UK Politics Mega-thread - Page 190

On July 03 2016 22:35 Shield wrote:
Do most immigrants from outside EU do jobs which don't require higher education? I heard an opinion yesterday that people want to leave EU because Europeans are well educated, are willing to work for less and, therefore, "steal" their jobs. On the other hand, they're (people who want to Leave) not afraid of immigration outside EU because they work what the British people don't want to do. True/false? I don't know the whole picture to have an idea, but I see quite a lot of Middle Eastern people who have halal/kebab shops, bus drivers, etc.

Edit: I just remembered that the media often mentions Polish plumbers so that's a counter-argument.

Thomas estimates 30-40% of Barratt’s workforce in the capital hails from mainland Europe. “It wouldn’t be unusual to find 10-plus nationalities on a London construction site, and dual language signs,” he said.

On July 03 2016 23:49 Jockmcplop wrote:
Its hard to see how the effect of migrants could be anywhere near the level of the effect of successive governments failing to ensure that there is enough new housing.
British governments have been failing at this for decades, this was a predictable housing crisis, not caused by migrants at all.
The most frustrating thing is that our current government seems to have no interest in trying to solve the problem by building new houses.

On July 04 2016 00:30 Lonyo wrote:



https://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/feb/10/uk-plumbers-builders-engineers-skill-crisis-economy
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-35667939
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/may/11/brexit-shortage-construction-staff-barratt-housebuilding-uk-eu-referendum

The problem is that people see foreign doctors, or plumbers, or anything, and think that they are taking away jobs. They are quite often filling skills gaps.

I wonder how much the build rate will decrease when we have even fewer skilled builders because we don't have access to the EU labour pool.

Hospitals are going to Indian and the Philippines to try and recruit to cover staff shortages already, pre-referendum.

On July 03 2016 23:49 Jockmcplop wrote:
Its hard to see how the effect of migrants could be anywhere near the level of the effect of successive governments failing to ensure that there is enough new housing.
British governments have been failing at this for decades, this was a predictable housing crisis, not caused by migrants at all.
The most frustrating thing is that our current government seems to have no interest in trying to solve the problem by building new houses.

On July 04 2016 01:19 puerk wrote:
land is finite and i really like the german word for real estate in that context: it is immobile, so the fundamental will always be location
you can not add more prime location downtown london real estate to the market

so every building project outside of prime locations is increadibly risky: either people come and the project flurishes or they don't and all interdependent factors like infrastructure, shops, services do not come aswell.

no single company level actor can offer the needed security and backing that a real estate development will be profitable, as it is always about: will all factors align that people want to live and work there

and a third problem in my mind is that rent level is thought to be correlated with the value development of the property itself: building low rent housing has the added risk of deteriorating faster in the eyes of the real estate developers... to me there seems to be a vibe that affordable housing goes down the drain faster
(from my experience this is mostly due to neglect by the owners and not the renters but both happen)

so why would you invest in land (price only determined by location) and then build something cheap with low return on investment and an unfavourable degradation curve, when you can instead build something more expensive with higher return on investment and a development curve that might even slope upward, because even though the real estate gets worn and used the high rent clientel increases the value of the neighbourhood and attracts more of them, so it becomes an object of speculation and the price inflates

the absolute land price no matter what you want to build on it will always swing the balance to high return on investment decisions

The five Conservative leadership candidates have all said they would not hold a referendum on Britain's exit deal from the EU.

Work and pensions secretary Stephen Crabb, who campaigned for Remain, said the referendum was a "clear instruction to government" and there could be "no attempt to sidestep it".

Justice Secretary Michael Gove has said he would wait until at least 2017 to kick off the two-year process of negotiating the UK's withdrawal by invoking Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty.

Home Secretary Theresa May, who is seen as the frontrunner, has said the government should not invoke Article 50 before the end of the year.

But energy minister Andrea Leadsom says it should be triggered as quickly as possible, to remove economic uncertainty.

On July 04 2016 20:37 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
This argument that local people don't want to do low paying work like cleaning, labouring etc is only a half truth.
The fact is that these jobs can no longer afford a basic standard of living - that is a house (even in a shitty area), food, electricity.The main cost here is housing which has been in a huge bubble and has increased far beyond reason.

Eastern Europeans stay for a few years and send whatever they can home, it is incredibly hard to raise a nuclear family in England on the wages for low paid workers with the housing situation being what it has been the past decade.Natives can get housing benefit and the rest and live better than if they were working f/t at a low wage job.That is not right and is totally unsustainable.

On July 04 2016 20:37 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
This argument that local people don't want to do low paying work like cleaning, labouring etc is only a half truth.
The fact is that these jobs can no longer afford a basic standard of living - that is a house (even in a shitty area), food, electricity.The main cost here is housing which has been in a huge bubble and has increased far beyond reason.

Eastern Europeans stay for a few years and send whatever they can home, it is incredibly hard to raise a nuclear family in England on the wages for low paid workers with the housing situation being what it has been the past decade.Natives can get housing benefit and the rest and live better than if they were working f/t at a low wage job.That is not right and is totally unsustainable.

This guy puts it across well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gHLfMXb0Yg

On July 04 2016 18:57 Gorsameth wrote:
That timing to quit. I dont...

Feels like there has to be more behind this, you don't just quit and walk away so soon after winning a major victory you have been fighting for your entire career.

On July 04 2016 20:44 Laurens wrote:


Did you watch the vid though? All I see is the guy getting owned at the end by the tiny lady.
Not once does he explain how the Brexit would help any of his issues lmao.
As he rightly states, Britain has been multicultural for decades, EU or not, the Polish will still be there.

On July 04 2016 20:47 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:

Wow.
If you think zero hours contracts helps your argument then there is no help for you.
Even back in 2007 i doubt we'd see Northern Rock lending to someone employed on a zero hours contract, what is your thoughts? 150,000 mortgage on a zero hours contract anyone? Hah!