00:41 HelpMeGetBetter wrote: On April 08 2014 00:29 Hryul wrote: On April 08 2014 00:23 HelpMeGetBetter wrote: What are the odds the plane is somewhat intact under water? define "intact". but it's highly unlikely, if we assume a crash and not a controlled landing. At crash-speed, water behaves a lot like concrete. Yeah, Like it landed on the water, then sunk. A bigger crash would equal more debris which im finding hard to believe that they hardly found any debris., Pressure would crush it as it sink i guess. Pressure wouldn't crush anything as long as water got inside. Oh yeah true. Silly me. | ||
urboss
Austria1223 Posts
"The Bluefin 21, a remote control probe, will not be launched until the pings are located again and the location of the black boxes fixed." ![]() The pinger locator: ![]() The Ocean Shield: ![]() | ||
Ethenielle
Norway1006 Posts
What? I thought the black box was out of power, since 1 month has passed since the crash. | ||
FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On April 08 2014 19:30 Ethenielle wrote: "...Until the pings are located again" What? I thought the black box was out of power, since 1 month has passed since the crash. It's not like 30Days and it's gone. It's something around 30days. Your phone battery doesn't die at the exact same amount of days ![]() | ||
ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
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Belisarius
Australia6226 Posts
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-09/mh370-more-signals-detected/5378012 An Australian search vessel has picked up two more signals from what could be the black box from missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370. The man in charge of the search, retired Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston, said the Ocean Shield picked up the traces on Tuesday afternoon and late on Tuesday night Perth time. Air Chief Marshal Houston says he is confident the search is in the right area. "So I think we're looking in the right area, but I'm not prepared to confirm anything until such time as somebody lays eyes on the wreckage," he said. [...] Both signals picked up yesterday lasted just over five minutes.Air Chief Marshal Houston says the signals have helped crews further define the search area, and he believes they are now closing in on the plane. The signals are becoming weaker and Air Chief Marshal Houston says that is most likely because the batteries are beginning to run out. He says he believes the search is "not far away" from deploying an autonomous underwater vehicle to conduct an underwater search. As a layperson with absolutely no knowledge of how to conduct these operations, I can't help but feel they're being very reluctant to deploy the search vehicle. I understand that it significantly limits their search area, but if the black box is about to run out you may as well try it. Surely you're not likely to discover too much more from the surface than the general vicinity, which we already have? Yesterday I'm pretty sure they said they'd deploy it if they picked up the signal again. Now, apparently not. | ||
Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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digmouse
China6329 Posts
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On April 09 2014 14:13 Belisarius wrote: Signals picked up again late last night. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-09/mh370-more-signals-detected/5378012 Show nested quote + An Australian search vessel has picked up two more signals from what could be the black box from missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370. The man in charge of the search, retired Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston, said the Ocean Shield picked up the traces on Tuesday afternoon and late on Tuesday night Perth time. Air Chief Marshal Houston says he is confident the search is in the right area. "So I think we're looking in the right area, but I'm not prepared to confirm anything until such time as somebody lays eyes on the wreckage," he said. [...] Both signals picked up yesterday lasted just over five minutes.Air Chief Marshal Houston says the signals have helped crews further define the search area, and he believes they are now closing in on the plane. The signals are becoming weaker and Air Chief Marshal Houston says that is most likely because the batteries are beginning to run out. He says he believes the search is "not far away" from deploying an autonomous underwater vehicle to conduct an underwater search. As a layperson with absolutely no knowledge of how to conduct these operations, I can't help but feel they're being very reluctant to deploy the search vehicle. I understand that it significantly limits their search area, but if the black box is about to run out you may as well try it. Surely you're not likely to discover too much more from the surface than the general vicinity, which we already have? Yesterday I'm pretty sure they said they'd deploy it if they picked up the signal again. Now, apparently not. From what i understoof (i'm like you and have no knowledge) they didn't want to deplay a search vehicule because it could make interference with signals of the black boxes. I can't find where i read that ![]() | ||
Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
On April 08 2014 19:30 Ethenielle wrote: "...Until the pings are located again" What? I thought the black box was out of power, since 1 month has passed since the crash. The signal declines quickly after 30 days. The battery and signal will just get quieter for a around two weeks until they finally die. Think flashlight getting dimmer and dimmer as the batteries run out and not your phone going dead. On April 09 2014 14:13 Belisarius wrote: Signals picked up again late last night. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-09/mh370-more-signals-detected/5378012 Show nested quote + An Australian search vessel has picked up two more signals from what could be the black box from missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370. The man in charge of the search, retired Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston, said the Ocean Shield picked up the traces on Tuesday afternoon and late on Tuesday night Perth time. Air Chief Marshal Houston says he is confident the search is in the right area. "So I think we're looking in the right area, but I'm not prepared to confirm anything until such time as somebody lays eyes on the wreckage," he said. [...] Both signals picked up yesterday lasted just over five minutes.Air Chief Marshal Houston says the signals have helped crews further define the search area, and he believes they are now closing in on the plane. The signals are becoming weaker and Air Chief Marshal Houston says that is most likely because the batteries are beginning to run out. He says he believes the search is "not far away" from deploying an autonomous underwater vehicle to conduct an underwater search. As a layperson with absolutely no knowledge of how to conduct these operations, I can't help but feel they're being very reluctant to deploy the search vehicle. I understand that it significantly limits their search area, but if the black box is about to run out you may as well try it. Surely you're not likely to discover too much more from the surface than the general vicinity, which we already have? Yesterday I'm pretty sure they said they'd deploy it if they picked up the signal again. Now, apparently not. Yeah, they moved pretty much every other ship out of the area to ensure no possible artificial sources. Also the search area is still 1/3rd the size of the UK. The more time you spend narrowing it down, the less time you spend searching for the airplane so it works out faster in the long run. Not much anyone can do but stay patient. And don't forget the expenses involved. | ||
Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On April 09 2014 15:19 digmouse wrote: Even if they successfully ditch it won't stay afloat for a month. In theory it stays afloat for barely long enough for everyone to get on the life rafts. It can be ditched though, unlike what some people seem to be saying in this thread. People will say it can't ditch because it never has been ditched before. It's never been ditched before because it's genuinely a very safe aircraft. Edit: this was an interesting read: http://www.pprune.org/tech-log/403624-777-ditching-not-simulated.html | ||
radiatoren
Denmark1907 Posts
The newest pings are described as suggesting that the signal will fail "very shortly", as in the pulses are weak. source | ||
urboss
Austria1223 Posts
"A source in the country’s FSB secret service said the plane has been hijacked and flown close to the Pakistan border. The Boeing 777 has been missing since March 8 and it is thought the black box which holds the flight’s secrets may have run out of battery. There are 239 people on board the Malaysia Airlines plane, which was flying from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. The source told a Russia newspaper: All the passengers are alive, they have been divided into seven groups and are living in mud huts with almost no food,” reported the Sun. The report added that 20 passengers who were Asian “specialists” have been smuggled into a bunker in Pakistan." http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/373582/They-re-alive-MH370-passengers-were-hijacked-and-taken-to-Afghan-says-Russia-s-FSB | ||
r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
Is that source credible? The dailystar I mean. | ||
Gorsameth
Netherlands21630 Posts
Esp now that there is good evidence that they are closing to finding the blackbox in the sea. | ||
ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
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TheFish7
United States2824 Posts
On April 09 2014 18:27 Incognoto wrote: Show nested quote + On April 09 2014 15:19 digmouse wrote: Even if they successfully ditch it won't stay afloat for a month. In theory it stays afloat for barely long enough for everyone to get on the life rafts. It can be ditched though, unlike what some people seem to be saying in this thread. People will say it can't ditch because it never has been ditched before. It's never been ditched before because it's genuinely a very safe aircraft. Edit: this was an interesting read: http://www.pprune.org/tech-log/403624-777-ditching-not-simulated.html The life rafts on 777's do have gps devices that automatically send data to satellites if deployed. That data was never sent therefore its unlikely that the liferafts were ever used. | ||
Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
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urboss
Austria1223 Posts
Probably not too much to worry about, but until they've found the actual wreck anything is possible. | ||
Warlock40
601 Posts
On the day that MH370 went missing, how many other flights in the world succeeded in landing safely? I would imagine the answer to be "all of them", but I was wondering if someone could give me a ballpark statistic to put the MH370 incident into perspective - how many flights are there in the world on a daily basis? | ||
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