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HelpMeGetBetter
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States764 Posts
March 12 2014 16:34 GMT
#341
Now an oil rig worker is claiming to have seen it:

http://www.thewire.com/global/2014/03/oil-rig-worker-says-he-saw-malaysia-air-flight-370-go-down/359093/
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
March 12 2014 19:01 GMT
#342
And this is in the opposite direction of the life raft found.
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lantz
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States762 Posts
March 12 2014 19:12 GMT
#343
This is like Where's Waldo on a global scale.

I have too much work atm, but I will join in on the game after work.

ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
March 12 2014 19:18 GMT
#344
On March 13 2014 04:12 lantz wrote:
This is like Where's Waldo on a global scale.

I have too much work atm, but I will join in on the game after work.


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 12 2014 19:20 GMT
#345
How deep is water in the search areas I wonder.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Seraphic
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3849 Posts
March 12 2014 19:32 GMT
#346
On March 13 2014 00:49 Maenander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2014 05:54 Incognoto wrote:
On March 12 2014 04:52 Maenander wrote:
I just read up on the Air France Flight 447 accident.

The co-pilots were so used to all the automatic safety measures performed by the board computer that they didn't actually know how to fly the airplane when those measures had to be shut down because of a faulty sensor. I guess one of the dangers of modern planes and their sophisticated systems is that the pilots aren't as well prepared for emergencies as in the past when they had to do all the hard work themselves.


Not quite that simple.

Put it this way. It's not that they didn't know how to fly when the safety measures are gone, rather they didn't assess the situation in time before it got out of hand.

Take out the airspeed indicator, what do you have left? Altimetre, vertical speed indicator and pitch. At this time, the aircraft was in a stall. This meant that the altitude was dropping quickly, the vertical speed indicator was showing the drop rate and the pitch showed that the aircraft was nose high. In such a situation, you also see that the airspeed is very low. However the pilots didn't have access to this information. Nonetheless, with the other instruments on hand, they could have deduced what was going on. However, things can happen very quickly in a situation such as this.

The remedy to this kind of stall is pushing forward on the yoke, dropping the nose and regaining sufficient speed to once again fly normally. Getting out of a simple stall isn't difficult.

It isn't that the flight controls, autopilot and modern avionics make the aircraft so easy to fly that you forget how to actually fly. It's simply that pilots found themselves in a critical situation and failed to properly react to this situation, because they misread the situation*. These type of accidents also happen in general aviation (more frequently unless I'm mistaken), where everything is done "by hand".

*indeed, arguably a lack of training

Not sure if they had outside visual references to work with either, but they probably didn't. If the airliner had been flying by day and the crew had seen that the nose was up and the altitude was dropping quickly, they would have immediately realized they were stalling. I'm guessing it was dark outside and they didn't figure out what the aircraft was doing (in this case stalling). They probably assumed that the aircraft was diving and as such pulled on the stick to bring the nose up. The aircraft was already nose up and stalling, so it just continued stalling until it crashed. In their "defense", there's no force feedback in the stick in an A330, since it's fly-by-wire, so they couldn't "feel" their elevator, which would probably have also given them the hint needed to figure out what was going on.

It's kind of a stupid accident when you think about.

I actually agree with you.

My conclusion might be too simplified, but as you pointed out, they had more than enough time and working instruments to correctly assess the situation. They made very basic mistakes you wouldn't think an Air France pilot certified to fly such a plane is capable of making.

Yes it was a lack of training, but I would argue that their lack of training would have become apparent much earlier if it wasn't for the automatic systems.


I researched that crash for awhile and it was mainly the pilot at fault. A failed pitot tube shouldn't have caused a crash of a modern airliner. It was the timing and the pilot freaking out that caused it. Out of the 3 pilots there, the pilot that was actually flying the plane was the very least experienced out of the 3. Captain was on a sleeping break, 1st Officer wasn't flying because Captain gave controls to the Relief Pilot. That in itself was an awful choice because he took over in the middle of a harsh storm.

But it was still the relief pilot's fault, after soo long with the nose up to correct a "speed" issue, he SHOULD have known to push the nose down like everyone who knows about planes to correct a stall. Instead he kept the nose up for that entire time even when the 1st Officer took control, HE STILL had it up. When the Captain finally came and realized what was happening, it was just too late, all the time they had to correct the mistake was gone.

So many people lost, because 1 pilot, freaked out, didn't think it through and crashed a plane. There has been other times when a pitot tube caused a airliner crash as well, Air France 447 wasn't the only one. Just, in 447's case, the relief pilot who took control was stupid as it gets and just got it wrong.

Of course I hope MH370 didn't have the same issue but... 5 days now? No news about where the plane is?
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RCMDVA
Profile Joined July 2011
United States708 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-12 20:06:54
March 12 2014 20:03 GMT
#347
I still think if it went down in the water in the Thai Gulf or S China sea... pieces would have been pulled up in a fisherman's net by now. That has got to be one of the most over-fished waters in the world.

It would have to have been a nearly controlled landing... like Miracle on the Hudson.. and then have it sink in one piece. (for nothing to be found yet)

I just think nosediving into the jungle has the highest chance of explaining why nothing has been found yet.

Either that or it did a U-Turn and backtracked...and burned all its fuel and went down in the middle-of-nowhere Indian Ocean.

It had enough fuel on board to go ~3,000 miles. If it made the U-Turn you could be searching between Perth and Madagascar.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 12 2014 21:16 GMT
#348
Possible debris spotted by Chinese satellite.
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radiatoren
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Denmark1907 Posts
March 12 2014 21:19 GMT
#349
Seems China has released images from a satellite, showing 3 pieces that could be the main parts of the plane. It is found in the South China Sea near the expected flight path.
According to CNN
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 12 2014 21:37 GMT
#350
https://twitter.com/CNNSitRoom/status/443852151261896704/photo/1

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Agathon
Profile Joined February 2011
France1505 Posts
March 12 2014 23:39 GMT
#351
On March 13 2014 04:20 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
How deep is water in the search areas I wonder.


Medium depth of China sea is around 1.2 km. In miles...no idea...something between 0.7 or 0.8 miles.
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illidanx
Profile Joined November 2011
United States973 Posts
March 13 2014 00:19 GMT
#352
On March 13 2014 08:39 Agathon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2014 04:20 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
How deep is water in the search areas I wonder.


Medium depth of China sea is around 1.2 km. In miles...no idea...something between 0.7 or 0.8 miles.


much less than that, this is the near-land portion of the South China Sea, CNN says it's only 200ft.
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zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
March 13 2014 00:43 GMT
#353
On March 13 2014 05:03 RCMDVA wrote:
I still think if it went down in the water in the Thai Gulf or S China sea... pieces would have been pulled up in a fisherman's net by now. That has got to be one of the most over-fished waters in the world.

It would have to have been a nearly controlled landing... like Miracle on the Hudson.. and then have it sink in one piece. (for nothing to be found yet)

I just think nosediving into the jungle has the highest chance of explaining why nothing has been found yet.

Either that or it did a U-Turn and backtracked...and burned all its fuel and went down in the middle-of-nowhere Indian Ocean.

It had enough fuel on board to go ~3,000 miles. If it made the U-Turn you could be searching between Perth and Madagascar.


if it went down in the jungle, i think that would be the easiest to spot with satellite wouldnt it?
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19343 Posts
March 13 2014 03:18 GMT
#354
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image from a chinese satellite. doesn't look like a plane tho
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Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
March 13 2014 03:38 GMT
#355
Crashed planes don't look like planes usually.
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19343 Posts
March 13 2014 03:39 GMT
#356
do they disintegrate hitting the water? (serious question because i really dont know) i thought they somehow float intact
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Dogfoodboy16
Profile Joined October 2013
364 Posts
March 13 2014 03:44 GMT
#357
looks like a speedboat imo
Yezzus
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States2318 Posts
March 13 2014 03:55 GMT
#358
This is a really scary/weird story tbh

what if this is LOST irl???
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
March 13 2014 04:13 GMT
#359
On March 13 2014 12:39 icystorage wrote:
do they disintegrate hitting the water? (serious question because i really dont know) i thought they somehow float intact


Would imagine that depends on how they hit the water, no? If they hit it at a glide speed, then they could probably float. If they hit it at a hard crash angle, the plane would surely break up. Water can be less forgiving than land.
Yargh
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-13 04:23:59
March 13 2014 04:23 GMT
#360
On March 13 2014 12:55 Yezzus wrote:
This is a really scary/weird story tbh

what if this is LOST irl???


"this is going to be like lost" march 7th someone else who thought it was funny

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