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While they're at it, why not censor all profanity on the internet as well.
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On July 24 2013 00:47 darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 00:44 FFW_Rude wrote:On July 24 2013 00:42 darkness wrote:
Restricting a few porn websites to me is like "I'm going to try to restrict a small part to see if we can restrict the Internet even more in the future". They're just trying to see how people would react now. Why oh why would you think that ? Governments are not out trying to get you. If they wanted to restricts some things you would never know and they would have done it WAYYYY sooner. Also for the lulz  Check out OP's name. It's just perfect Considering how PRISM, Tempora (UK), SOPA, ACTA, etc were so recent, anything can be possible from retarded governments.
I don't think calling governement "retarded" is a way. Well... Some are not doing their job really well (or so it seems). But i think those people are really smart and that they are doing thing that we can't see or understand.
We are in an age of freedom, evrything is getting freeer. Of course governements want to try to keep it under control. If evrything is free, this is anarchy
But they just can't do it. They will sometimes succeed to prevent you to do things but 10 more things will get out of their controls.
On topic, it's not a restrictive of freedom because you just can say : "opt in", "opt out". So no freedom is hurt threre you have the freedom to chose.
I am not sure if my writting is understandable so don't flame me 
I may sound as a conspiracy, but this sums it up:
On July 24 2013 00:28 archonOOid wrote:
First they came for the porn, then they'll come for "piracy" and later they'll come for your freedom.
I don't think so (my opinion). They should get rid of piracy. It's NORMAL that they want to. I would be a sad panda but it's illegal. They want to get rid of it. It's hurting in some way people or companies. Of course companies should do other things and have there medias reinvented or something but for now. It's hurting them.
Am i going off topic ?
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On July 24 2013 00:52 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 00:47 darkness wrote:On July 24 2013 00:44 FFW_Rude wrote:On July 24 2013 00:42 darkness wrote:
Restricting a few porn websites to me is like "I'm going to try to restrict a small part to see if we can restrict the Internet even more in the future". They're just trying to see how people would react now. Why oh why would you think that ? Governments are not out trying to get you. If they wanted to restricts some things you would never know and they would have done it WAYYYY sooner. Also for the lulz Check out OP's name. It's just perfect Considering how PRISM, Tempora (UK), SOPA, ACTA, etc were so recent, anything can be possible from retarded governments. I don't think calling governement "retarded" is a way. Well... Some are not doing their job really well (or so it seems). But i think those people are really smart and that they are doing thing that we can't see or understand. We are in an age of freedom, evrything is getting freeer. Of course governements want to try to keep it under control. If evrything is free, this is anarchy But they just can't do it. They will sometimes succeed to prevent you to do things but 10 more things will get out of their controls. On topic, it's not a restrictive of freedom because you just can say : "opt in", "opt out". So no freedom is hurt threre I am not sure if my writting is understandable so don't flame me
Problem is that you have to "opt in", instead of "opt out".
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The irony in all this is they are going to be blocking it from the kids most of which are more computer savvy that the people making the policies
there are 12 year olds making their own linux distributions... I doubt they will have much trouble getting past some simple blocks. Plus as soon as one of them figure it out you can be pretty sure he will tweet/facebook/google+ to everyone of his frieds who will just do the same. If anything this ban will be most effective against the older generation
PS: I wonder if this will effect Peer-Peer and torrents... maybe this initial move is just part of a great plan to get rid of peer-peer and torrents completely so polititians can get backhanders from the media industry.
LOL...
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On July 24 2013 00:55 Grovbolle wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 00:52 FFW_Rude wrote:On July 24 2013 00:47 darkness wrote:On July 24 2013 00:44 FFW_Rude wrote:On July 24 2013 00:42 darkness wrote:
Restricting a few porn websites to me is like "I'm going to try to restrict a small part to see if we can restrict the Internet even more in the future". They're just trying to see how people would react now. Why oh why would you think that ? Governments are not out trying to get you. If they wanted to restricts some things you would never know and they would have done it WAYYYY sooner. Also for the lulz Check out OP's name. It's just perfect Considering how PRISM, Tempora (UK), SOPA, ACTA, etc were so recent, anything can be possible from retarded governments. I don't think calling governement "retarded" is a way. Well... Some are not doing their job really well (or so it seems). But i think those people are really smart and that they are doing thing that we can't see or understand. We are in an age of freedom, evrything is getting freeer. Of course governements want to try to keep it under control. If evrything is free, this is anarchy But they just can't do it. They will sometimes succeed to prevent you to do things but 10 more things will get out of their controls. On topic, it's not a restrictive of freedom because you just can say : "opt in", "opt out". So no freedom is hurt threre I am not sure if my writting is understandable so don't flame me Problem is that you have to "opt in", instead of "opt out".
Why is it a problem ? i don't see the big deal.
In France for exemple when you pay tax, you have "I HAVE A TV" checked by default. You don't have one ? You uncheck.
By default it's : "NO PORN". So uncheck it.
On July 24 2013 00:55 MulletMurdoc wrote:
The irony in all this is they are going to be blocking it from the kids most of which are more computer savvy that the people making the policies
there are 12 year olds making their own linux distributions... I doubt they will have much trouble getting past some simple blocks. Plus as soon as one of them figure it out you can be pretty sure he will tweet/facebook/google+ to everyone of his frieds who will just do the same. If anything this ban will be most effective against the older generation
LOL...
So your argument is : "Why making locks harder when people will invent lockpicks" ?
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On July 24 2013 00:40 r.Evo wrote:
Any plans to make consensual non-consent illegal in the bedroom yet?
Nah Big Brother has been kind enough to let us have consensual roleplay in the bedroom for now, but obviously if we film our consensual roleplay we're sex offenders.
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This isn't too surprising. "For the Children!" is a pretty classic refrain in the post-WW2 era for when groups want to run roughshod over most laws & civil protections. Just wait until they start arguing they should put CCTVs in homes "for the children". George Orwell, the great Sage.
While not completely about taxes, much of the US Indepedence was about a fairly reasonable tax placed on goods. Most of the "Acts" that caused the major political backlash weren't actually very "bad" in direct or economic terms. It was the fact that they could be imposed with no "say" in the matter. When Authorities have complete license, you are simply a subject to them. This is just one of the ways that Power will be abused. We don't call it the "Nanny State" for nothing.
I also have a little schadenfreude I'll admit to. The "Those Back-water, Bible Thumping Americans!" line of derision from the major European media is normally just passive aggressive projection, but occasionally we do take some strange/self-defeating positions. But this one is pretty damn hilarious. A modern, first world country is going to ban most Porn and it isn't the USA. There's going to be some funny cognitive dissonance happening on this topic.
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This is Chinese style censorship. I mean what is next, censoring political speech? Censoring controversial speech? Censoring "conspiracy theories" or rather declassified false flag operations like operation Gladio that government don't want known?
And it always begins to keep people safe, to protect the children, to fight the bad guys, etc...then tyranny happens like in communist China, Soviet Russia, Nazi Germany, etc...
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I don't understand why all people say they are BANNING it. They are putting a restrictions that you can choose to not have... i don't get it.
On July 24 2013 00:59 BillGates wrote:
This is Chinese style censorship. I mean what is next, censoring political speech? Censoring controversial speech? Censoring "conspiracy theories" or rather declassified false flag operations like operation Gladio that government don't want known?
And it always begins to keep people safe, to protect the children, to fight the bad guys, etc...then tyranny happens like in communist China, Soviet Russia, Nazi Germany, etc...
So in china you can uncheck the box of censorship ?
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On July 24 2013 00:56 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 00:55 Grovbolle wrote:On July 24 2013 00:52 FFW_Rude wrote:On July 24 2013 00:47 darkness wrote:On July 24 2013 00:44 FFW_Rude wrote:On July 24 2013 00:42 darkness wrote:
Restricting a few porn websites to me is like "I'm going to try to restrict a small part to see if we can restrict the Internet even more in the future". They're just trying to see how people would react now. Why oh why would you think that ? Governments are not out trying to get you. If they wanted to restricts some things you would never know and they would have done it WAYYYY sooner. Also for the lulz Check out OP's name. It's just perfect Considering how PRISM, Tempora (UK), SOPA, ACTA, etc were so recent, anything can be possible from retarded governments. I don't think calling governement "retarded" is a way. Well... Some are not doing their job really well (or so it seems). But i think those people are really smart and that they are doing thing that we can't see or understand. We are in an age of freedom, evrything is getting freeer. Of course governements want to try to keep it under control. If evrything is free, this is anarchy But they just can't do it. They will sometimes succeed to prevent you to do things but 10 more things will get out of their controls. On topic, it's not a restrictive of freedom because you just can say : "opt in", "opt out". So no freedom is hurt threre I am not sure if my writting is understandable so don't flame me Problem is that you have to "opt in", instead of "opt out". Why is it a problem ? i don't see the big deal. In France for exemple when you pay tax, you have "I HAVE A TV" checked by default. You don't have one ? You uncheck. By default it's : "NO PORN". So uncheck it.
Because suddenly the government has a list of everyone who watches porn, rather than having a list of people who don't want to watch porn.
If it's opt-in to get porn blocked, there will be many that wont opt-in because they are ignorant/lazy so the remainder of the population that hasn't opted-in isn't a definitive list of all the disgusting porn fiends who are out to harm children.
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All I can ask is... Why?
porn is not 'unsafe'. As a matter of fact, and someone will have to back me up on this one, because I dont remember where I read it, research has shown that countries with pornography legally available do not increase the number of cases of rape / violence. Actually, it is quite the opposite!
(skimmed the internet for some evidence : seems it is indeed true that pornography does not increase sex crime rates)
Im not the kind of guy that'll immediatly say 'oh well then it MUST be so they can control our freedom', but if research shows that pornography does not negatively influences peoples behaviour, then I call this a bad move, and question the motivations behind it.
Now, I dont follow UK politics, but is it perhaps from a religious motivation? Or some desperate attempt to win voters (which this won't)?
Also, whats with the whole 'keep kids away from porn'-thing? Who cares if they watch porn? Sure, it's not a very accurate depiction of reality, but I dont see it leading to any delinquent behaviour. If you are concerned about kids' sexual education, perhaps the parents should be more open about it. Schools only teach you so much.
EDIT : TLDR : removing porn from the internet does not make the internet safer, because pornography is not unsafe, as is backed up by plenty of evidence. Thus removing it wont do any good whatsoever.
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On July 24 2013 01:00 Skytt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 00:56 FFW_Rude wrote:On July 24 2013 00:55 Grovbolle wrote:On July 24 2013 00:52 FFW_Rude wrote:On July 24 2013 00:47 darkness wrote:On July 24 2013 00:44 FFW_Rude wrote:On July 24 2013 00:42 darkness wrote:
Restricting a few porn websites to me is like "I'm going to try to restrict a small part to see if we can restrict the Internet even more in the future". They're just trying to see how people would react now. Why oh why would you think that ? Governments are not out trying to get you. If they wanted to restricts some things you would never know and they would have done it WAYYYY sooner. Also for the lulz Check out OP's name. It's just perfect Considering how PRISM, Tempora (UK), SOPA, ACTA, etc were so recent, anything can be possible from retarded governments. I don't think calling governement "retarded" is a way. Well... Some are not doing their job really well (or so it seems). But i think those people are really smart and that they are doing thing that we can't see or understand. We are in an age of freedom, evrything is getting freeer. Of course governements want to try to keep it under control. If evrything is free, this is anarchy But they just can't do it. They will sometimes succeed to prevent you to do things but 10 more things will get out of their controls. On topic, it's not a restrictive of freedom because you just can say : "opt in", "opt out". So no freedom is hurt threre I am not sure if my writting is understandable so don't flame me Problem is that you have to "opt in", instead of "opt out". Why is it a problem ? i don't see the big deal. In France for exemple when you pay tax, you have "I HAVE A TV" checked by default. You don't have one ? You uncheck. By default it's : "NO PORN". So uncheck it. Because suddenly the government has a list of everyone who watches porn, rather than having a list of people who don't want to watch porn. If it's opt-in to get porn blocked, there will be many that wont opt-in because they are ignorant/lazy so the remainder of the population that hasn't opted-in isn't a definitive list of all the disgusting porn fiends who are out to harm children.
If you have a list of people that don't watch porn. Then you have a list of people that do....
On July 24 2013 01:01 []Phase[] wrote:
All I can ask is... Why?
porn is not 'unsafe'. As a matter of fact, and someone will have to back me up on this one, because I dont remember where I read it, research has shown that countries with pornography legally available do not increase the number of cases of rape / violence. Actually, it is quite the opposite!
(skimmed the internet for some evidence : seems it is indeed true that pornography does not increase sex crime rates)
Im not the kind of guy that'll immediatly say 'oh well then it MUST be so they can control our freedom', but if research shows that pornography does not negatively influences peoples behaviour, then I call this a bad move, and question the motivations behind it.
Now, I dont follow UK politics, but is it perhaps from a religious motivation? Or some desperate attempt to win voters (which this won't)?
Also, whats with the whole 'keep kids away from porn'-thing? Who cares if they watch porn? Sure, it's not a very accurate depiction of reality, but I dont see it leading to any delinquent behaviour. If you are concerned about kids' sexual education, perhaps the parents should be more open about it. Schools only teach you so much.
EDIT : TLDR : removing porn from the internet does not make the internet safer, because pornography is not unsafe, as is backed up by plenty of evidence. Thus removing it wont do any good whatsoever.
This is so true. I'm really ok with this way of thinking.
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On July 24 2013 01:00 Skytt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 00:56 FFW_Rude wrote:On July 24 2013 00:55 Grovbolle wrote:On July 24 2013 00:52 FFW_Rude wrote:On July 24 2013 00:47 darkness wrote:On July 24 2013 00:44 FFW_Rude wrote:On July 24 2013 00:42 darkness wrote:
Restricting a few porn websites to me is like "I'm going to try to restrict a small part to see if we can restrict the Internet even more in the future". They're just trying to see how people would react now. Why oh why would you think that ? Governments are not out trying to get you. If they wanted to restricts some things you would never know and they would have done it WAYYYY sooner. Also for the lulz Check out OP's name. It's just perfect Considering how PRISM, Tempora (UK), SOPA, ACTA, etc were so recent, anything can be possible from retarded governments. I don't think calling governement "retarded" is a way. Well... Some are not doing their job really well (or so it seems). But i think those people are really smart and that they are doing thing that we can't see or understand. We are in an age of freedom, evrything is getting freeer. Of course governements want to try to keep it under control. If evrything is free, this is anarchy But they just can't do it. They will sometimes succeed to prevent you to do things but 10 more things will get out of their controls. On topic, it's not a restrictive of freedom because you just can say : "opt in", "opt out". So no freedom is hurt threre I am not sure if my writting is understandable so don't flame me Problem is that you have to "opt in", instead of "opt out". Why is it a problem ? i don't see the big deal. In France for exemple when you pay tax, you have "I HAVE A TV" checked by default. You don't have one ? You uncheck. By default it's : "NO PORN". So uncheck it. Because suddenly the government has a list of everyone who watches porn, rather than having a list of people who don't want to watch porn. If it's opt-in to get porn blocked, there will be many that wont opt-in because they are ignorant/lazy so the remainder of the population that hasn't opted-in isn't a definitive list of all the disgusting porn fiends who are out to harm children.
Exactly.
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On July 24 2013 00:47 darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 00:44 FFW_Rude wrote:On July 24 2013 00:42 darkness wrote:
Restricting a few porn websites to me is like "I'm going to try to restrict a small part to see if we can restrict the Internet even more in the future". They're just trying to see how people would react now. Why oh why would you think that ? Governments are not out trying to get you. If they wanted to restricts some things you would never know and they would have done it WAYYYY sooner. Also for the lulz Check out OP's name. It's just perfect Considering how PRISM, Tempora (UK), SOPA, ACTA, etc were so recent, anything can be possible from retarded governments.
All those acts have a lot of people backing them - not backing the government, but backing the acts themselves - and purposefully voting for parties and people with political platforms to GET into the government so that they could make these things happen.
Hell, there's been more than a few people in this very thread that agreed with the proposed legislation, more than a few people who think fighting piracy is worth giving up the freedom of the internet for, and more than a few TL members who think Snowden is borderline terrorist and any surveillance is fine if it catches terrorists. Any number of them are going to actually vote for these things to happen.
If you want these things to not happen, you need to proactively change the opinions of people around you that support these things instead of "agreeing to disagree" and "respecting different opinions" all the time for the sake of avoiding confrontation. Blaming the governments when they hit the nail in the coffin on the back of popular support does nothing.
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On July 24 2013 01:00 Skytt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 00:56 FFW_Rude wrote:On July 24 2013 00:55 Grovbolle wrote:On July 24 2013 00:52 FFW_Rude wrote:On July 24 2013 00:47 darkness wrote:On July 24 2013 00:44 FFW_Rude wrote:On July 24 2013 00:42 darkness wrote:
Restricting a few porn websites to me is like "I'm going to try to restrict a small part to see if we can restrict the Internet even more in the future". They're just trying to see how people would react now. Why oh why would you think that ? Governments are not out trying to get you. If they wanted to restricts some things you would never know and they would have done it WAYYYY sooner. Also for the lulz Check out OP's name. It's just perfect Considering how PRISM, Tempora (UK), SOPA, ACTA, etc were so recent, anything can be possible from retarded governments. I don't think calling governement "retarded" is a way. Well... Some are not doing their job really well (or so it seems). But i think those people are really smart and that they are doing thing that we can't see or understand. We are in an age of freedom, evrything is getting freeer. Of course governements want to try to keep it under control. If evrything is free, this is anarchy But they just can't do it. They will sometimes succeed to prevent you to do things but 10 more things will get out of their controls. On topic, it's not a restrictive of freedom because you just can say : "opt in", "opt out". So no freedom is hurt threre I am not sure if my writting is understandable so don't flame me Problem is that you have to "opt in", instead of "opt out". Why is it a problem ? i don't see the big deal. In France for exemple when you pay tax, you have "I HAVE A TV" checked by default. You don't have one ? You uncheck. By default it's : "NO PORN". So uncheck it. Because suddenly the government has a list of everyone who watches porn, rather than having a list of people who don't want to watch porn. If it's opt-in to get porn blocked, there will be many that wont opt-in because they are ignorant/lazy so the remainder of the population that hasn't opted-in isn't a definitive list of all the disgusting porn fiends who are out to harm children. The law doesn't require ISPs to track who opts out, only that the feature exist. Unless they start requiring the ISP to report that to them, there will be no list.
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On July 24 2013 01:01 []Phase[] wrote:
All I can ask is... Why?
porn is not 'unsafe'. As a matter of fact, and someone will have to back me up on this one, because I dont remember where I read it, research has shown that countries with pornography legally available do not increase the number of cases of rape / violence. Actually, it is quite the opposite!
(skimmed the internet for some evidence : seems it is indeed true that pornography does not increase sex crime rates)
Im not the kind of guy that'll immediatly say 'oh well then it MUST be so they can control our freedom', but if research shows that pornography does not negatively influences peoples behaviour, then I call this a bad move, and question the motivations behind it.
Now, I dont follow UK politics, but is it perhaps from a religious motivation? Or some desperate attempt to win voters (which this won't)?
Also, whats with the whole 'keep kids away from porn'-thing? Who cares if they watch porn? Sure, it's not a very accurate depiction of reality, but I dont see it leading to any delinquent behaviour. If you are concerned about kids' sexual education, perhaps the parents should be more open about it. Schools only teach you so much.
Because our government is ran by technological-illiterates who don't understand how the internet actually works and want to control it by putting in measures like these. There is a big drive in the UK just now to make porn seem like it is highly damaging to children and they must be aware of the dangers of porn.
The government is trying to have companies like google blacklist search terms that lead to childporn (despite the fact that you don't find child porn on google because they already delist that shit) or face penalties.
The UK economy is in a shambles and they need anything they can get to draw attention away from their own failings and onto other targets, be it immigrants, Muslims, pedophiles or by appearing to be doing whats right for our kids.
You're right in that it wont get votes but it doesn't matter because Britain is no different from the USA now in that it's a two party government where the two parties are almost identical.
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On July 24 2013 01:03 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 01:00 Skytt wrote:On July 24 2013 00:56 FFW_Rude wrote:On July 24 2013 00:55 Grovbolle wrote:On July 24 2013 00:52 FFW_Rude wrote:On July 24 2013 00:47 darkness wrote:On July 24 2013 00:44 FFW_Rude wrote:On July 24 2013 00:42 darkness wrote:
Restricting a few porn websites to me is like "I'm going to try to restrict a small part to see if we can restrict the Internet even more in the future". They're just trying to see how people would react now. Why oh why would you think that ? Governments are not out trying to get you. If they wanted to restricts some things you would never know and they would have done it WAYYYY sooner. Also for the lulz Check out OP's name. It's just perfect Considering how PRISM, Tempora (UK), SOPA, ACTA, etc were so recent, anything can be possible from retarded governments. I don't think calling governement "retarded" is a way. Well... Some are not doing their job really well (or so it seems). But i think those people are really smart and that they are doing thing that we can't see or understand. We are in an age of freedom, evrything is getting freeer. Of course governements want to try to keep it under control. If evrything is free, this is anarchy But they just can't do it. They will sometimes succeed to prevent you to do things but 10 more things will get out of their controls. On topic, it's not a restrictive of freedom because you just can say : "opt in", "opt out". So no freedom is hurt threre I am not sure if my writting is understandable so don't flame me Problem is that you have to "opt in", instead of "opt out". Why is it a problem ? i don't see the big deal. In France for exemple when you pay tax, you have "I HAVE A TV" checked by default. You don't have one ? You uncheck. By default it's : "NO PORN". So uncheck it. Because suddenly the government has a list of everyone who watches porn, rather than having a list of people who don't want to watch porn. If it's opt-in to get porn blocked, there will be many that wont opt-in because they are ignorant/lazy so the remainder of the population that hasn't opted-in isn't a definitive list of all the disgusting porn fiends who are out to harm children. If you have a list of people that don't watch porn. Then you have a list of people that do....
No you don't. You have a list of people who may or may not watch porn but don't have it blacklisted.
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On July 24 2013 01:03 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 01:00 Skytt wrote:On July 24 2013 00:56 FFW_Rude wrote:On July 24 2013 00:55 Grovbolle wrote:On July 24 2013 00:52 FFW_Rude wrote:On July 24 2013 00:47 darkness wrote:On July 24 2013 00:44 FFW_Rude wrote:On July 24 2013 00:42 darkness wrote:
Restricting a few porn websites to me is like "I'm going to try to restrict a small part to see if we can restrict the Internet even more in the future". They're just trying to see how people would react now. Why oh why would you think that ? Governments are not out trying to get you. If they wanted to restricts some things you would never know and they would have done it WAYYYY sooner. Also for the lulz Check out OP's name. It's just perfect Considering how PRISM, Tempora (UK), SOPA, ACTA, etc were so recent, anything can be possible from retarded governments. I don't think calling governement "retarded" is a way. Well... Some are not doing their job really well (or so it seems). But i think those people are really smart and that they are doing thing that we can't see or understand. We are in an age of freedom, evrything is getting freeer. Of course governements want to try to keep it under control. If evrything is free, this is anarchy But they just can't do it. They will sometimes succeed to prevent you to do things but 10 more things will get out of their controls. On topic, it's not a restrictive of freedom because you just can say : "opt in", "opt out". So no freedom is hurt threre I am not sure if my writting is understandable so don't flame me Problem is that you have to "opt in", instead of "opt out". Why is it a problem ? i don't see the big deal. In France for exemple when you pay tax, you have "I HAVE A TV" checked by default. You don't have one ? You uncheck. By default it's : "NO PORN". So uncheck it. Because suddenly the government has a list of everyone who watches porn, rather than having a list of people who don't want to watch porn. If it's opt-in to get porn blocked, there will be many that wont opt-in because they are ignorant/lazy so the remainder of the population that hasn't opted-in isn't a definitive list of all the disgusting porn fiends who are out to harm children. If you have a list of people that don't watch porn. Then you have a list of people that do....
As I said, you will have a list of people who do, but it isn't definitive as not everyone who doesn't want to watch porn is going to be aware of the fact that you can opt-in to a filter
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On July 24 2013 01:09 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 01:03 FFW_Rude wrote:On July 24 2013 01:00 Skytt wrote:On July 24 2013 00:56 FFW_Rude wrote:On July 24 2013 00:55 Grovbolle wrote:On July 24 2013 00:52 FFW_Rude wrote:On July 24 2013 00:47 darkness wrote:On July 24 2013 00:44 FFW_Rude wrote:On July 24 2013 00:42 darkness wrote:
Restricting a few porn websites to me is like "I'm going to try to restrict a small part to see if we can restrict the Internet even more in the future". They're just trying to see how people would react now. Why oh why would you think that ? Governments are not out trying to get you. If they wanted to restricts some things you would never know and they would have done it WAYYYY sooner. Also for the lulz Check out OP's name. It's just perfect Considering how PRISM, Tempora (UK), SOPA, ACTA, etc were so recent, anything can be possible from retarded governments. I don't think calling governement "retarded" is a way. Well... Some are not doing their job really well (or so it seems). But i think those people are really smart and that they are doing thing that we can't see or understand. We are in an age of freedom, evrything is getting freeer. Of course governements want to try to keep it under control. If evrything is free, this is anarchy But they just can't do it. They will sometimes succeed to prevent you to do things but 10 more things will get out of their controls. On topic, it's not a restrictive of freedom because you just can say : "opt in", "opt out". So no freedom is hurt threre I am not sure if my writting is understandable so don't flame me Problem is that you have to "opt in", instead of "opt out". Why is it a problem ? i don't see the big deal. In France for exemple when you pay tax, you have "I HAVE A TV" checked by default. You don't have one ? You uncheck. By default it's : "NO PORN". So uncheck it. Because suddenly the government has a list of everyone who watches porn, rather than having a list of people who don't want to watch porn. If it's opt-in to get porn blocked, there will be many that wont opt-in because they are ignorant/lazy so the remainder of the population that hasn't opted-in isn't a definitive list of all the disgusting porn fiends who are out to harm children. If you have a list of people that don't watch porn. Then you have a list of people that do.... No you don't. You have a list of people who may or may not watch porn but don't have it blacklisted.
Why would anyone specifically opt out of a porn filter if they're not going to watch it?
I mean sure, some people may do it out of principle, but overall the "porn watcher" list will still be pretty reliable.
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On July 24 2013 01:12 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 01:09 Godwrath wrote:On July 24 2013 01:03 FFW_Rude wrote:On July 24 2013 01:00 Skytt wrote:On July 24 2013 00:56 FFW_Rude wrote:On July 24 2013 00:55 Grovbolle wrote:On July 24 2013 00:52 FFW_Rude wrote:On July 24 2013 00:47 darkness wrote:On July 24 2013 00:44 FFW_Rude wrote:On July 24 2013 00:42 darkness wrote:
Restricting a few porn websites to me is like "I'm going to try to restrict a small part to see if we can restrict the Internet even more in the future". They're just trying to see how people would react now. Why oh why would you think that ? Governments are not out trying to get you. If they wanted to restricts some things you would never know and they would have done it WAYYYY sooner. Also for the lulz Check out OP's name. It's just perfect Considering how PRISM, Tempora (UK), SOPA, ACTA, etc were so recent, anything can be possible from retarded governments. I don't think calling governement "retarded" is a way. Well... Some are not doing their job really well (or so it seems). But i think those people are really smart and that they are doing thing that we can't see or understand. We are in an age of freedom, evrything is getting freeer. Of course governements want to try to keep it under control. If evrything is free, this is anarchy But they just can't do it. They will sometimes succeed to prevent you to do things but 10 more things will get out of their controls. On topic, it's not a restrictive of freedom because you just can say : "opt in", "opt out". So no freedom is hurt threre I am not sure if my writting is understandable so don't flame me Problem is that you have to "opt in", instead of "opt out". Why is it a problem ? i don't see the big deal. In France for exemple when you pay tax, you have "I HAVE A TV" checked by default. You don't have one ? You uncheck. By default it's : "NO PORN". So uncheck it. Because suddenly the government has a list of everyone who watches porn, rather than having a list of people who don't want to watch porn. If it's opt-in to get porn blocked, there will be many that wont opt-in because they are ignorant/lazy so the remainder of the population that hasn't opted-in isn't a definitive list of all the disgusting porn fiends who are out to harm children. If you have a list of people that don't watch porn. Then you have a list of people that do.... No you don't. You have a list of people who may or may not watch porn but don't have it blacklisted. Why would anyone specifically opt out of a porn filter if they're not going to watch it? I mean sure, some people may do it out of principle, but overall the "porn watcher" list will still be pretty reliable.
Whoever doesn't give a damn about it. Like the majority of people. Why would they opt in ?
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