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the living legend
Profile Joined August 2006
8 Posts
August 21 2006 23:37 GMT
#61
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lil.sis
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
China4650 Posts
August 21 2006 23:38 GMT
#62
On August 22 2006 08:31 WhatisProtoss wrote:

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you are wrong
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haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
August 21 2006 23:46 GMT
#63
hahaha... i bet none of you know a shit about the subject and just googling for arguments and pics.
Rillanon.au
rpf289
Profile Joined October 2004
United States3524 Posts
August 21 2006 23:51 GMT
#64
This is pretty interesting. Thanks for posting the findings here.

Although, I'm curious--what if dark matter exists in other places, such as on the Earth itself? I mean, if we can't see it, how do we know it's there (or isn't there)? I'm also curious if dark matter can be passed through, or if it's still a solid, although it isn't visible.
WhatisProtoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Korea (South)2325 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-08-22 00:47:44
August 21 2006 23:53 GMT
#65
Dark matter can't exist on Earth.
merz
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Sweden2760 Posts
August 21 2006 23:56 GMT
#66
Holy shit. I can't understand shit and it pisses me off so bad. Makes me feel like I'm back in 1st grade or something.
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haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
August 21 2006 23:58 GMT
#67
if dark matter existed on earth then common physic knowledge implies that earth inself must be either dark matter or part of dark matter. which is impossible because u can see shit.
Rillanon.au
the living legend
Profile Joined August 2006
8 Posts
August 22 2006 00:01 GMT
#68
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maoam
Profile Joined June 2006
United Kingdom444 Posts
August 22 2006 01:25 GMT
#69
Yeah, nice diagram, WhatIsProtoss. Forgetting the gravitational frequency shifts and other relativistic effects though, aren't we?
I oink therefore I ham.
sundance
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Slovakia3201 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-08-22 03:17:07
August 22 2006 01:43 GMT
#70
Thx for posting.Very interesting.


As far as i don't care about Reason (i just ignore him) , Whatisprotoss is completly ridiculously clueless idiot.You have no clue about so many things and you still for some reason like to post your idiotic posts.
EDIT: I'm not talking about that GPS thing.
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Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-08-22 02:24:47
August 22 2006 02:24 GMT
#71
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPS#Time_dilation

Basically, the frequency emitted by GPS satellites is about 0.00000005% slower than the frequency that we receive on earth. The satellites intentionally emit a frequency slightly slower than the one we want to receive here on Earth to compensate for time dilation effects.

General relativity doesn't appear anywhere else in that article.
maoam
Profile Joined June 2006
United Kingdom444 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-08-22 02:34:47
August 22 2006 02:32 GMT
#72
Thank God for John Baez, the man has a clue: http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/RelWWW/wrong.html#gps
I oink therefore I ham.
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-08-22 02:48:47
August 22 2006 02:44 GMT
#73
I'm about 60% of the way reading through this article and I have to say: you should have given us a summary -_-;;. If everyone ignores it because it's too long and isn't straight-to-the-point, then I don't blame them.

Edit: Okay, there is only ONE relevant paragraph in the whole bloody article. Honestly this is the last time I am ever going to read something like that again. Next time, quote the relevant sections, or else I think it's fair for everyone to disregard it.

It is completely false that the design of the GPS system ignores relativity theory. Relativistic effects in the GPS system are vitally important. The total difference in the rate of atomic clocks on board a GPS satellite and the reference clock at the USNO amounts to some 38,600 nanoseconds per day. (This is mostly due to a combination of the Sagnac effect for a clock which is moving wrt the GPS receiver, and the relative gravitational time dilation between a stationary clock on the Earth's surface and a stationary clock 20,200 km above the surface, as mentioned in the above quoted paragraph from Ashby's paper; frequency shifts in clocks on the ground wrt UTC due to inhomogeneties in the shape of the Earth also play a role.) In contrast, in order to maintain the accuracies listed above, the GPS system must maintain a timekeeping synchrony within 10 nanoseconds variation per day, indefinitely! The major way in which the 38,600 nanosecond per day discrepancy due to relativistic effects is accounted for is by building into the GPS software used to keep the satellite clocks in synch with each other and to synchronize GPS time with UTC an effective downward frequency shift of 446.47 parts per trillion in the orbiting atomic clocks. In addition to this basic conversion factor, GPS receivers are programmed to take account for the fact that slight eccentricities in the satellite orbits result in tiny periodic changes in the frequency of the orbiting clocks.


The best part is that it doesn't even tell us how much accuracy we would lose if we did not take time dilation into account.

So in conclusion, unless you can explain otherwise, this article is useless.
maoam
Profile Joined June 2006
United Kingdom444 Posts
August 22 2006 02:48 GMT
#74
You're right it does get quite technical, but I'd rather you didn't take my word for it.
I oink therefore I ham.
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-08-22 02:51:58
August 22 2006 02:50 GMT
#75
On August 22 2006 11:48 maoam wrote:
You're right it does get quite technical, but I'd rather you didn't take my word for it.


Then post the link AND quote the key parts of the text. That way, if someone doesn't want to take your word for it, then they can just go and read the whole article.

Edit: by the way, before today I had always believed that it was crucial for GPS to take general relativity into account. But honestly, right now I'm just not seeing the evidence to back it up.
maoam
Profile Joined June 2006
United Kingdom444 Posts
August 22 2006 02:53 GMT
#76
Well, that's basically asking me to explain all the pertinent calculations to a lay audience. I'd rather concede the argument than take the time to do that for the sake of "winning" a thread on tl.net
I oink therefore I ham.
mel_ee
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
2450 Posts
August 22 2006 02:58 GMT
#77
im so lost.
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haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
August 22 2006 03:02 GMT
#78
then why did u argue when you can not explain your point properly? We might all be clueless on this subject but at least WhatisProtoss try to explain his understanding instead of others who just call him wrong but tell anything why he is wrong.
Rillanon.au
maoam
Profile Joined June 2006
United Kingdom444 Posts
August 22 2006 03:14 GMT
#79
I don't really care enough basically.
I oink therefore I ham.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24787 Posts
August 22 2006 03:22 GMT
#80
I am going to go out on a limb here and suggest that this 'direct empirical proof' of dark matter that the Harvard Scientists presented is not really proof. More like a slightly more certain analysis than the previous. The paper: http://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/2006/1e0657/media/paper.pdf
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