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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 23 2022 20:04 GMT
#12181
Boris Johnson drops out of the race.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
October 23 2022 20:53 GMT
#12182
Rishi probably PM on Monday
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom10006 Posts
October 23 2022 21:07 GMT
#12183
On October 24 2022 05:04 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Boris Johnson drops out of the race.

https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1584273604594008065

I'm surprised people had anything on him that they haven't already used, but clearly they do.
RIP Meatloaf <3
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27463 Posts
October 23 2022 21:30 GMT
#12184
On October 24 2022 06:07 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2022 05:04 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Boris Johnson drops out of the race.

https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1584273604594008065

I'm surprised people had anything on him that they haven't already used, but clearly they do.

I mean the whole inquiry into ‘Partygate’ is yet to be concluded. It’s highly possible there’s some dirt that will come out down the line

Not my line, but at long last Boris has figured out when to pull out
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2605 Posts
October 24 2022 02:31 GMT
#12185
Ultimately Rishi Sunak had the advantage of being right about how disastrous Truss's economic policies would be.
I am a dirty Protoss bullshit abuser
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 24 2022 13:13 GMT
#12186
History made. Again.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12023 Posts
October 24 2022 13:29 GMT
#12187
So, how long will he last?
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
October 24 2022 14:02 GMT
#12188
My bet is until the next general election!
passive quaranstream fan
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44368 Posts
October 24 2022 14:12 GMT
#12189
On October 24 2022 23:02 Artisreal wrote:
My bet is until the next general election!

Agree. He had the support of the parliamentary party which is what matters. Truss got in based on the general membership but the party never supported her.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
October 24 2022 15:14 GMT
#12190
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 26 2022 13:15 GMT
#12191
PMQ is starting with the new PM.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?523779-1/question-time
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-31 15:56:05
October 31 2022 15:55 GMT
#12192
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18459 Posts
November 01 2022 11:19 GMT
#12193
On November 01 2022 00:55 plasmidghost wrote:
Awesome Games Done Quick 2022: UK Prime Minister Edition is shaping up to be one for the record books



https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1689774/rishi-sunak-no-confidence-letters-tory-mps-cabinet-reshuffle-suella-braverman

It's the Express. I wouldn't put too much stock in it. Disgruntled people who got fired are disgruntled. Not exactly newsworthy unless you're a trashy tabloid.
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
November 01 2022 16:16 GMT
#12194
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Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
January 15 2023 21:26 GMT
#12195
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 15 2023 21:52 GMT
#12196
On January 16 2023 06:26 plasmidghost wrote:
Hey UK folks, there could be a major constitutional crisis happening soon as Sunak is going to block Scotland's gender reform bill from passing. Not sure what Scotland will be able to do here but one of my biggest dreams is seeing the disintegration of the UK, so if that somehow happens as a result of Sunak causing a constitutional crisis, I will be thrilled beyond words

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Jan 13 (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak is poised to block Scottish laws that make it easier for people to change their gender, The Times reported on Friday.

New legal advice could pave the way for the government to stop Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon's gender recognition laws from getting royal assent next week, the newspaper said, though it was unclear what that advice was.

Sunak will make a final decision with Scotland Secretary Alister Jack next week on invoking section 35 of the 1998 Scotland Act, which will prohibit Holyrood's presiding officer from submitting the bill for royal assent, the report added.

British Prime Minister's office did not immediately respond to a Reuters request for comment.

Scotland has always been clear the bill does not impact the Equality Act, a Scottish Government spokesperson said in an emailed statement to Reuters.

Any attempt by the UK Government to undermine the democratic will of the Scottish Parliament will be vigorously contested by the Scotland, the spokesperson added.

Scotland passed the bill last month, making it the first region of the United Kingdom to approve a self-identification process for changing gender, including removing the need for a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria and lowering the minimum age to 16 from 18.

Scotland had said similar laws in other countries led to a decrease in violence against transgender people, though hate crimes in the UK against the group have been rising in recent years.

Sunak raised concerns last month about the bill's impact on women and children's safety, though experts have rejected this argument.

The British National government had further said that it would examine the bill and could look at blocking it if necessary.

Sunak and Sturgeon had met on Thursday for a private working dinner.


https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uks-sunak-preparing-block-scottish-gender-reform-bill-times-2023-01-13/



biggest dream, haha why may I ask?

Besides can't Scotland just "nope" and go forward anyways.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-01-15 22:09:34
January 15 2023 22:09 GMT
#12197
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18459 Posts
January 15 2023 22:59 GMT
#12198
On January 16 2023 06:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2023 06:26 plasmidghost wrote:
Hey UK folks, there could be a major constitutional crisis happening soon as Sunak is going to block Scotland's gender reform bill from passing. Not sure what Scotland will be able to do here but one of my biggest dreams is seeing the disintegration of the UK, so if that somehow happens as a result of Sunak causing a constitutional crisis, I will be thrilled beyond words

Jan 13 (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak is poised to block Scottish laws that make it easier for people to change their gender, The Times reported on Friday.

New legal advice could pave the way for the government to stop Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon's gender recognition laws from getting royal assent next week, the newspaper said, though it was unclear what that advice was.

Sunak will make a final decision with Scotland Secretary Alister Jack next week on invoking section 35 of the 1998 Scotland Act, which will prohibit Holyrood's presiding officer from submitting the bill for royal assent, the report added.

British Prime Minister's office did not immediately respond to a Reuters request for comment.

Scotland has always been clear the bill does not impact the Equality Act, a Scottish Government spokesperson said in an emailed statement to Reuters.

Any attempt by the UK Government to undermine the democratic will of the Scottish Parliament will be vigorously contested by the Scotland, the spokesperson added.

Scotland passed the bill last month, making it the first region of the United Kingdom to approve a self-identification process for changing gender, including removing the need for a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria and lowering the minimum age to 16 from 18.

Scotland had said similar laws in other countries led to a decrease in violence against transgender people, though hate crimes in the UK against the group have been rising in recent years.

Sunak raised concerns last month about the bill's impact on women and children's safety, though experts have rejected this argument.

The British National government had further said that it would examine the bill and could look at blocking it if necessary.

Sunak and Sturgeon had met on Thursday for a private working dinner.


https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uks-sunak-preparing-block-scottish-gender-reform-bill-times-2023-01-13/



biggest dream, haha why may I ask?

Besides can't Scotland just "nope" and go forward anyways.


No, Scotland can't just nope. That's why it's a big deal. That said, they can't even have another independence election without London's approval, which Sunak is unlikely to give. So they're kinda stuck.
Razyda
Profile Joined March 2013
1059 Posts
January 15 2023 23:48 GMT
#12199
UK government seems also to be full set on Digital ID:

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/draft-legislation-to-help-more-people-prove-their-identity-online/consultation-on-draft-legislation-to-support-identity-verification

Link to website where they also ask to fill cleverly worded survey.

Melliflue
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom1389 Posts
January 19 2023 18:50 GMT
#12200
On January 16 2023 07:09 plasmidghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2023 06:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On January 16 2023 06:26 plasmidghost wrote:
Hey UK folks, there could be a major constitutional crisis happening soon as Sunak is going to block Scotland's gender reform bill from passing. Not sure what Scotland will be able to do here but one of my biggest dreams is seeing the disintegration of the UK, so if that somehow happens as a result of Sunak causing a constitutional crisis, I will be thrilled beyond words

Jan 13 (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak is poised to block Scottish laws that make it easier for people to change their gender, The Times reported on Friday.

New legal advice could pave the way for the government to stop Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon's gender recognition laws from getting royal assent next week, the newspaper said, though it was unclear what that advice was.

Sunak will make a final decision with Scotland Secretary Alister Jack next week on invoking section 35 of the 1998 Scotland Act, which will prohibit Holyrood's presiding officer from submitting the bill for royal assent, the report added.

British Prime Minister's office did not immediately respond to a Reuters request for comment.

Scotland has always been clear the bill does not impact the Equality Act, a Scottish Government spokesperson said in an emailed statement to Reuters.

Any attempt by the UK Government to undermine the democratic will of the Scottish Parliament will be vigorously contested by the Scotland, the spokesperson added.

Scotland passed the bill last month, making it the first region of the United Kingdom to approve a self-identification process for changing gender, including removing the need for a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria and lowering the minimum age to 16 from 18.

Scotland had said similar laws in other countries led to a decrease in violence against transgender people, though hate crimes in the UK against the group have been rising in recent years.

Sunak raised concerns last month about the bill's impact on women and children's safety, though experts have rejected this argument.

The British National government had further said that it would examine the bill and could look at blocking it if necessary.

Sunak and Sturgeon had met on Thursday for a private working dinner.


https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uks-sunak-preparing-block-scottish-gender-reform-bill-times-2023-01-13/



biggest dream, haha why may I ask?

Besides can't Scotland just "nope" and go forward anyways.

Well personally the UK is an absolute hellhole for trans people and overall, with how fucked the Tories and Labour parties are in terms of massive shifts right screwing over so many British people, the less people that suffer, the better. The NHS is collapsing because of the government, protesting is illegal, strikes will become illegal, and the media is pretty much only far-right talking pieces. It's a nightmare country

I find it a little insulting that you would come into the UK politics thread and say "one of my biggest dreams is seeing the disintegration of the UK" as well as calling the UK a "hellhole" and a "nightmare country". There are so many problems with the UK and LGBT rights but I would still rather live here than, for example, Saudi Arabia or Russia.

My impression of this mess is the SNP is exploiting the trans community to pick a fight with Westminster. The SNP knows that outside of the independence issue support for the SNP is not great. They are not seen as doing well with NHS Scotland, or with the Scottish economy, (and several scandals over the last couple of years have hurt too). When things are going badly domestically the go-to move for every politician is to stoke up anger at some 'others', and for the SNP that means attacking the Westminster government.

Holyrood could have introduced the gender recognition legislation in a much better way. Eg, they could have restricted it to people living in Scotland, but the new system would also be open to anyone born in Scotland even if they no longer lived there. They could have said the new gender would only be recognised in Scotland and included a system to 'upgrade' the Scottish certificate to a UK-wide certificate. (I don't think 'upgrade' is the appropriate word there but I cannot think of what is atm.)

It was inevitable that there would be questions about whether the rest of the UK would recognise the new process but Holyrood appears to have gone solo and not worked with the Westminster government on the issue. That's despite knowing that violence against women and girls is a hot issue and women's rights groups would put pressure on Westminster. (Whether or not those are legitimate concerns are irrelevant, the public image would be bad.)

And after Westminster said it would block the new Scottish bill, Nicola Sturgeon responded with a bombastic speech about it being an attack on democracy and devolution.


To make something clear though, I want to make life easier for trans people and would be happy for something like that bill to be passed by Westminster, and I think the Tory government is also trying to make this into a Scotland v England fight. But that doesn't excuse how the SNP has gone about this. The SNP's argument for an independent Scotland seem no more valid than the Brexiteers arguments about the EU, and the SNP and Nicola Sturgeon are no better than the likes of Nigel Farage or the people currently in Westminster. They are trying to do something decent but in a bad way and I believe for bad reasons.
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