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On June 25 2013 00:05 shadymmj wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:01 FetTerBender wrote:On June 24 2013 23:58 shadymmj wrote:
But if you didn't change the logo to reflect gay pride or some crap we wouldn't have to lose anyone in this community who genuinely likes to discuss Starcraft. Which I remind everyone is what we're here for. How on earth homosexuality is related to SC I don't know. No community would ever do something a little bit away from their core meaning. Like football / soccer / sports against racism. Never. when balotelli gets abused on the pitch for being black and it starts to affect him negatively, then it IS an issue. when gay sc2 players get abused for being gay, come back to me.
Yup, I've never heard homophobic coments from SC2 community. LGBT members especially never get abuse in every single thread.
Can't imagine why there aren't more, especially from the Korean side of things.
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LOL people jump to LoL coverage
How does that even make sense lmao
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Norway28665 Posts
On June 25 2013 00:00 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 23:43 Liquid`Drone wrote:On June 24 2013 23:40 r.Evo wrote:On June 24 2013 23:24 Liquid`Drone wrote:On June 24 2013 23:14 Big-t wrote:
I love rainbows, but I hope that´s not the beginning of a pro-gay-TL....
It's not the beginning of a pro-gay-TL. Because TL has been pro-gay since it's conception. It is absolutely going to stay pro-gay though, and this is out way of vocalizing this. The reason why gay pride is the first social issue that made us funk up our banner, is that gay pride is the single social issue with the least amount of internal disagreement. Gays not being treated equally, everywhere, isn't really an anachronism, because there's no historical period where this inequality feels "correct", but it is still one of the most important issues of our time and age, and the internet is crucial for the enlightenment of people through the world. The basis of treating everyone equally to me is to... just treat them equally. The need to go out and tell the world how much you're supporting everyone equally is on a much, much lower level than TL just doing it over all those years. We have enough of people proclaiming their politically correct views posting flags and colors on Facebook and Twitter. Being pro-anything means that you kick the very thing that should be the basis for equality in the balls. Equally. PS: Maybe I'm wrong here, but I never perceived TL to be "pro-gay". For me TL is anti-discriminatory. Anti-stupid. Without paying attention to the color of one's skin or one's sexual orientation - which is what makes this place great. In the event where someone are discriminated against in many ways, some positive discrimination is the only way to achieve equality. besides, we have a plain, straight-maned horse in our banner 51 out of 52 weeks through the year. I'm proud of TL just straight up banning people for sexist, racist or anti-gay remarks. That's how you fight for equal rights. I would be just as sad about this if it would be TL officially supporting a black-pride/jewish-pride/takewhateveryouwant-pride month. We're better than doing what dozens of people who show "support" by posting an image or yelling a couple of phrases are doing. We're not missing flags and "signs of supports", we're missing action. People stepping in when someone gets mocked on the streets and in schools. Not people who look away and afterwards call it a tragedy because that's the "correct thing to do". To me TL used to be a frontier of actions over words for all this time. I want to see a blog with pics of R1CH and Mora partying somewhere and having fun. I want to read a story of Rekrul punching someone in the face because he insulted his best gay buddy. And then I want to post a big huge LOL WELL DONE under those blogs because those are things to be happy for and proud about. ...just not a flag with the intent of "proclaiming our support". =/
look at this very thread. It started as a consequence of our banner. This thread expresses more support of gay rights than any other not-strictly-pro-gay-thread I've ever seen on the internet. And one of the best ways to spread the validity of an opinion, is to have many people express that opinion.
Basically, our effort was very small, (not to diminish hawaiianpig's great artwork!), and so far the outcome, at least from my perspective, has been great. I'm very happy.
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On June 25 2013 00:01 Big-t wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 23:59 Schelim wrote:On June 24 2013 23:36 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:35 namste wrote:On June 24 2013 23:33 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:32 theodorus12 wrote:
That's pretty sad, this is supposed to be a gaming site. Stop shoving your political agenda in peoples faces. This! You will loose so many visitors! Your internet has to be pretty freaking small if you can't visit any site that doesn't discriminate people. I prefer random discrimination over gays... i'd prefer TL warning or banning people for comments like these rather than some of the things than they do warn or ban for, but it's still their site and i know i have to adhere to their rules if i don't wanna get banned again. i suggest you either do the same (->shut up before you embarass yourself and our country any more than you already have) or deal with the consequences. If they warn my for this they are shooting themselves into their own knees. They want freedom, but I can´t say what I think???????
You might want to visit the 10 commandments thread - you know, the thread you SHOULD have read before you started posting. However much you want to portray it as such, banning/warning is not an attack on your freedom of speech. TL has no obligation to be a platform for anyone to spew their stupidity on - it is their house, we are all here as guests and nothing more.
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United States42656 Posts
On June 25 2013 00:05 Antyee wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:01 KwarK wrote:On June 24 2013 23:51 theodorus12 wrote:On June 24 2013 23:48 Broodwurst wrote:On June 24 2013 23:44 theodorus12 wrote:On June 24 2013 23:40 renaissanceMAN wrote:On June 24 2013 23:38 theodorus12 wrote:On June 24 2013 23:35 renaissanceMAN wrote:On June 24 2013 23:32 theodorus12 wrote:
That's pretty sad, this is supposed to be a gaming site. Stop shoving your political agenda in peoples faces. how is changing the website's logo "shoving their political agenda in your face?" go crawl back into whatever hole you came out from. Well, putting the gay pride colours at the most viewed place pretty much is shoving it in our faces. And nice personal attack there. what's wrong with a rainbow? the fact that the colors are used by an organization to promote EQUALITY shouldn't mean anything. that's like saying using red white and blue in any instance is calling attention to america, they're colors, get over it. It's very obvious what the colours mean in this context. And like I said, this site is about eSports, not about pushing the political agenda of some people. Discrimination is bad, I accept gays, they should have the same rights etc. but still think that it's disgusting. Especially if they feel the need to always express how different they are etc and the funny thing is most of the "normal gays" agree with that. Ok then let's ban gay parades. While we're at it let's also ban military parades, i hate how they show off. Also carnival...disgusting, everyone getting drunk and wearing stupid outfits. And nerds! OMG those stupid nerds, always talking about computers and video games and shit. BAN THEM ALL I SAY. Everyone should shut up and stay at home. I'm not talking about banning anything, but there are places where it's ok and such where it's not. This site has always been about esport, esport news etc. Having some admin abusing this site to shove his political views in other peoples faces is just wrong and an insult to anyone who has supported this site in the past. Hate to break it to you but teamliquid as a website, as an institution and as a brand has always been strongly in favour of equal rights for homosexuals. This logo is no more pro gay than the normal one. But fighting for equality with a banner that offends some people doesn't seem right though. Even if you think they are wrong, and are the ones discriminating others.
I strongly suggest that if they're offended then they either get over it or make their own website.
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On June 25 2013 00:05 Big-t wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:02 Julmust wrote:On June 25 2013 00:00 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:58 Pholon wrote:On June 24 2013 23:51 theodorus12 wrote:
I'm not talking about banning anything, but there are places where it's ok and such where it's not. This site has always been about esport, esport news etc. Having some admin abusing this site to shove his political views in other peoples faces is just wrong and an insult to anyone who has supported this site in the past.
Stop saying it's a political view when from our end it isn't. We're speaking out about basic human rights. What about my view? What about the principal falsity of gays? You are not supposed to put your P into a B. Haha ok that last sentence just made me laugh so hard. This is 100% a troll, no one else (over the age of 10) would ever write "you are not supposed to put your p into a b" Well played good sir, well played! Try taking people serious, even though they sound silly!
I got an idea. Instead of all these posts that you have made in this thread. Take your own advice and keep your political views to yourself. Since you believe gays should just act "normal" in society, how about you do the same and act "normal" here on TL and don't post about something that really doesn't affect you in any real way. Try not pushing your views on everyone else. It's not like TL went and changed the entire site to support LGBTQ, all they did was change some colours on a logo.
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On June 25 2013 00:07 Big-t wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:04 Schelim wrote:On June 25 2013 00:01 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:59 Schelim wrote:On June 24 2013 23:36 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:35 namste wrote:On June 24 2013 23:33 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:32 theodorus12 wrote:
That's pretty sad, this is supposed to be a gaming site. Stop shoving your political agenda in peoples faces. This! You will loose so many visitors! Your internet has to be pretty freaking small if you can't visit any site that doesn't discriminate people. I prefer random discrimination over gays... i'd prefer TL warning or banning people for comments like these rather than some of the things than they do warn or ban for, but it's still their site and i know i have to adhere to their rules if i don't wanna get banned again. i suggest you either do the same (->shut up before you embarass yourself and our country any more than you already have) or deal with the consequences. If they warn my for this they are shooting themselves into their own knees. They want freedom, but I can´t say what I think??????? it's their site, they can permaban you for absolutely no reason if they want to. not saying they're doing that, but you gotta understand an internet forum is not a democracy. pretty sure the rules state that discrimination of anything or anyone is a warnable/banable offense. if i can't say i think Axeltoss is a bad caster, you shouldn't be able to say you prefer discrimination over gays. I know they could ban me forever if they want, just saying it would a shot into their knees.
You will get banned if you keep up the homosexual/transexual hate, and believe me when I say, no one, not us, the admins or the world will give a rats ass about you getting the ban.
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On June 25 2013 00:06 Big-t wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:04 ilmeeni wrote:On June 25 2013 00:00 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:58 Pholon wrote:On June 24 2013 23:51 theodorus12 wrote:
I'm not talking about banning anything, but there are places where it's ok and such where it's not. This site has always been about esport, esport news etc. Having some admin abusing this site to shove his political views in other peoples faces is just wrong and an insult to anyone who has supported this site in the past.
Stop saying it's a political view when from our end it isn't. We're speaking out about basic human rights. What about my view? What about the principal falsity of gays? You are not supposed to put your P into a B. According to whom? That's a fairly common practice among heterosexual couples as well. Why don't you just go? Nobody will miss you. BUT I WILL MISS YOU GUYS! Why is no one understanding me -_________________________-
People are understanding you, they are just, like yourself, reserving their right to tell you that they believe you're wrong and that they personally believe the community as a whole wouldn't miss you. You have an unsavory opinion on this topic. Did you really think you'd just spout it and TL-members would just let it slide? You had to know you were opening a can of worms.
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On June 25 2013 00:03 shadymmj wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:00 Julmust wrote:On June 24 2013 23:58 shadymmj wrote:
But if you didn't change the logo to reflect gay pride or some crap we wouldn't have to lose anyone in this community who genuinely likes to discuss Starcraft. Which I remind everyone is what we're here for. How on earth homosexuality is related to SC I don't know. Its related to being a good human being thanks for the advice, Jesus sir. i hope that when my time comes you will be standing in front of the pearly gates waiting to welcome me in.
Lol. What? The trolls abound.
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On June 25 2013 00:07 Big-t wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:04 Schelim wrote:On June 25 2013 00:01 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:59 Schelim wrote:On June 24 2013 23:36 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:35 namste wrote:On June 24 2013 23:33 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:32 theodorus12 wrote:
That's pretty sad, this is supposed to be a gaming site. Stop shoving your political agenda in peoples faces. This! You will loose so many visitors! Your internet has to be pretty freaking small if you can't visit any site that doesn't discriminate people. I prefer random discrimination over gays... i'd prefer TL warning or banning people for comments like these rather than some of the things than they do warn or ban for, but it's still their site and i know i have to adhere to their rules if i don't wanna get banned again. i suggest you either do the same (->shut up before you embarass yourself and our country any more than you already have) or deal with the consequences. If they warn my for this they are shooting themselves into their own knees. They want freedom, but I can´t say what I think??????? it's their site, they can permaban you for absolutely no reason if they want to. not saying they're doing that, but you gotta understand an internet forum is not a democracy. pretty sure the rules state that discrimination of anything or anyone is a warnable/banable offense. if i can't say i think Axeltoss is a bad caster, you shouldn't be able to say you prefer discrimination over gays. I know they could ban me forever if they want, just saying it would a shot into their knees.
If you freak out this badly over a rainbow mane in the banner, I think they might be ok.
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On June 25 2013 00:06 FliedLice wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:00 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:58 Pholon wrote:On June 24 2013 23:51 theodorus12 wrote:
I'm not talking about banning anything, but there are places where it's ok and such where it's not. This site has always been about esport, esport news etc. Having some admin abusing this site to shove his political views in other peoples faces is just wrong and an insult to anyone who has supported this site in the past.
Stop saying it's a political view when from our end it isn't. We're speaking out about basic human rights. What about my view? What about the principal falsity of gays? You are not supposed to put your P into a B. You can't be fucking serious. You're also "not supposed to" use your H on your P, but I have a feeling you did that before.
You are right sir and I would understand it, if you are discriminating me for this.
Now I don´t understand why ever one goes like "Oh gays are most normal thing in the world". When I was born gay was an illness!
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On June 25 2013 00:05 shadymmj wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:01 FetTerBender wrote:On June 24 2013 23:58 shadymmj wrote:
But if you didn't change the logo to reflect gay pride or some crap we wouldn't have to lose anyone in this community who genuinely likes to discuss Starcraft. Which I remind everyone is what we're here for. How on earth homosexuality is related to SC I don't know. No community would ever do something a little bit away from their core meaning. Like football / soccer / sports against racism. Never. when balotelli gets abused on the pitch for being black and it starts to affect him negatively, then it IS an issue. when gay sc2 players get abused for being gay, come back to me.
What would, seeing this thread and how it is working out, happen to a gay progamer?
I guess within no time he would have 50+ posts in his own fanclub posting some stuff which has nothing to do with his / her career. Heck, even all the stuff going on in Acer.Scarlett´s threads is unbelieveable at some days.
Dont ridicule yourself by claiming all people in the SC2 community would treat homosexuals fairly.
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On June 25 2013 00:09 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:07 Big-t wrote:On June 25 2013 00:04 Schelim wrote:On June 25 2013 00:01 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:59 Schelim wrote:On June 24 2013 23:36 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:35 namste wrote:On June 24 2013 23:33 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:32 theodorus12 wrote:
That's pretty sad, this is supposed to be a gaming site. Stop shoving your political agenda in peoples faces. This! You will loose so many visitors! Your internet has to be pretty freaking small if you can't visit any site that doesn't discriminate people. I prefer random discrimination over gays... i'd prefer TL warning or banning people for comments like these rather than some of the things than they do warn or ban for, but it's still their site and i know i have to adhere to their rules if i don't wanna get banned again. i suggest you either do the same (->shut up before you embarass yourself and our country any more than you already have) or deal with the consequences. If they warn my for this they are shooting themselves into their own knees. They want freedom, but I can´t say what I think??????? it's their site, they can permaban you for absolutely no reason if they want to. not saying they're doing that, but you gotta understand an internet forum is not a democracy. pretty sure the rules state that discrimination of anything or anyone is a warnable/banable offense. if i can't say i think Axeltoss is a bad caster, you shouldn't be able to say you prefer discrimination over gays. I know they could ban me forever if they want, just saying it would a shot into their knees. If you freak out this badly over a rainbow mane in the banner, I think they might be ok.
I am ok with the banner, seriously I like it.
BUT I don´t accept gays. It´s so simple.
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United States42656 Posts
On June 25 2013 00:09 Big-t wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:06 FliedLice wrote:On June 25 2013 00:00 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:58 Pholon wrote:On June 24 2013 23:51 theodorus12 wrote:
I'm not talking about banning anything, but there are places where it's ok and such where it's not. This site has always been about esport, esport news etc. Having some admin abusing this site to shove his political views in other peoples faces is just wrong and an insult to anyone who has supported this site in the past.
Stop saying it's a political view when from our end it isn't. We're speaking out about basic human rights. What about my view? What about the principal falsity of gays? You are not supposed to put your P into a B. You can't be fucking serious. You're also "not supposed to" use your H on your P, but I have a feeling you did that before. You are right sir and I would understand it, if you are discriminating me for this. Now I don´t understand why ever one goes like "Oh gays are most normal thing in the world". When I was born gay was an illness!
And Pluto was a planet. When you were born people were wrong.
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On June 25 2013 00:09 Big-t wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:06 FliedLice wrote:On June 25 2013 00:00 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:58 Pholon wrote:On June 24 2013 23:51 theodorus12 wrote:
I'm not talking about banning anything, but there are places where it's ok and such where it's not. This site has always been about esport, esport news etc. Having some admin abusing this site to shove his political views in other peoples faces is just wrong and an insult to anyone who has supported this site in the past.
Stop saying it's a political view when from our end it isn't. We're speaking out about basic human rights. What about my view? What about the principal falsity of gays? You are not supposed to put your P into a B. You can't be fucking serious. You're also "not supposed to" use your H on your P, but I have a feeling you did that before. You are right sir and I would understand it, if you are discriminating me for this. Now I don´t understand why ever one goes like "Oh gays are most normal thing in the world". When I was born gay was an illness!
Was being jewish also a thing to get killed over back then?
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On June 25 2013 00:10 Big-t wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:09 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 00:07 Big-t wrote:On June 25 2013 00:04 Schelim wrote:On June 25 2013 00:01 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:59 Schelim wrote:On June 24 2013 23:36 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:35 namste wrote:On June 24 2013 23:33 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:32 theodorus12 wrote:
That's pretty sad, this is supposed to be a gaming site. Stop shoving your political agenda in peoples faces. This! You will loose so many visitors! Your internet has to be pretty freaking small if you can't visit any site that doesn't discriminate people. I prefer random discrimination over gays... i'd prefer TL warning or banning people for comments like these rather than some of the things than they do warn or ban for, but it's still their site and i know i have to adhere to their rules if i don't wanna get banned again. i suggest you either do the same (->shut up before you embarass yourself and our country any more than you already have) or deal with the consequences. If they warn my for this they are shooting themselves into their own knees. They want freedom, but I can´t say what I think??????? it's their site, they can permaban you for absolutely no reason if they want to. not saying they're doing that, but you gotta understand an internet forum is not a democracy. pretty sure the rules state that discrimination of anything or anyone is a warnable/banable offense. if i can't say i think Axeltoss is a bad caster, you shouldn't be able to say you prefer discrimination over gays. I know they could ban me forever if they want, just saying it would a shot into their knees. If you freak out this badly over a rainbow mane in the banner, I think they might be ok. I am ok with the banner, seriously I like it. BUT I don´t accept gays. It´s so simple.
that's like saying you don't accept how electricity works or you don't believe that you're actually breathing air
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WAIT A MINUTE.
You cannot, in all seriousness, tell me that a colored TL horse offends you
I know that there are a lot of people with a lot of (to me) weird opinions out there but nobody can tell me that a colourful horse offends them, thats beyond ridiculous.
The only thing I can think of is a .. rainbow trauma ?!
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It's all about a principle of perspective, you might object to consensual actions between two adults who are responsible for their own actions; and I might object to the hypocrisy that religious people who swore absolute truthfulness and devotion before their God when they get married only to get divorced a few years down the line due to domestic abuse, then using the same said god to dictate the actions of others.
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On June 25 2013 00:06 Fission wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:05 shadymmj wrote:On June 25 2013 00:01 FetTerBender wrote:On June 24 2013 23:58 shadymmj wrote:
But if you didn't change the logo to reflect gay pride or some crap we wouldn't have to lose anyone in this community who genuinely likes to discuss Starcraft. Which I remind everyone is what we're here for. How on earth homosexuality is related to SC I don't know. No community would ever do something a little bit away from their core meaning. Like football / soccer / sports against racism. Never. when balotelli gets abused on the pitch for being black and it starts to affect him negatively, then it IS an issue. when gay sc2 players get abused for being gay, come back to me. Scarlett gets verbally abused and harassed for being a transwoman, and if we had gay starcraft players who were open about it, you can bet that they'd be harassed aswell. The fact that teamliquid can't even change their banner for a week without bigots emerging from the woodwork to decry it shows how much work is yet to be done with respect to LGBTQ rights.
To be fair, the people crying out against the banner are a (VERY) vocal minority.
But as Drone said above, the best way to spread a message is to get people talking about it. Mission accomplished.
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On June 25 2013 00:09 Big-t wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:06 FliedLice wrote:On June 25 2013 00:00 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:58 Pholon wrote:On June 24 2013 23:51 theodorus12 wrote:
I'm not talking about banning anything, but there are places where it's ok and such where it's not. This site has always been about esport, esport news etc. Having some admin abusing this site to shove his political views in other peoples faces is just wrong and an insult to anyone who has supported this site in the past.
Stop saying it's a political view when from our end it isn't. We're speaking out about basic human rights. What about my view? What about the principal falsity of gays? You are not supposed to put your P into a B. You can't be fucking serious. You're also "not supposed to" use your H on your P, but I have a feeling you did that before. You are right sir and I would understand it, if you are discriminating me for this. Now I don´t understand why ever one goes like "Oh gays are most normal thing in the world". When I was born gay was an illness!
No it wasn't, people just claimed it was because they were ignorant. The world has moved on from that primitive point of view, even if some people have not come with it.
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