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Velr
Switzerland10846 Posts
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Silvanel
Poland4742 Posts
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Deleuze
United Kingdom2102 Posts
On February 15 2019 14:20 KwarK wrote: May isn't a populist and populists aren't in control. Nor is she a leader | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On February 15 2019 16:17 Silvanel wrote: Truth to be told the idea was heavily promoted (and steadily gaining traction) by UKIP. If it wasn't Cameron wouldn't feel the need to offer a referendum on it. Yeah, like Kwark said, it was a power play. The mistake some people make is in thinking it wasn't a necessary one. Cameron saw where the wind was blowing; the year he called for the referendum was pretty much the last time remain could have won. The cause to leave the EU was gaining more and more traction in the press and there was no strong counter-narrative developing. MPs were revolting over it, joining UKIIP, and fracturing the Conservative Party so badly there was talk of UKIP replacing it eventually. If Remain had won (as he intended), the issue would have been killed for a generation and UKIP would have fallen to pieces, just as it in fact did after Leave won. Alas, it was time for the Conservative backstabbing roulette, and everything went pear-shaped. | ||
KwarK
United States43557 Posts
On February 15 2019 19:06 iamthedave wrote: Yeah, like Kwark said, it was a power play. The mistake some people make is in thinking it wasn't a necessary one. Cameron saw where the wind was blowing; the year he called for the referendum was pretty much the last time remain could have won. The cause to leave the EU was gaining more and more traction in the press and there was no strong counter-narrative developing. MPs were revolting over it, joining UKIIP, and fracturing the Conservative Party so badly there was talk of UKIP replacing it eventually. If Remain had won (as he intended), the issue would have been killed for a generation and UKIP would have fallen to pieces, just as it in fact did after Leave won. Alas, it was time for the Conservative backstabbing roulette, and everything went pear-shaped. It wouldn’t have been too much to expect for the leader of the Labour Party to campaign for Remain. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On February 16 2019 00:25 KwarK wrote: It wouldn’t have been too much to expect for the leader of the Labour Party to campaign for Remain. And I'm sure any leader barring Jeremy Corbyn would have. Blair and Brown both weighed in, after all. | ||
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KwarK
United States43557 Posts
On February 16 2019 01:10 iamthedave wrote: And I'm sure any leader barring Jeremy Corbyn would have. Blair and Brown both weighed in, after all. There’s that issue too. Blair would have helped more he campaigned for Leave. The man has the popularity of a fart in a lift. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
I disagree that David Cameron called a referendum at the last moment remain could had won. As time goes on, those who would want to leave die off, and though it might be a sizeable amount, would remain a side issue. Till the referendum was put into place by Cameron anyways. UKIP, might be fracturing the Conservative party, but it would had always remained a minority. David Cameron called a referendum, not to drive away the issue in UK, but to drive away the issue in solely the Conservative Party. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5752 Posts
LOL, what a bunch of clowns. I used to think that the Polish parliament was a shitshow. This looks like a Monty Python sketch, ffs. | ||
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Longshank
1648 Posts
On February 16 2019 09:34 maybenexttime wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJgrLsxn7aU LOL, what a bunch of clowns. I used to think that the Polish parliament was a shitshow. This looks like a Monty Python sketch, ffs. They were unusually calm and collected on this occasion though. | ||
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Deleuze
United Kingdom2102 Posts
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2019/feb/15/how-brexit-revealed-four-new-political-factions | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
EU ready to throw Ireland under the bus. User was warned for this post. | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2709 Posts
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m4ini
4215 Posts
There's literally zero substance to this other than the polish foreign minister being a dipshit (incidentally, also a right wing populist - coincidence). Please don't jump onto these kinds of shitposts, i understand that it's somehow surprising for these kinds of people that the EU doesn't bend over backwards to accommodate their wishes, but that doesn't mean that there's a discussion to be had about this. I think, they called this tactic "fear mongering" when the EU pointed out facts back then. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9275 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + How did more serious Remainers react to this stunt? | ||
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Longshank
1648 Posts
Basically, my question in how is Rory Stewart perceived in the UK, as a politician? I know he's not next in line for being a PM but is there any chance of him becomming the leader for the Tories? He seems to stand in such a stark contrast to the bickering and partisanship we see today. Not only in the UK but also here in Sweden. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On February 17 2019 22:18 Sent. wrote: I accidentally clicked the guy's name which lead me to his main twitter page instead of that particular tweet. Here's what I saw pinned at the top. + Show Spoiler + How did more serious Remainers react to this stunt? Nobody noticed. Except brexiteers on twitter it seems. Good Morning Britain is considered more of a gossip show, rather than a serious news program. | ||
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Longshank
1648 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9768 Posts
On February 18 2019 07:03 Longshank wrote: So after watching and reading way too much UK politics stuff for a foreigner, I came across your Minister of State for Prisons, Rory Stewart. First in just some brexit related interview on Sky where he came off as your average politician. But then I listen to him in a conversation with James O'Brien and he made some excellent points and seemed like a good guy so I googled him and watched some more interviews and holy crap, what an impressive character! I just came off a five hour long youtubing of some of his lectures, debates, speeches and interviews and I'm even more amazed of that man. There are some highlights I would recommend for everyone such as his 1.5h debate with Jacob Rees-Mogg on human rights/ECJ or his lecture on Yale on Failed States. Basically, my question in how is Rory Stewart perceived in the UK, as a politician? I know he's not next in line for being a PM but is there any chance of him becomming the leader for the Tories? He seems to stand in such a stark contrast to the bickering and partisanship we see today. Not only in the UK but also here in Sweden. He flies under the radar in the UK. Prisons minister is a terrible job, he's been given the most impossible task - reforming a system that is completely and utterly broken in every possible way with zero money. He says the right things and seems like a decent guy, but they are probably testing how much shit he's willing to take by putting him where he is. He rarely gets in the news, except when iirc he threatened to resign if he wasn't able to put certain measures in place for prisons. | ||
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Oukka
Finland1683 Posts
Major criticism of the current "two-party system" as well. Quotes mine, I know there is more but in reality it is still very much a two horse race in terms of the UK parliament. Main parties are entrenched in their positions and more interested in bickering for short term gains in domestic and intra-party politics than actually showing leadership or regarding the good of the country. Will be interesting to see if they can A) lure in some centrist pro-remain tories under a pro-EU banner, B) force Corbyn to take a stance in the Brexit mess. These are some of the leading figures in the drive for the 2nd referendum in the labour party and now if they leave the party there is a fair chance that the 2nd referendum gets buried under Corbyn trying desperately to force a new general election while the country is headed off a cliff... EDIT: and Corbyn in his first comments doesn't address any of the issues the splitting MPs brought up and repeats the same old mantra about how labour is for the many not the few and how the current government is causing misery with the universal credit and Brexit policies. It feels as the man believes that labour can win just by pointing out all the flaws in the other party without having any kind of look into the mirror or self-reflection. | ||
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