• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:30
CEST 18:30
KST 01:30
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt2: Take-Off7[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway132v2 & SC: Evo Complete: Weekend Double Feature4Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy9uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event18
Community News
Weekly Cups (Aug 18-24): herO dethrones MaxPax6Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris31Weekly Cups (Aug 11-17): MaxPax triples again!13Weekly Cups (Aug 4-10): MaxPax wins a triple6SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 195
StarCraft 2
General
Aligulac - Europe takes the podium A Eulogy for the Six Pool Geoff 'iNcontroL' Robinson has passed away Weekly Cups (Aug 18-24): herO dethrones MaxPax 2v2 & SC: Evo Complete: Weekend Double Feature
Tourneys
Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris Esports World Cup 2025 WardiTV Mondays RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 488 What Goes Around Mutation # 487 Think Fast Mutation # 486 Watch the Skies Mutation # 485 Death from Below
Brood War
General
ASL Season 20 Ro24 Groups Flash On His 2010 "God" Form, Mind Games, vs JD No Rain in ASL20? Joined effort [ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt2: Take-Off
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro24 Group F [ASL20] Ro24 Group D [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [IPSL] CSLAN Review and CSLPRO Reimagined!
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The year 2050 European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
High temperatures on bridge(s) Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment"
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale
Blogs
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Breaking the Meta: Non-Stand…
TrAiDoS
INDEPENDIENTE LA CTM
XenOsky
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Sharpening the Filtration…
frozenclaw
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1158 users

Direct Proof of Dark Matter Found! - Page 4

Forum Index > General Forum
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
the living legend
Profile Joined August 2006
8 Posts
August 21 2006 23:37 GMT
#61
--- Nuked ---
lil.sis
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
China4650 Posts
August 21 2006 23:38 GMT
#62
On August 22 2006 08:31 WhatisProtoss wrote:

[image loading]




you are wrong
好好喝喝天天快乐
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
August 21 2006 23:46 GMT
#63
hahaha... i bet none of you know a shit about the subject and just googling for arguments and pics.
Rillanon.au
rpf289
Profile Joined October 2004
United States3524 Posts
August 21 2006 23:51 GMT
#64
This is pretty interesting. Thanks for posting the findings here.

Although, I'm curious--what if dark matter exists in other places, such as on the Earth itself? I mean, if we can't see it, how do we know it's there (or isn't there)? I'm also curious if dark matter can be passed through, or if it's still a solid, although it isn't visible.
WhatisProtoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Korea (South)2325 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-08-22 00:47:44
August 21 2006 23:53 GMT
#65
Dark matter can't exist on Earth.
merz
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Sweden2760 Posts
August 21 2006 23:56 GMT
#66
Holy shit. I can't understand shit and it pisses me off so bad. Makes me feel like I'm back in 1st grade or something.
Winners never quit, quitters never win.
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
August 21 2006 23:58 GMT
#67
if dark matter existed on earth then common physic knowledge implies that earth inself must be either dark matter or part of dark matter. which is impossible because u can see shit.
Rillanon.au
the living legend
Profile Joined August 2006
8 Posts
August 22 2006 00:01 GMT
#68
--- Nuked ---
maoam
Profile Joined June 2006
United Kingdom444 Posts
August 22 2006 01:25 GMT
#69
Yeah, nice diagram, WhatIsProtoss. Forgetting the gravitational frequency shifts and other relativistic effects though, aren't we?
I oink therefore I ham.
sundance
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Slovakia3201 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-08-22 03:17:07
August 22 2006 01:43 GMT
#70
Thx for posting.Very interesting.


As far as i don't care about Reason (i just ignore him) , Whatisprotoss is completly ridiculously clueless idiot.You have no clue about so many things and you still for some reason like to post your idiotic posts.
EDIT: I'm not talking about that GPS thing.
Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-08-22 02:24:47
August 22 2006 02:24 GMT
#71
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPS#Time_dilation

Basically, the frequency emitted by GPS satellites is about 0.00000005% slower than the frequency that we receive on earth. The satellites intentionally emit a frequency slightly slower than the one we want to receive here on Earth to compensate for time dilation effects.

General relativity doesn't appear anywhere else in that article.
maoam
Profile Joined June 2006
United Kingdom444 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-08-22 02:34:47
August 22 2006 02:32 GMT
#72
Thank God for John Baez, the man has a clue: http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/RelWWW/wrong.html#gps
I oink therefore I ham.
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-08-22 02:48:47
August 22 2006 02:44 GMT
#73
I'm about 60% of the way reading through this article and I have to say: you should have given us a summary -_-;;. If everyone ignores it because it's too long and isn't straight-to-the-point, then I don't blame them.

Edit: Okay, there is only ONE relevant paragraph in the whole bloody article. Honestly this is the last time I am ever going to read something like that again. Next time, quote the relevant sections, or else I think it's fair for everyone to disregard it.

It is completely false that the design of the GPS system ignores relativity theory. Relativistic effects in the GPS system are vitally important. The total difference in the rate of atomic clocks on board a GPS satellite and the reference clock at the USNO amounts to some 38,600 nanoseconds per day. (This is mostly due to a combination of the Sagnac effect for a clock which is moving wrt the GPS receiver, and the relative gravitational time dilation between a stationary clock on the Earth's surface and a stationary clock 20,200 km above the surface, as mentioned in the above quoted paragraph from Ashby's paper; frequency shifts in clocks on the ground wrt UTC due to inhomogeneties in the shape of the Earth also play a role.) In contrast, in order to maintain the accuracies listed above, the GPS system must maintain a timekeeping synchrony within 10 nanoseconds variation per day, indefinitely! The major way in which the 38,600 nanosecond per day discrepancy due to relativistic effects is accounted for is by building into the GPS software used to keep the satellite clocks in synch with each other and to synchronize GPS time with UTC an effective downward frequency shift of 446.47 parts per trillion in the orbiting atomic clocks. In addition to this basic conversion factor, GPS receivers are programmed to take account for the fact that slight eccentricities in the satellite orbits result in tiny periodic changes in the frequency of the orbiting clocks.


The best part is that it doesn't even tell us how much accuracy we would lose if we did not take time dilation into account.

So in conclusion, unless you can explain otherwise, this article is useless.
maoam
Profile Joined June 2006
United Kingdom444 Posts
August 22 2006 02:48 GMT
#74
You're right it does get quite technical, but I'd rather you didn't take my word for it.
I oink therefore I ham.
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-08-22 02:51:58
August 22 2006 02:50 GMT
#75
On August 22 2006 11:48 maoam wrote:
You're right it does get quite technical, but I'd rather you didn't take my word for it.


Then post the link AND quote the key parts of the text. That way, if someone doesn't want to take your word for it, then they can just go and read the whole article.

Edit: by the way, before today I had always believed that it was crucial for GPS to take general relativity into account. But honestly, right now I'm just not seeing the evidence to back it up.
maoam
Profile Joined June 2006
United Kingdom444 Posts
August 22 2006 02:53 GMT
#76
Well, that's basically asking me to explain all the pertinent calculations to a lay audience. I'd rather concede the argument than take the time to do that for the sake of "winning" a thread on tl.net
I oink therefore I ham.
mel_ee
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
2448 Posts
August 22 2006 02:58 GMT
#77
im so lost.
Behold the bold soldier, control the globe slowly proceeds to blow swingin swords like Shinobi
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
August 22 2006 03:02 GMT
#78
then why did u argue when you can not explain your point properly? We might all be clueless on this subject but at least WhatisProtoss try to explain his understanding instead of others who just call him wrong but tell anything why he is wrong.
Rillanon.au
maoam
Profile Joined June 2006
United Kingdom444 Posts
August 22 2006 03:14 GMT
#79
I don't really care enough basically.
I oink therefore I ham.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24698 Posts
August 22 2006 03:22 GMT
#80
I am going to go out on a limb here and suggest that this 'direct empirical proof' of dark matter that the Harvard Scientists presented is not really proof. More like a slightly more certain analysis than the previous. The paper: http://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/2006/1e0657/media/paper.pdf
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 7h 30m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech103
UpATreeSC 56
BRAT_OK 32
MindelVK 16
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 31368
Calm 6276
Horang2 1535
Bisu 1420
Rain 1386
EffOrt 740
actioN 466
Mini 447
Larva 387
ggaemo 253
[ Show more ]
Soulkey 171
Hyuk 155
Mong 139
PianO 117
Snow 73
Killer 54
JYJ52
sas.Sziky 52
Hyun 51
Sharp 43
ajuk12(nOOB) 33
Yoon 30
ToSsGirL 30
Aegong 22
Sacsri 15
soO 15
HiyA 15
Free 14
Rock 14
zelot 13
Shine 12
Terrorterran 10
IntoTheRainbow 9
scan(afreeca) 9
Beast 3
Dota 2
Gorgc6710
Dendi1287
syndereN470
Fuzer 240
XcaliburYe199
Counter-Strike
fl0m3725
olofmeister2471
flusha161
Other Games
hiko1046
FrodaN732
Lowko468
RotterdaM256
KnowMe229
Trikslyr75
QueenE42
markeloff37
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta15
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV551
League of Legends
• TFBlade631
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
7h 30m
The PondCast
17h 30m
WardiTV Summer Champion…
18h 30m
herO vs MaxPax
Clem vs Classic
Replay Cast
1d 7h
LiuLi Cup
1d 18h
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs herO
Cure vs Rogue
Classic vs HeRoMaRinE
Cosmonarchy
1d 23h
OyAji vs Sziky
Sziky vs WolFix
WolFix vs OyAji
BSL Team Wars
2 days
Team Hawk vs Team Dewalt
BSL Team Wars
2 days
Team Hawk vs Team Bonyth
SC Evo League
2 days
TaeJa vs Cure
Rogue vs threepoint
ByuN vs Creator
MaNa vs Classic
Maestros of the Game
2 days
ShoWTimE vs Cham
GuMiho vs Ryung
Zoun vs Spirit
Rogue vs MaNa
[ Show More ]
[BSL 2025] Weekly
3 days
SC Evo League
3 days
Maestros of the Game
3 days
SHIN vs Creator
Astrea vs Lambo
Bunny vs SKillous
HeRoMaRinE vs TriGGeR
BSL Team Wars
4 days
Team Bonyth vs Team Sziky
BSL Team Wars
4 days
Team Dewalt vs Team Sziky
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSLAN 3
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20
CSL Season 18: Qualifier 1
Acropolis #4 - TS1
CSL Season 18: Qualifier 2
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025

Upcoming

CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
EC S1
Sisters' Call Cup
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.