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iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
February 02 2020 18:57 GMT
#11641
On February 01 2020 23:25 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2020 22:32 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Happy Brexit day to all people living in UK.

Did you have a ‘post in the U.K. politics thread’ marked on your calendar?


Of course. He's a troll.
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-03 17:36:25
February 03 2020 17:36 GMT
#11642
Boris Johnson has moved on from copying Donald Trump's language to copying his tactics for authoritarianism and debasing the freedom of the press. No 10 had just tried to veto which journalists can attend political briefings. Formerly this wasn't possible as briefings were given on Parliament grounds, but this time the location was announced to be at No 10. This is collaborated with other articles from The Mirror and the Independent.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/feb/03/brexit-news-boris--johnson-speech-barnier-cabinet-ministers-claims-uk-does-not-need-trade-deal-with-eu-ahead-of-pms-speech-live-news

The format is as of live feed so I'll spoiler the relevant part + Show Spoiler +
Political journalists boycott No 10 briefing after PM's aide tried to ban selected reporters
Rowena Mason

Rowena Mason

Political journalists walked out of No 10 Downing Street this afternoon in protest at the government planning to give a briefing on the EU only to selected reporters – banning the Mirror, i, HuffPost, PoliticsHome, Independent and others from attending.

Reporters on the invited list were asked to stand on one side of a rug in the foyer of No 10, while those not allowed in were asked by security to stand on the other side.

After one of Boris Johnson’s most senior advisers, Lee Cain, told the banned reporters they must leave the building, the rest of the journalists decided to walk out rather than allow Downing Street to choose who scrutinises and reports on the government.

Among those who refused the briefing and walked out included the BBC’s Laura Kuenssberg, ITV’s Robert Peston and political journalists from the Daily Mail, Telegraph, Sun, Financial Times, and Guardian.

The briefing was due to be given by government officials, who are meant to be neutral rather than political.

The tactics from No 10 mirror those of Donald Trump in the US, who has been known to try to exclude journalists from reporting on his activities, and represents an escalation of Johnson’s tensions with the media, which have been growing in recent weeks.


Dangerous acts by No10, but thankfully, so far journalistic integrity held and every single selected journalist walked out and boycotted the briefing. As journalists in a democracy should behave.
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-12 20:02:04
February 12 2020 20:00 GMT
#11643
I've remotely used one payment system located in the UK, but since yesterday all cutomer accounts were temporarily frozen due to fca.org.uk reviews/decision. I wonder if that is directly related to Brexit and if I'll be able to get my funds back eventually -.-
In memory of Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson 11.09.1985 - 21.07.2019 A tribute to incredible man, embodiment of joy, esports titan, starcraft community pillar all in one. You will always be remembered!
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9842 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-04 12:58:54
April 04 2020 12:52 GMT
#11644
Labour is alive again

I have high hopes for Starmer. He needs to get to work immediately, highlighting gaps in the coronavirus laws that could be open to abuse.
I'm no lawyer but I can't imagine a world where the tories would write important consequential laws without leaving horrifying loopholes in them.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/apr/04/keir-starmer-wins-labour-leadership-election

Sir Keir Starmer has won the Labour leadership election with more than 56% of the vote, bringing an end to Jeremy Corbyn’s tenure of almost five years at the top of the party.

Starmer, a former director of public prosecutions, won in the first round as the top choice of members, affiliates and registered supporters, with 490,731 votes cast overall. His nearest rival, Rebecca Long-Bailey, got 28% of the vote, and Lisa Nandy 16% in the final leg of the race.

Angela Rayner was elected deputy leader in the third round on 53%, with the doctor Rosena Allin-Khan in surprise second place on 26% and Richard Burgon on 21%.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
April 04 2020 17:22 GMT
#11645
not really sure peoples perceptions of party leaders are even remotely based in reality, honestly
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23902 Posts
April 05 2020 21:05 GMT
#11646
You guys got the skinny on Boris?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-06 14:17:07
April 06 2020 14:12 GMT
#11647
If by "got the skinny", you are asking for his personality, it's an open secret that his every public appearance is a carefully orchestrated performance, right down to his haphazard countenance. As for his actual deeply held beliefs, or what specific policies he wants to enact beyond some vague brexit policy, it's mostly a mystery, except most obviously wanting to be in a position of power. He is mostly absent from parliament or gives another member of cabinet to speak. Catching coronavirus is a blessing in disguise for him as now he has a good reason to deny public appearances.

The only positive policy I can think of he has enacted or pushed through was to cancel the rollout of the porn block ID scheme, probably because it was scheduled to occur right after his new government formed and if there's anything for people to remember about his new government, it would be to suddenly be unable to access internet porn without having to pay for ID.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22290 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-06 14:36:42
April 06 2020 14:35 GMT
#11648
I assume GH meant what is going on with Corona infection and hospitalisation. The official line is that everything is mostly fine. He had some mild but persistent symptoms so he went to the hospital for routine tests.

I'd put a ? next to that because I don't think you go to the hospital on a sunday night if everything is fine.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
schaf
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1326 Posts
April 06 2020 14:48 GMT
#11649
Not sure how good this source is (citing a times article behind a paywall) but it seems he had some kind of oxygen treatment. Doesn't really mean too much but I guess he would be out for a few days on doctors orders?

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-boris-johnson-admitted-hospital-coronavirus-symptoms-tests-aides-worried-2020-4?r=US&IR=T
Axiom wins more than it loses. Most viewers don't. - <3 TB
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
April 06 2020 14:53 GMT
#11650
The Gvmt says he's continuing to work from his hospital bed, according to the Guardian
The symptoms aren't described as mild any longer though.
No primary source from me, sorry about that.
passive quaranstream fan
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
April 06 2020 16:13 GMT
#11651
Not sure what you are looking for. There's plenty of public information that Boris Johnston was admitted to hospital, supposedly for testing. It's probably a little more serious than than that, but anything else is just pointless speculation. There's no real reason to hide it if it was more serious, as Boris's carefully cultivated image is the very opposite of a strongman.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23902 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-06 16:22:17
April 06 2020 16:19 GMT
#11652
On April 06 2020 23:35 Gorsameth wrote:
I assume GH meant what is going on with Corona infection and hospitalisation. The official line is that everything is mostly fine. He had some mild but persistent symptoms so he went to the hospital for routine tests.

I'd put a ? next to that because I don't think you go to the hospital on a sunday night if everything is fine.


Yeah pretty much wondering if people in the UK were better able to distinguish the spin and speculation from what is known.

Basically would think if he could be treated from home they would do that. Like Trump probably wouldn't go to a hospital for symptoms that didn't require intubation (or might in the near future) but the UK/Boris may be different (sounds like they are).
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-06 16:34:30
April 06 2020 16:34 GMT
#11653
What spin and speculation? You are fluent in English are you not? So you can freely see how the media reacts to news of his being admitted to hospital.

For all of Boris's faults, he hasn't tried to deny he has caught coronavirus. If he doesn't go to a hospital for tests, where else would he go? It's expected that there would be some sort of procedure in place to make sure that any senior govenment officials would have their health checked, self isolation or not.

ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
April 06 2020 16:34 GMT
#11654
On April 07 2020 01:19 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2020 23:35 Gorsameth wrote:
I assume GH meant what is going on with Corona infection and hospitalisation. The official line is that everything is mostly fine. He had some mild but persistent symptoms so he went to the hospital for routine tests.

I'd put a ? next to that because I don't think you go to the hospital on a sunday night if everything is fine.


Yeah pretty much wondering if people in the UK were better able to distinguish the spin and speculation from what is known.

Basically would think if he could be treated from home they would do that. Like Trump probably wouldn't go to a hospital for symptoms that didn't require intubation (or might in the near future) but the UK/Boris may be different (sounds like they are).

I'm not sure they can roll a CT scanner into No. 10
I'm assuming that's one of the tests they want to perform on him, if his symptoms haven't been improving.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23902 Posts
April 06 2020 16:49 GMT
#11655
On April 07 2020 01:34 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2020 01:19 GreenHorizons wrote:
On April 06 2020 23:35 Gorsameth wrote:
I assume GH meant what is going on with Corona infection and hospitalisation. The official line is that everything is mostly fine. He had some mild but persistent symptoms so he went to the hospital for routine tests.

I'd put a ? next to that because I don't think you go to the hospital on a sunday night if everything is fine.


Yeah pretty much wondering if people in the UK were better able to distinguish the spin and speculation from what is known.

Basically would think if he could be treated from home they would do that. Like Trump probably wouldn't go to a hospital for symptoms that didn't require intubation (or might in the near future) but the UK/Boris may be different (sounds like they are).

I'm not sure they can roll a CT scanner into No. 10
I'm assuming that's one of the tests they want to perform on him, if his symptoms haven't been improving.


CT scanner makes sense, I know our leader has a medical suite in house with ICU stuff but no idea if it has a CT scanner.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22290 Posts
April 06 2020 18:20 GMT
#11656
On April 07 2020 01:49 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2020 01:34 ahswtini wrote:
On April 07 2020 01:19 GreenHorizons wrote:
On April 06 2020 23:35 Gorsameth wrote:
I assume GH meant what is going on with Corona infection and hospitalisation. The official line is that everything is mostly fine. He had some mild but persistent symptoms so he went to the hospital for routine tests.

I'd put a ? next to that because I don't think you go to the hospital on a sunday night if everything is fine.


Yeah pretty much wondering if people in the UK were better able to distinguish the spin and speculation from what is known.

Basically would think if he could be treated from home they would do that. Like Trump probably wouldn't go to a hospital for symptoms that didn't require intubation (or might in the near future) but the UK/Boris may be different (sounds like they are).

I'm not sure they can roll a CT scanner into No. 10
I'm assuming that's one of the tests they want to perform on him, if his symptoms haven't been improving.


CT scanner makes sense, I know our leader has a medical suite in house with ICU stuff but no idea if it has a CT scanner.
You can't really compare the amount of infrastructure around the US president with the UK PM.
its a completely different order of magnitude.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
April 06 2020 19:33 GMT
#11657
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
April 06 2020 19:51 GMT
#11658
Crazy news wishing him the best, not sure Dominic Raab is the right person to take over in the meantime though.
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
April 06 2020 20:09 GMT
#11659
Is it a coincidence the Queen gave a speech yesterday?
© Current year.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
April 06 2020 20:16 GMT
#11660
Boris Johnson appears to be in intensive care, so it seems like things have taken a turn for the worse, glad he at least got to the hospital seemingly in due time.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/world/coronavirus-live-news-updates.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&fbclid=IwAR38gNMCnUbpDil78dJ2LQm6tZrIZ-KawlmMCGWohuYATeuo9TwBz6iCUAc&fbclid=IwAR0XvmOHYtDsEc71I4X11d8byACkMB-a8hm0W3jfy9O1m90gxbMzTn-N3Es&fbclid=IwAR0dtkqS4miBO6fk0stpFd-BJlIiAC-ztierw98O7HEMGhaRlf3dHiEL_QU#link-17466e5c
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