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On June 25 2013 00:00 Big-t wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 23:58 Pholon wrote:On June 24 2013 23:51 theodorus12 wrote:
I'm not talking about banning anything, but there are places where it's ok and such where it's not. This site has always been about esport, esport news etc. Having some admin abusing this site to shove his political views in other peoples faces is just wrong and an insult to anyone who has supported this site in the past.
Stop saying it's a political view when from our end it isn't. We're speaking out about basic human rights. What about my view? What about the principal falsity of gays? You are not supposed to put your P into a B.
Straight people do anal all the time...
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On June 25 2013 00:01 Big-t wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 23:59 Schelim wrote:On June 24 2013 23:36 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:35 namste wrote:On June 24 2013 23:33 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:32 theodorus12 wrote:
That's pretty sad, this is supposed to be a gaming site. Stop shoving your political agenda in peoples faces. This! You will loose so many visitors! Your internet has to be pretty freaking small if you can't visit any site that doesn't discriminate people. I prefer random discrimination over gays... i'd prefer TL warning or banning people for comments like these rather than some of the things than they do warn or ban for, but it's still their site and i know i have to adhere to their rules if i don't wanna get banned again. i suggest you either do the same (->shut up before you embarass yourself and our country any more than you already have) or deal with the consequences. If they warn my for this they are shooting themselves into their own knees. They want freedom, but I can´t say what I think???????
Usually anti-gay people make me feel sad that such people exist, but you're actually pretty amusing. I'm admit I'm impressed you learnt to use a keyboard and a computer successfully.
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On June 25 2013 00:01 Big-t wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 23:59 Schelim wrote:On June 24 2013 23:36 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:35 namste wrote:On June 24 2013 23:33 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:32 theodorus12 wrote:
That's pretty sad, this is supposed to be a gaming site. Stop shoving your political agenda in peoples faces. This! You will loose so many visitors! Your internet has to be pretty freaking small if you can't visit any site that doesn't discriminate people. I prefer random discrimination over gays... i'd prefer TL warning or banning people for comments like these rather than some of the things than they do warn or ban for, but it's still their site and i know i have to adhere to their rules if i don't wanna get banned again. i suggest you either do the same (->shut up before you embarass yourself and our country any more than you already have) or deal with the consequences. If they warn my for this they are shooting themselves into their own knees. They want freedom, but I can´t say what I think???????
it's their site, they can permaban you for absolutely no reason if they want to. not saying they're doing that, but you gotta understand an internet forum is not a democracy. pretty sure the rules state that discrimination of anything or anyone is a warnable/banable offense.
if i can't say i think Axeltoss is a bad caster, you shouldn't be able to say you prefer discrimination over gays.
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On June 25 2013 00:00 Big-t wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 23:58 Pholon wrote:On June 24 2013 23:51 theodorus12 wrote:
I'm not talking about banning anything, but there are places where it's ok and such where it's not. This site has always been about esport, esport news etc. Having some admin abusing this site to shove his political views in other peoples faces is just wrong and an insult to anyone who has supported this site in the past.
Stop saying it's a political view when from our end it isn't. We're speaking out about basic human rights. What about my view? What about the principal falsity of gays? You are not supposed to put your P into a B.
And we have arrived. You have become what we expected. That sounds like a problem for you and no one else. And if rainbows have little to do with "your view".
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On June 25 2013 00:00 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 23:51 theodorus12 wrote:On June 24 2013 23:48 Broodwurst wrote:On June 24 2013 23:44 theodorus12 wrote:On June 24 2013 23:40 renaissanceMAN wrote:On June 24 2013 23:38 theodorus12 wrote:On June 24 2013 23:35 renaissanceMAN wrote:On June 24 2013 23:32 theodorus12 wrote:
That's pretty sad, this is supposed to be a gaming site. Stop shoving your political agenda in peoples faces. how is changing the website's logo "shoving their political agenda in your face?" go crawl back into whatever hole you came out from. Well, putting the gay pride colours at the most viewed place pretty much is shoving it in our faces. And nice personal attack there. what's wrong with a rainbow? the fact that the colors are used by an organization to promote EQUALITY shouldn't mean anything. that's like saying using red white and blue in any instance is calling attention to america, they're colors, get over it. It's very obvious what the colours mean in this context. And like I said, this site is about eSports, not about pushing the political agenda of some people. Discrimination is bad, I accept gays, they should have the same rights etc. but still think that it's disgusting. Especially if they feel the need to always express how different they are etc and the funny thing is most of the "normal gays" agree with that. Ok then let's ban gay parades. While we're at it let's also ban military parades, i hate how they show off. Also carnival...disgusting, everyone getting drunk and wearing stupid outfits. And nerds! OMG those stupid nerds, always talking about computers and video games and shit. BAN THEM ALL I SAY. Everyone should shut up and stay at home. I'm not talking about banning anything, but there are places where it's ok and such where it's not. This site has always been about esport, esport news etc. Having some admin abusing this site to shove his political views in other peoples faces is just wrong and an insult to anyone who has supported this site in the past. Communities and people have the right to express their opinions. The people who run and own that community have a right as well. You have the right to ignore them or express your own. If you want people to stop expression their opinion, they have the right to tell you to go play in traffic.
do us all a favor please
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On June 25 2013 00:01 Big-t wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 23:59 Schelim wrote:On June 24 2013 23:36 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:35 namste wrote:On June 24 2013 23:33 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:32 theodorus12 wrote:
That's pretty sad, this is supposed to be a gaming site. Stop shoving your political agenda in peoples faces. This! You will loose so many visitors! Your internet has to be pretty freaking small if you can't visit any site that doesn't discriminate people. I prefer random discrimination over gays... i'd prefer TL warning or banning people for comments like these rather than some of the things than they do warn or ban for, but it's still their site and i know i have to adhere to their rules if i don't wanna get banned again. i suggest you either do the same (->shut up before you embarass yourself and our country any more than you already have) or deal with the consequences. If they warn my for this they are shooting themselves into their own knees. They want freedom, but I can´t say what I think???????
freedom as long as you don't hurt others, discrimination hurts others being gay and putting a penis into a butt doesnt hurt anyone, well... maybe one person would be hurt.
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On June 25 2013 00:00 Big-t wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 23:58 Pholon wrote:On June 24 2013 23:51 theodorus12 wrote:
I'm not talking about banning anything, but there are places where it's ok and such where it's not. This site has always been about esport, esport news etc. Having some admin abusing this site to shove his political views in other peoples faces is just wrong and an insult to anyone who has supported this site in the past.
Stop saying it's a political view when from our end it isn't. We're speaking out about basic human rights. What about my view? What about the principal falsity of gays? You are not supposed to put your P into a B.
According to whom? That's a fairly common practice among heterosexual couples as well.
Why don't you just go? Nobody will miss you.
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On June 25 2013 00:02 Julmust wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:00 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:58 Pholon wrote:On June 24 2013 23:51 theodorus12 wrote:
I'm not talking about banning anything, but there are places where it's ok and such where it's not. This site has always been about esport, esport news etc. Having some admin abusing this site to shove his political views in other peoples faces is just wrong and an insult to anyone who has supported this site in the past.
Stop saying it's a political view when from our end it isn't. We're speaking out about basic human rights. What about my view? What about the principal falsity of gays? You are not supposed to put your P into a B. Haha ok that last sentence just made me laugh so hard. This is 100% a troll, no one else (over the age of 10) would ever write "you are not supposed to put your p into a b" Well played good sir, well played!
Try taking people serious, even though they sound silly!
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On June 25 2013 00:01 Big-t wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 23:59 Schelim wrote:On June 24 2013 23:36 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:35 namste wrote:On June 24 2013 23:33 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:32 theodorus12 wrote:
That's pretty sad, this is supposed to be a gaming site. Stop shoving your political agenda in peoples faces. This! You will loose so many visitors! Your internet has to be pretty freaking small if you can't visit any site that doesn't discriminate people. I prefer random discrimination over gays... i'd prefer TL warning or banning people for comments like these rather than some of the things than they do warn or ban for, but it's still their site and i know i have to adhere to their rules if i don't wanna get banned again. i suggest you either do the same (->shut up before you embarass yourself and our country any more than you already have) or deal with the consequences. If they warn my for this they are shooting themselves into their own knees. They want freedom, but I can´t say what I think???????
They are letting you say what you think.
We reserve the right as a community to tell you that you are wrong though.
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On June 25 2013 00:01 FetTerBender wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 23:58 shadymmj wrote:
But if you didn't change the logo to reflect gay pride or some crap we wouldn't have to lose anyone in this community who genuinely likes to discuss Starcraft. Which I remind everyone is what we're here for. How on earth homosexuality is related to SC I don't know. No community would ever do something a little bit away from their core meaning. Like football / soccer / sports against racism. Never.
when balotelli gets abused on the pitch for being black and it starts to affect him negatively, then it IS an issue.
when gay sc2 players get abused for being gay, come back to me.
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On June 25 2013 00:02 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 23:58 shadymmj wrote:
But if you didn't change the logo to reflect gay pride or some crap we wouldn't have to lose anyone in this community who genuinely likes to discuss Starcraft. Which I remind everyone is what we're here for. How on earth homosexuality is related to SC I don't know. Next we'll have Rorschach pictures instead of the logo to see which bad TLers we have to weed out.
Immediately thought of a Rorschach-themed page. Like the Watchmen character replaces the horse. Now I'm excited :D
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On June 25 2013 00:01 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 23:51 theodorus12 wrote:On June 24 2013 23:48 Broodwurst wrote:On June 24 2013 23:44 theodorus12 wrote:On June 24 2013 23:40 renaissanceMAN wrote:On June 24 2013 23:38 theodorus12 wrote:On June 24 2013 23:35 renaissanceMAN wrote:On June 24 2013 23:32 theodorus12 wrote:
That's pretty sad, this is supposed to be a gaming site. Stop shoving your political agenda in peoples faces. how is changing the website's logo "shoving their political agenda in your face?" go crawl back into whatever hole you came out from. Well, putting the gay pride colours at the most viewed place pretty much is shoving it in our faces. And nice personal attack there. what's wrong with a rainbow? the fact that the colors are used by an organization to promote EQUALITY shouldn't mean anything. that's like saying using red white and blue in any instance is calling attention to america, they're colors, get over it. It's very obvious what the colours mean in this context. And like I said, this site is about eSports, not about pushing the political agenda of some people. Discrimination is bad, I accept gays, they should have the same rights etc. but still think that it's disgusting. Especially if they feel the need to always express how different they are etc and the funny thing is most of the "normal gays" agree with that. Ok then let's ban gay parades. While we're at it let's also ban military parades, i hate how they show off. Also carnival...disgusting, everyone getting drunk and wearing stupid outfits. And nerds! OMG those stupid nerds, always talking about computers and video games and shit. BAN THEM ALL I SAY. Everyone should shut up and stay at home. I'm not talking about banning anything, but there are places where it's ok and such where it's not. This site has always been about esport, esport news etc. Having some admin abusing this site to shove his political views in other peoples faces is just wrong and an insult to anyone who has supported this site in the past. Hate to break it to you but teamliquid as a website, as an institution and as a brand has always been strongly in favour of equal rights for homosexuals. This logo is no more pro gay than the normal one.
But fighting for equality with a banner that offends some people doesn't seem right though. Even if you think they are wrong, and are the ones discriminating others.
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On June 25 2013 00:00 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 23:43 Liquid`Drone wrote:On June 24 2013 23:40 r.Evo wrote:On June 24 2013 23:24 Liquid`Drone wrote:On June 24 2013 23:14 Big-t wrote:
I love rainbows, but I hope that´s not the beginning of a pro-gay-TL....
It's not the beginning of a pro-gay-TL. Because TL has been pro-gay since it's conception. It is absolutely going to stay pro-gay though, and this is out way of vocalizing this. The reason why gay pride is the first social issue that made us funk up our banner, is that gay pride is the single social issue with the least amount of internal disagreement. Gays not being treated equally, everywhere, isn't really an anachronism, because there's no historical period where this inequality feels "correct", but it is still one of the most important issues of our time and age, and the internet is crucial for the enlightenment of people through the world. The basis of treating everyone equally to me is to... just treat them equally. The need to go out and tell the world how much you're supporting everyone equally is on a much, much lower level than TL just doing it over all those years. We have enough of people proclaiming their politically correct views posting flags and colors on Facebook and Twitter. Being pro-anything means that you kick the very thing that should be the basis for equality in the balls. Equally. PS: Maybe I'm wrong here, but I never perceived TL to be "pro-gay". For me TL is anti-discriminatory. Anti-stupid. Without paying attention to the color of one's skin or one's sexual orientation - which is what makes this place great. In the event where someone are discriminated against in many ways, some positive discrimination is the only way to achieve equality. besides, we have a plain, straight-maned horse in our banner 51 out of 52 weeks through the year. I'm proud of TL just straight up banning people for sexist, racist or anti-gay remarks. That's how you fight for equal rights. I would be just as sad about this if it would be TL officially supporting a black-pride/jewish-pride/takewhateveryouwant-pride month. We're better than doing what dozens of people who show "support" by posting an image or yelling a couple of phrases are doing. We're not missing flags and "signs of supports", we're missing action. People stepping in when someone gets mocked on the streets and in schools. Not people who look away and afterwards call it a tragedy because that's the "correct thing to do". To me TL used to be a frontier of actions over words for all this time. I want to see a blog with pics of R1CH and Mora partying somewhere and having fun. I want to read a story of Rekrul punching someone in the face because he insulted his best gay buddy. And then I want to post a big huge LOL WELL DONE under those blogs because those are things to be happy for and proud about. ...just not a flag with the intent of "proclaiming our support". =/
Haha yeah, because banning and or physically assaulting everyone who says something you don't like sure is the way to go.
If this site is so pro freedom you also have to accept people saying things you don't agree with.
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For anyone saying this is unnecessary, just take a look at how many people are getting upset over 'TL pushing a political agenda'. So much ignorance.
Good move by TL.
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On June 25 2013 00:04 ilmeeni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:00 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:58 Pholon wrote:On June 24 2013 23:51 theodorus12 wrote:
I'm not talking about banning anything, but there are places where it's ok and such where it's not. This site has always been about esport, esport news etc. Having some admin abusing this site to shove his political views in other peoples faces is just wrong and an insult to anyone who has supported this site in the past.
Stop saying it's a political view when from our end it isn't. We're speaking out about basic human rights. What about my view? What about the principal falsity of gays? You are not supposed to put your P into a B. According to whom? That's a fairly common practice among heterosexual couples as well. Why don't you just go? Nobody will miss you.
BUT I WILL MISS YOU GUYS! Why is no one understanding me -_________________________-
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On June 25 2013 00:01 Big-t wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 23:59 Schelim wrote:On June 24 2013 23:36 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:35 namste wrote:On June 24 2013 23:33 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:32 theodorus12 wrote:
That's pretty sad, this is supposed to be a gaming site. Stop shoving your political agenda in peoples faces. This! You will loose so many visitors! Your internet has to be pretty freaking small if you can't visit any site that doesn't discriminate people. I prefer random discrimination over gays... i'd prefer TL warning or banning people for comments like these rather than some of the things than they do warn or ban for, but it's still their site and i know i have to adhere to their rules if i don't wanna get banned again. i suggest you either do the same (->shut up before you embarass yourself and our country any more than you already have) or deal with the consequences. If they warn my for this they are shooting themselves into their own knees. They want freedom, but I can´t say what I think???????
You can and everyone who disagrees can tell you exactly what they think of your opinion and then decided if they want to listen to you any more. What did you expect, that you could say whatever you wanted and we would just be forced to listen and accept it?
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On June 25 2013 00:00 Big-t wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 23:58 Pholon wrote:On June 24 2013 23:51 theodorus12 wrote:
I'm not talking about banning anything, but there are places where it's ok and such where it's not. This site has always been about esport, esport news etc. Having some admin abusing this site to shove his political views in other peoples faces is just wrong and an insult to anyone who has supported this site in the past.
Stop saying it's a political view when from our end it isn't. We're speaking out about basic human rights. What about my view? What about the principal falsity of gays? You are not supposed to put your P into a B.
You can't be fucking serious.
You're also "not supposed to" use your H on your P, but I have a feeling you did that before.
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On June 25 2013 00:05 theodorus12 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:00 r.Evo wrote:On June 24 2013 23:43 Liquid`Drone wrote:On June 24 2013 23:40 r.Evo wrote:On June 24 2013 23:24 Liquid`Drone wrote:On June 24 2013 23:14 Big-t wrote:
I love rainbows, but I hope that´s not the beginning of a pro-gay-TL....
It's not the beginning of a pro-gay-TL. Because TL has been pro-gay since it's conception. It is absolutely going to stay pro-gay though, and this is out way of vocalizing this. The reason why gay pride is the first social issue that made us funk up our banner, is that gay pride is the single social issue with the least amount of internal disagreement. Gays not being treated equally, everywhere, isn't really an anachronism, because there's no historical period where this inequality feels "correct", but it is still one of the most important issues of our time and age, and the internet is crucial for the enlightenment of people through the world. The basis of treating everyone equally to me is to... just treat them equally. The need to go out and tell the world how much you're supporting everyone equally is on a much, much lower level than TL just doing it over all those years. We have enough of people proclaiming their politically correct views posting flags and colors on Facebook and Twitter. Being pro-anything means that you kick the very thing that should be the basis for equality in the balls. Equally. PS: Maybe I'm wrong here, but I never perceived TL to be "pro-gay". For me TL is anti-discriminatory. Anti-stupid. Without paying attention to the color of one's skin or one's sexual orientation - which is what makes this place great. In the event where someone are discriminated against in many ways, some positive discrimination is the only way to achieve equality. besides, we have a plain, straight-maned horse in our banner 51 out of 52 weeks through the year. I'm proud of TL just straight up banning people for sexist, racist or anti-gay remarks. That's how you fight for equal rights. I would be just as sad about this if it would be TL officially supporting a black-pride/jewish-pride/takewhateveryouwant-pride month. We're better than doing what dozens of people who show "support" by posting an image or yelling a couple of phrases are doing. We're not missing flags and "signs of supports", we're missing action. People stepping in when someone gets mocked on the streets and in schools. Not people who look away and afterwards call it a tragedy because that's the "correct thing to do". To me TL used to be a frontier of actions over words for all this time. I want to see a blog with pics of R1CH and Mora partying somewhere and having fun. I want to read a story of Rekrul punching someone in the face because he insulted his best gay buddy. And then I want to post a big huge LOL WELL DONE under those blogs because those are things to be happy for and proud about. ...just not a flag with the intent of "proclaiming our support". =/ Haha yeah, because banning and or physically assaulting everyone who says something you don't like sure is the way to go. If this site is so pro freedom you also have to accept people saying things you don't agree with.
well we're all putting up with your moronic statements now aren't we?
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On June 25 2013 00:05 shadymmj wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:01 FetTerBender wrote:On June 24 2013 23:58 shadymmj wrote:
But if you didn't change the logo to reflect gay pride or some crap we wouldn't have to lose anyone in this community who genuinely likes to discuss Starcraft. Which I remind everyone is what we're here for. How on earth homosexuality is related to SC I don't know. No community would ever do something a little bit away from their core meaning. Like football / soccer / sports against racism. Never. when balotelli gets abused on the pitch for being black and it starts to affect him negatively, then it IS an issue. when gay sc2 players get abused for being gay, come back to me.
Scarlett gets verbally abused and harassed for being a transwoman, and if we had gay starcraft players who were open about it, you can bet that they'd be harassed aswell. The fact that teamliquid can't even change their banner for a week without bigots emerging from the woodwork to decry it shows how much work is yet to be done with respect to LGBTQ rights.
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On June 25 2013 00:04 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:01 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:59 Schelim wrote:On June 24 2013 23:36 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:35 namste wrote:On June 24 2013 23:33 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:32 theodorus12 wrote:
That's pretty sad, this is supposed to be a gaming site. Stop shoving your political agenda in peoples faces. This! You will loose so many visitors! Your internet has to be pretty freaking small if you can't visit any site that doesn't discriminate people. I prefer random discrimination over gays... i'd prefer TL warning or banning people for comments like these rather than some of the things than they do warn or ban for, but it's still their site and i know i have to adhere to their rules if i don't wanna get banned again. i suggest you either do the same (->shut up before you embarass yourself and our country any more than you already have) or deal with the consequences. If they warn my for this they are shooting themselves into their own knees. They want freedom, but I can´t say what I think??????? it's their site, they can permaban you for absolutely no reason if they want to. not saying they're doing that, but you gotta understand an internet forum is not a democracy. pretty sure the rules state that discrimination of anything or anyone is a warnable/banable offense. if i can't say i think Axeltoss is a bad caster, you shouldn't be able to say you prefer discrimination over gays.
I know they could ban me forever if they want, just saying it would a shot into their knees.
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