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oDieN[Siege]
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2904 Posts
April 21 2024 23:04 GMT
#2561
Amazing matches so far! Tune in if you guys haven't already!
This current Fabiano vs Ian match tho...
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4195 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-22 07:48:30
April 22 2024 07:48 GMT
#2562
The ending was.. more underwhelming than I expected, with both games ending in a draw.. but oh, well. Still one of the best and most exciting Candidates Tournaments ever. Second only to London 2013, which still holds the crown in my opinion.

Huge congratulations to the winner - Gukesh D! He has big chances to become the youngest WCC and by quite a margin, considering Ding Liren's form this year.

Should be an interesting match for the title, that's for sure.
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ZeroByte13
Profile Joined March 2022
765 Posts
April 22 2024 08:33 GMT
#2563
According to FIDE site, Gukesh D is #16 with rating 2743.
Has there been a lower ranking winning candidate before?
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4195 Posts
April 24 2024 07:40 GMT
#2564
On April 22 2024 17:33 ZeroByte13 wrote:
According to FIDE site, Gukesh D is #16 with rating 2743.
Has there been a lower ranking winning candidate before?

I don't recall a lower ranking Candidates Tournament winner, no. I'm pretty sure every single one before Gukesh D was in FIDE top 10 before the tournament start.

So.. will Gukesh D become (by far) the youngest WCC ever? What are your thoughts and predictions, guys?
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0x64
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Finland4555 Posts
April 24 2024 08:06 GMT
#2565
Gukesh is 17, so his current rank is like with all kids, undervalued :D damn! Ding better bring some magic mojo with him.
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4195 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-27 20:08:01
April 27 2024 20:06 GMT
#2566
We have another big drama in the chess (streaming) community, btw. It's about gambling this time.

Kinda tiresome. Idk if streaming was really that good for chess overall, ngl. Probably not.
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Mikau
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands1446 Posts
April 27 2024 21:02 GMT
#2567
Could you give some actual information? Googling combinations of chess, streaming, gambling and drama aren't giving any results other than some shit that happened in 2021.
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
April 27 2024 21:09 GMT
#2568
Ths is not the kind of chess drama I was hoping for, when I clicked on the thread.

Different question for the experienced/capable chess players: will my blitz chess improve from studying or playing classical chess? I have kind of been stuck around beginner level, playing casual blitz and wonder how to approavh improving.
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4098 Posts
April 27 2024 22:30 GMT
#2569
On April 28 2024 06:09 Branch.AUT wrote:
Ths is not the kind of chess drama I was hoping for, when I clicked on the thread.

Different question for the experienced/capable chess players: will my blitz chess improve from studying or playing classical chess? I have kind of been stuck around beginner level, playing casual blitz and wonder how to approavh improving.


I believe, if you want to improve at blitz specifically, it's probably good to spend most of your time playing blitz. That's just my personal opinion as someone who has played 15-20 thousand online blitz games but no classical games in recent years.
Format-specific time management is an essential piece to success. It makes a big difference if - while you may not find the best moves (which is a given, we're humans after all) - you just keep making reasonable looking moves and create small problems until your opponent breaks under time pressure. This is roughly half of Hikaru's winning formula.

The best way to improve (at any time format) is to just play a lot, read many chess books and analyze with engines, and sometimes play against a strong engine (without time pressure) to see their ideas. All of that practice should carry over into every chess game you'll ever play.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4195 Posts
April 28 2024 09:51 GMT
#2570
On April 28 2024 06:02 Mikau wrote:
Could you give some actual information? Googling combinations of chess, streaming, gambling and drama aren't giving any results other than some shit that happened in 2021.


here you go --> https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/1cdtude/on_gambling_stream_hikaru_says_kramnik_won_he/

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https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/1cehi2o/kramnik_takes_a_rare_w/
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Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
April 28 2024 11:38 GMT
#2571
I understand that time management is impirtant for blitz time controls, and I am no stranger to flagging my opponent from a bad situation on the board. Since I play mainly blitz (5minutes or 3 minutes, no increment) this is a common situation.

My play is not at a level where this is crucial though. Im having a hard time making 20 moves without blundering a piece. I play 1100rating on a good day. I think my main issue is that I focus to much on my own stuff, and don't give much consideration to an opponent.
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4098 Posts
April 28 2024 12:24 GMT
#2572
On April 28 2024 20:38 Branch.AUT wrote:
I understand that time management is impirtant for blitz time controls, and I am no stranger to flagging my opponent from a bad situation on the board. Since I play mainly blitz (5minutes or 3 minutes, no increment) this is a common situation.

My play is not at a level where this is crucial though. Im having a hard time making 20 moves without blundering a piece. I play 1100rating on a good day. I think my main issue is that I focus to much on my own stuff, and don't give much consideration to an opponent.


I think you've made a very good observation. Your opponent is always trying to get you to make a mistake and then exploit it. Good chess players learn to see a threat when it appears, and the best ones see the threat ahead of time. The better a player is, the further ahead they can see a threat coming, and they have a response ready to most threats.

I think this skill is best acquired from playing against engines of various strengths and trying to understand how they force you to make mistakes and how they capitalize on them, and also how they handle threats that you try to create against them. Over time this will give you an understanding of the ideas behind threats and counter threats, and it will train you to see things coming before they become a problem (for you or for your opponent).
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
FO-nTTaX
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Johto4934 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-30 09:32:53
April 30 2024 09:32 GMT
#2573
On April 28 2024 06:09 Branch.AUT wrote:
Different question for the experienced/capable chess players: will my blitz chess improve from studying or playing classical chess? I have kind of been stuck around beginner level, playing casual blitz and wonder how to approavh improving.

Unless you're reaching into the higher elo reaches, I think every game mode will help you improve. Blitz is about time management, yes, but also about good game sense. The more you play, the better your game sense will become, that's true for any game you play.
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0x64
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Finland4555 Posts
April 30 2024 09:55 GMT
#2574
On April 28 2024 21:24 Magic Powers wrote:
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On April 28 2024 20:38 Branch.AUT wrote:
I understand that time management is impirtant for blitz time controls, and I am no stranger to flagging my opponent from a bad situation on the board. Since I play mainly blitz (5minutes or 3 minutes, no increment) this is a common situation.

My play is not at a level where this is crucial though. Im having a hard time making 20 moves without blundering a piece. I play 1100rating on a good day. I think my main issue is that I focus to much on my own stuff, and don't give much consideration to an opponent.


I think you've made a very good observation. Your opponent is always trying to get you to make a mistake and then exploit it. Good chess players learn to see a threat when it appears, and the best ones see the threat ahead of time. The better a player is, the further ahead they can see a threat coming, and they have a response ready to most threats.

I think this skill is best acquired from playing against engines of various strengths and trying to understand how they force you to make mistakes and how they capitalize on them, and also how they handle threats that you try to create against them. Over time this will give you an understanding of the ideas behind threats and counter threats, and it will train you to see things coming before they become a problem (for you or for your opponent).


Yeah chess is about thinking outside the box, but it is also a game of boxes inside boxes.

You can't really learn to think about what your opponent is trying to achieve with puzzles.
And at a low level, the main issue is that your opponent often will do a move without a reason.

Progressing from 1100 upward is all about following mental lists. 1. What each of the opponent's pieces can attack 2. What my pieces can attack 3. What are undefended pieces on the board -> Can they be forked, pinned, discovered attack..

Around 1100, you clearly feel that the player has blind spots.
On chess.com puzzle rush are a good training to get started removing blind spot. Do 15 minutes of those daily, with a goal of reaching a score of 30 in 3 minutes rush.

This does not help you improve uniformly but it will speed up going through the list.

I did a very silly blunder last week against a lower rated kid, I really just did not see what his move was menacing and it was a direct attack on a pawn that had a pinned defender. So even at higher level, these happens when you focus too much on what you are trying to do.

And yeah I am completing your answer to Branch .
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Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
April 30 2024 10:08 GMT
#2575
Thank you all, for your answers!
I think that am reasonably good at solving puzzles, and seeing tactics. Im just not that good at applying that skill, before moving my pieces every time.

For now, my goal and road to improve is - play 3 games a day, at high concentration and withou lt distraction.

And implent the following mental checklist before moving:
*Are my piecs attacked and defended + how many times each
*Is the square im moving to attacked and defended + how many times each
*Are my opponents pieces defended or hangig.

And during my opponents turn:
*What pieces are hanging
*How can I attack this hanging piece
*What has changed after my opponent made a move

If I have time and energy, I will also check puzzle rush. So far, I haven't played that much, and usualy gotten 15-20 solves.
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4098 Posts
April 30 2024 10:51 GMT
#2576
As long as puzzles are fun, definitely keep doing them. If you notice your rating going up every few months, then it's probably a good way for you to improve.
Personally my rating range stopped increasing after a few thousand puzzles, so I shifted my focus to engine practice and that helped tremendously. So the puzzles that I used to do laid part of the foundation (for pattern recognition, creativity, basic combinations and such things), and then engine practice helped me take the next step.

I try to follow in Carlsen's footsteps. He said that he always does whatever he's interested in, he doesn't have a strict set of tasks to be completed. This helps maintain interest long term, and I'd argue that's the most important part of enjoying chess.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
0x64
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Finland4555 Posts
April 30 2024 12:47 GMT
#2577
I have limited time to train or to play. I take 1 hour lesson per week with a bulgarian GM that coaches few other in our club.
I play also the french second league, this season we finished second, so close to the first league.

My opponent average was probably around 1950 and I got 6.5/8. Next season, I hope we have a stronger team, with 2-3 junior rising. One made it from 1980 to straight to 2120 in one tournament.

We also end up usually losing those juniors when they start university studies.

Our team does not have yet the level to do a good first league season but we will get there.
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Diermait
Profile Joined April 2024
8 Posts
April 30 2024 13:11 GMT
#2578
On April 28 2024 20:38 Branch.AUT wrote:
I understand that time management is impirtant for blitz time controls, and I am no stranger to flagging my opponent from a bad situation on the board. Since I play mainly blitz (5minutes or 3 minutes, no increment) this is a common situation.

My play is not at a level where this is crucial though. Im having a hard time making 20 moves without blundering a piece. I play 1100rating on a good day. I think my main issue is that I focus to much on my own stuff, and don't give much consideration to an opponent.


It would be better to play 15 minute chess. That way, you have time to always force yourself to consider at least some opponent's moves.

One you get stronger, you automatically see blunders. Instead of seeing just chess position, and you having to manually move pieces in your mind, what will eventually happen is that when you see a position, in your mind you automatically start making moves. Like the future moves are hidden inside the position. Your brain automatically makes the tactics and forcing moves pop out. You see all the forks and pins and skewers or overloaded pieces.

This is why those tactics puzzles are so powerful. Once you get stronger, you will immediately see 2 to 4 moves for each position that are obvious candidates. And the same will be true for your opponent's responses. Only then you can actually calculate. Because if every move seems equally good, we humans can't calculate. We have to get the pattern recognition, basic chess principles, and strategic & positional goals. And then the ability to calculate concrete lines at least a few moves deep.

When you get stronger and you put your queen on a diagonal which your opponent's bishop may occupy, you already realize this danger before you make that queen move. And you look at how positions can happen where first the opponent's bishop goes there, and then your or their center pawns move to open up a discovery attack on your queen. You see threads before they happen. Instead of 64 squares, the entire board just becomes one square. And it won't matter how far away pieces are from each other.

Probably your first goal in chess is, and maybe that's generally already above your 1100 rating level, is to never move your queen into a square where your opponent can just capture it. And I mean without a tactic. We all did that a lot when we started, of course. And it still happens sometimes to people way above 1100 in blitz.
But once you get stronger, you naturally know which squares are currently under attack by your opponent's pieces. As if they have their own colour. And all you need to do is when you make a queen move, is to pick a square that doesn't have that colour.

I don't know why exactly you lose the games you lose and what your current strength and weaknesses are.
But one thing that's really good is to do checkmate in 2/3/4 puzzles. And calculate the checkmate. Find the forcing line, before you make your move. Especially with the easier ones, it is often pretty obvious which move is the first move to lead to checkmate. But the practice you get here is to move 4 moves deep, inside your mind, in lines that are very forcing. This practices visualization. Best are the really easy checkmates in 4 where the opponent has only 1 legal response except for the final mate, where there are 2. And you find the entire sequence before you give your answer.

Another thing is to do the mates with KQ vs K and KR v K over and over. They can happen a lot and in blitz especially it seems at 1100 many people don'teven know how to mate with KR x K when they have less than 30 seconds left.
0x64
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Finland4555 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-30 13:30:32
April 30 2024 13:29 GMT
#2579
[image loading]


Testing if discord images can be linked here.

EDIT: Classical game by Marshall, if I am not mistaken, Find the mate for black. Consider all moves and variation.
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0x64
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Finland4555 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-30 13:32:29
April 30 2024 13:32 GMT
#2580
[image loading]


You will hate me, but try to find mate in 2. It's a tough one! White to move.
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