On June 24 2013 23:51 theodorus12 wrote: I'm not talking about banning anything, but there are places where it's ok and such where it's not. This site has always been about esport, esport news etc. Having some admin abusing this site to shove his political views in other peoples faces is just wrong and an insult to anyone who has supported this site in the past.
Stop saying it's a political view when from our end it isn't. We're speaking out about basic human rights.
What about my view? What about the principal falsity of gays? You are not supposed to put your P into a B.
You can't be fucking serious.
You're also "not supposed to" use your H on your P, but I have a feeling you did that before.
You are right sir and I would understand it, if you are discriminating me for this.
Now I don´t understand why ever one goes like "Oh gays are most normal thing in the world". When I was born gay was an illness!
When you were born? Dinosaurs still believe it to be an illness, just like some of them believe Blacks and Jews are sub-humans. Do you agree with them on that front? Or is that ignorant, you're just against the gays?
Why am I even in this thread, I gotta get out of here. Gonna get myself in trouble.
On June 24 2013 23:58 shadymmj wrote: But if you didn't change the logo to reflect gay pride or some crap we wouldn't have to lose anyone in this community who genuinely likes to discuss Starcraft. Which I remind everyone is what we're here for. How on earth homosexuality is related to SC I don't know.
No community would ever do something a little bit away from their core meaning.
Like football / soccer / sports against racism.
Never.
when balotelli gets abused on the pitch for being black and it starts to affect him negatively, then it IS an issue. when gay sc2 players get abused for being gay, come back to me.
Yup, I've never heard homophobic coments from SC2 community. LGBT members especially never get abuse in every single thread.
Can't imagine why there aren't more, especially from the Korean side of things.
technically, that's not being homophobic. you're citing one person's conundrum and extrapolating it to cover the entire sc2 community, as though it concerned everyone. the fact is that it is not. racism is very evident in sport. i doubt racism, homophobia etc. can be said to be a problem in sc2.
On June 24 2013 23:51 theodorus12 wrote: I'm not talking about banning anything, but there are places where it's ok and such where it's not. This site has always been about esport, esport news etc. Having some admin abusing this site to shove his political views in other peoples faces is just wrong and an insult to anyone who has supported this site in the past.
Stop saying it's a political view when from our end it isn't. We're speaking out about basic human rights.
What about my view? What about the principal falsity of gays? You are not supposed to put your P into a B.
You can't be fucking serious.
You're also "not supposed to" use your H on your P, but I have a feeling you did that before.
You are right sir and I would understand it, if you are discriminating me for this.
Now I don´t understand why ever one goes like "Oh gays are most normal thing in the world". When I was born gay was an illness!
when my grandmother was born, being a Jew meant you didn't deserve to live. do you want to go back to those days? or do you think the term "progress" carries some valid meaning?
On June 24 2013 23:51 theodorus12 wrote: I'm not talking about banning anything, but there are places where it's ok and such where it's not. This site has always been about esport, esport news etc. Having some admin abusing this site to shove his political views in other peoples faces is just wrong and an insult to anyone who has supported this site in the past.
Stop saying it's a political view when from our end it isn't. We're speaking out about basic human rights.
What about my view? What about the principal falsity of gays? You are not supposed to put your P into a B.
You can't be fucking serious.
You're also "not supposed to" use your H on your P, but I have a feeling you did that before.
You are right sir and I would understand it, if you are discriminating me for this.
Now I don´t understand why ever one goes like "Oh gays are most normal thing in the world". When I was born gay was an illness!
And Pluto was a planet. When you were born people were wrong.
Yeah only that never ever ever people will say: Oh look, we can reproduce by using buttsex. NEVER!
On June 24 2013 23:51 theodorus12 wrote: I'm not talking about banning anything, but there are places where it's ok and such where it's not. This site has always been about esport, esport news etc. Having some admin abusing this site to shove his political views in other peoples faces is just wrong and an insult to anyone who has supported this site in the past.
Stop saying it's a political view when from our end it isn't. We're speaking out about basic human rights.
What about my view? What about the principal falsity of gays? You are not supposed to put your P into a B.
You can't be fucking serious.
You're also "not supposed to" use your H on your P, but I have a feeling you did that before.
You are right sir and I would understand it, if you are discriminating me for this.
Now I don´t understand why ever one goes like "Oh gays are most normal thing in the world". When I was born gay was an illness!
Laws have changed for the better. In my country it was illegal for people with epilepsy to get married until 1970. Something has happened in the last 45 years that has made people realise that all humans should be treated equally, no matter how they were born. Some of you are obviously lagging behind a little.
On June 24 2013 23:32 theodorus12 wrote: That's pretty sad, this is supposed to be a gaming site. Stop shoving your political agenda in peoples faces.
This! You will loose so many visitors!
Your internet has to be pretty freaking small if you can't visit any site that doesn't discriminate people.
I prefer random discrimination over gays...
i'd prefer TL warning or banning people for comments like these rather than some of the things than they do warn or ban for, but it's still their site and i know i have to adhere to their rules if i don't wanna get banned again. i suggest you either do the same (->shut up before you embarass yourself and our country any more than you already have) or deal with the consequences.
If they warn my for this they are shooting themselves into their own knees. They want freedom, but I can´t say what I think???????
it's their site, they can permaban you for absolutely no reason if they want to. not saying they're doing that, but you gotta understand an internet forum is not a democracy. pretty sure the rules state that discrimination of anything or anyone is a warnable/banable offense.
if i can't say i think Axeltoss is a bad caster, you shouldn't be able to say you prefer discrimination over gays.
I know they could ban me forever if they want, just saying it would a shot into their knees.
If you freak out this badly over a rainbow mane in the banner, I think they might be ok.
I am ok with the banner, seriously I like it.
BUT I don´t accept gays. It´s so simple.
I accept you - even for all your hate. I feel like you just need some love to show you how to love others. I would give you a hug and tell you "Every little thing, is gonna be alright." *Hug* (No homo)
On June 25 2013 00:05 Mazer wrote: For anyone saying this is unnecessary, just take a look at how many people are getting upset over 'TL pushing a political agenda'. So much ignorance.
Good move by TL.
It's literally two people in the thread who are upset and I guess they're trolling.
On June 24 2013 23:51 theodorus12 wrote: I'm not talking about banning anything, but there are places where it's ok and such where it's not. This site has always been about esport, esport news etc. Having some admin abusing this site to shove his political views in other peoples faces is just wrong and an insult to anyone who has supported this site in the past.
Stop saying it's a political view when from our end it isn't. We're speaking out about basic human rights.
What about my view? What about the principal falsity of gays? You are not supposed to put your P into a B.
You can't be fucking serious.
You're also "not supposed to" use your H on your P, but I have a feeling you did that before.
You are right sir and I would understand it, if you are discriminating me for this.
Now I don´t understand why ever one goes like "Oh gays are most normal thing in the world". When I was born gay was an illness!
And Pluto was a planet. When you were born people were wrong.
Yeah only that never ever ever people will say: Oh look, we can reproduce by using buttsex. NEVER!
On June 24 2013 23:51 theodorus12 wrote: I'm not talking about banning anything, but there are places where it's ok and such where it's not. This site has always been about esport, esport news etc. Having some admin abusing this site to shove his political views in other peoples faces is just wrong and an insult to anyone who has supported this site in the past.
Stop saying it's a political view when from our end it isn't. We're speaking out about basic human rights.
What about my view? What about the principal falsity of gays? You are not supposed to put your P into a B.
You can't be fucking serious.
You're also "not supposed to" use your H on your P, but I have a feeling you did that before.
You are right sir and I would understand it, if you are discriminating me for this.
Now I don´t understand why ever one goes like "Oh gays are most normal thing in the world". When I was born gay was an illness!
And Pluto was a planet. When you were born people were wrong.
Yeah only that never ever ever people will say: Oh look, we can reproduce by using buttsex. NEVER!
so your argument against gay rights is that gays can't reproduce?
you can't be serious, could you stop flip flopping from poor defense to poor defense trying to regain some kind of footing, you're just making yourself look even worse each time.
On June 24 2013 23:51 theodorus12 wrote: I'm not talking about banning anything, but there are places where it's ok and such where it's not. This site has always been about esport, esport news etc. Having some admin abusing this site to shove his political views in other peoples faces is just wrong and an insult to anyone who has supported this site in the past.
Stop saying it's a political view when from our end it isn't. We're speaking out about basic human rights.
What about my view? What about the principal falsity of gays? You are not supposed to put your P into a B.
You can't be fucking serious.
You're also "not supposed to" use your H on your P, but I have a feeling you did that before.
You are right sir and I would understand it, if you are discriminating me for this.
Now I don´t understand why ever one goes like "Oh gays are most normal thing in the world". When I was born gay was an illness!
And Pluto was a planet. When you were born people were wrong.
Yeah only that never ever ever people will say: Oh look, we can reproduce by using buttsex. NEVER!
Fortunately right and wrong isn't determined solely by whether or not a given action can be used to reproduce.
On June 24 2013 23:51 theodorus12 wrote: I'm not talking about banning anything, but there are places where it's ok and such where it's not. This site has always been about esport, esport news etc. Having some admin abusing this site to shove his political views in other peoples faces is just wrong and an insult to anyone who has supported this site in the past.
Stop saying it's a political view when from our end it isn't. We're speaking out about basic human rights.
What about my view? What about the principal falsity of gays? You are not supposed to put your P into a B.
You can't be fucking serious.
You're also "not supposed to" use your H on your P, but I have a feeling you did that before.
You are right sir and I would understand it, if you are discriminating me for this.
Now I don´t understand why ever one goes like "Oh gays are most normal thing in the world". When I was born gay was an illness!
And Pluto was a planet. When you were born people were wrong.
Yeah only that never ever ever people will say: Oh look, we can reproduce by using buttsex. NEVER!
Old people can't reproduce either, so they shouldn't be allowed to be couples. Nor can the infertile, for whatever reason.
But then, that's logical and obvious and logic isn't exactly a skill you posses is it?
On June 24 2013 23:32 theodorus12 wrote: That's pretty sad, this is supposed to be a gaming site. Stop shoving your political agenda in peoples faces.
how is changing the website's logo "shoving their political agenda in your face?"
go crawl back into whatever hole you came out from.
Well, putting the gay pride colours at the most viewed place pretty much is shoving it in our faces.
And nice personal attack there.
what's wrong with a rainbow? the fact that the colors are used by an organization to promote EQUALITY shouldn't mean anything.
that's like saying using red white and blue in any instance is calling attention to america, they're colors, get over it.
It's very obvious what the colours mean in this context. And like I said, this site is about eSports, not about pushing the political agenda of some people.
Discrimination is bad, I accept gays, they should have the same rights etc. but still think that it's disgusting. Especially if they feel the need to always express how different they are etc and the funny thing is most of the "normal gays" agree with that.
Ok then let's ban gay parades. While we're at it let's also ban military parades, i hate how they show off. Also carnival...disgusting, everyone getting drunk and wearing stupid outfits. And nerds! OMG those stupid nerds, always talking about computers and video games and shit. BAN THEM ALL I SAY. Everyone should shut up and stay at home.
I'm not talking about banning anything, but there are places where it's ok and such where it's not. This site has always been about esport, esport news etc. Having some admin abusing this site to shove his political views in other peoples faces is just wrong and an insult to anyone who has supported this site in the past.
Hate to break it to you but teamliquid as a website, as an institution and as a brand has always been strongly in favour of equal rights for homosexuals. This logo is no more pro gay than the normal one.
But fighting for equality with a banner that offends some people doesn't seem right though. Even if you think they are wrong, and are the ones discriminating others.
I strongly suggest that if they're offended then they either get over it or make their own website.
Telling people to leave a Gaming website, because they have different views on an unrelated topic? Where is the tolerance everyone seems to expect from every other human being? You are right though, that noone even asked them to express their opinion here, but imo instantly closing this thread might have been the best solution; since this just turned into a 'if you don't like rainbows, you are a stupid person' thread.
On June 24 2013 23:51 theodorus12 wrote: I'm not talking about banning anything, but there are places where it's ok and such where it's not. This site has always been about esport, esport news etc. Having some admin abusing this site to shove his political views in other peoples faces is just wrong and an insult to anyone who has supported this site in the past.
Stop saying it's a political view when from our end it isn't. We're speaking out about basic human rights.
What about my view? What about the principal falsity of gays? You are not supposed to put your P into a B.
You can't be fucking serious.
You're also "not supposed to" use your H on your P, but I have a feeling you did that before.
You are right sir and I would understand it, if you are discriminating me for this.
Now I don´t understand why ever one goes like "Oh gays are most normal thing in the world". When I was born gay was an illness!
And Pluto was a planet. When you were born people were wrong.
Yeah only that never ever ever people will say: Oh look, we can reproduce by using buttsex. NEVER!
Can we go ahead and say this is a troll now? Or someone that doesn't have a good enough understanding of the English language to formulate a coherent argument (some posts seem patchy). I don't seriously believe this is legit.
On June 24 2013 23:32 theodorus12 wrote: That's pretty sad, this is supposed to be a gaming site. Stop shoving your political agenda in peoples faces.
how is changing the website's logo "shoving their political agenda in your face?"
go crawl back into whatever hole you came out from.
Well, putting the gay pride colours at the most viewed place pretty much is shoving it in our faces.
And nice personal attack there.
what's wrong with a rainbow? the fact that the colors are used by an organization to promote EQUALITY shouldn't mean anything.
that's like saying using red white and blue in any instance is calling attention to america, they're colors, get over it.
But...women wear slutty clothes all the time. Why can't men be slutty if they wanna be?
It's very obvious what the colours mean in this context. And like I said, this site is about eSports, not about pushing the political agenda of some people.
Discrimination is bad, I accept gays, they should have the same rights etc. but still think that it's disgusting. Especially if they feel the need to always express how different they are etc and the funny thing is most of the "normal gays" agree with that.
WTF is a "normal" gay?
I think he means homosexuals who just live their live without making it obvious to everybody by organizing rally's and expressing it trough slutty clothing ? He finds it distasteful to be exposed to those things. To be honest i would freak out a bit if a gay out of the blue just pops into your face with slutty clothes. Not to be mean but I am not wired that way.
Though I understand the parades and the flair. This issue needs as much exposure as it can get. It should be accepted and legislation should be made or altered to give them equal rights.
Women wear slutty clothes all the time. Why can't men?
How can you nitpick a pro-gay post and misjudge its intent. I never said it was not ok just that I can be shocked by it if caught off guard. I think allot of people are just lurking to see a poster go i don't like it because of X. and then all jump on the guy.
On June 24 2013 23:58 shadymmj wrote: But if you didn't change the logo to reflect gay pride or some crap we wouldn't have to lose anyone in this community who genuinely likes to discuss Starcraft. Which I remind everyone is what we're here for. How on earth homosexuality is related to SC I don't know.
No community would ever do something a little bit away from their core meaning.
Like football / soccer / sports against racism.
Never.
when balotelli gets abused on the pitch for being black and it starts to affect him negatively, then it IS an issue. when gay sc2 players get abused for being gay, come back to me.
Yup, I've never heard homophobic coments from SC2 community. LGBT members especially never get abuse in every single thread.
Can't imagine why there aren't more, especially from the Korean side of things.
technically, that's not being homophobic. you're citing one person's conundrum and extrapolating it to cover the entire sc2 community, as though it concerned everyone. the fact is that it is not. racism is very evident in sport. i doubt racism, homophobia etc. can be said to be a problem in sc2.
Yes, homophobia is seperate from transphobia, but last I saw it was LGBT pride month/week the horse was in reference to. And homophobia is definately considered acceptable and rampant in ESports as a whole, even if TL is fortunately a site which will not tolerate it.
On June 24 2013 23:51 theodorus12 wrote: I'm not talking about banning anything, but there are places where it's ok and such where it's not. This site has always been about esport, esport news etc. Having some admin abusing this site to shove his political views in other peoples faces is just wrong and an insult to anyone who has supported this site in the past.
Stop saying it's a political view when from our end it isn't. We're speaking out about basic human rights.
What about my view? What about the principal falsity of gays? You are not supposed to put your P into a B.
You can't be fucking serious.
You're also "not supposed to" use your H on your P, but I have a feeling you did that before.
You are right sir and I would understand it, if you are discriminating me for this.
Now I don´t understand why ever one goes like "Oh gays are most normal thing in the world". When I was born gay was an illness!
And Pluto was a planet. When you were born people were wrong.
Yeah only that never ever ever people will say: Oh look, we can reproduce by using buttsex. NEVER!
Fortunately right and wrong isn't determined solely by whether or not a given action can be used to reproduce.
On June 24 2013 23:51 theodorus12 wrote: I'm not talking about banning anything, but there are places where it's ok and such where it's not. This site has always been about esport, esport news etc. Having some admin abusing this site to shove his political views in other peoples faces is just wrong and an insult to anyone who has supported this site in the past.
Stop saying it's a political view when from our end it isn't. We're speaking out about basic human rights.
What about my view? What about the principal falsity of gays? You are not supposed to put your P into a B.
You can't be fucking serious.
You're also "not supposed to" use your H on your P, but I have a feeling you did that before.
You are right sir and I would understand it, if you are discriminating me for this.
Now I don´t understand why ever one goes like "Oh gays are most normal thing in the world". When I was born gay was an illness!
And Pluto was a planet. When you were born people were wrong.
Yeah only that never ever ever people will say: Oh look, we can reproduce by using buttsex. NEVER!
I wasn't aware that was the goal. I have sex all the time and my girlfriend and I have the goal to avoid reproducing. I think you might be doing it wrong.
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