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On May 03 2013 07:06 FrankWalls wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 07:03 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:58 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 06:57 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:55 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 06:53 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:50 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 06:46 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:42 Jojo131 wrote:On May 03 2013 06:38 Thieving Magpie wrote:
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Absolutely not. This whole debate is not telling women how to act. How you act in front of them is your call--but don't police how they act themselves. "Its your call how you want to behave in front of girls" "By the way, dont tell girls how to behave, thats not your call"...? Fuck it, I'm getting something to eat. Yes... girls behave how they want boys behave how they want that's how it works. then doesnt this make your argument kind of moot? My argument is that you don't tell women how to act. You don't tell them to take off their shirt You don't tell them to have babies with you You don't tell them how to act or be You don't tell them how they act is immoral just because its not something you agree with Why? because they should be allowed to do the things they want to do without being attacked for it. "boys behave how they want" what if they want to tell them to take their shirt off? or is that the exception because well, uhhh, you say so Telling her to take her shirt off is telling her what to do. If she wants to take her shirt off--she will. It's not your call. that still contradicts what you said though. cause that's obviously what all these people want to do is to tell her to take her shirt off. doesnt this go against you're assertion that boys should behave how they want? Boys can want to see tits--but whether the shirt comes off or not is not their call. They can still want to see her shirt come off--but forcing her to do it is awful. but they arent forcing her to. they're just telling her to
If all they say over and over again is show me your tits--then the interaction doesn't progress without her showing tits. She is being socially coerced into it and hates to be put in that position.
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On May 03 2013 07:09 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 07:06 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 07:03 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:58 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 06:57 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:55 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 06:53 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:50 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 06:46 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:42 Jojo131 wrote:
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"Its your call how you want to behave in front of girls"
"By the way, dont tell girls how to behave, thats not your call"...?
Fuck it, I'm getting something to eat. Yes... girls behave how they want boys behave how they want that's how it works. then doesnt this make your argument kind of moot? My argument is that you don't tell women how to act. You don't tell them to take off their shirt You don't tell them to have babies with you You don't tell them how to act or be You don't tell them how they act is immoral just because its not something you agree with Why? because they should be allowed to do the things they want to do without being attacked for it. "boys behave how they want" what if they want to tell them to take their shirt off? or is that the exception because well, uhhh, you say so Telling her to take her shirt off is telling her what to do. If she wants to take her shirt off--she will. It's not your call. that still contradicts what you said though. cause that's obviously what all these people want to do is to tell her to take her shirt off. doesnt this go against you're assertion that boys should behave how they want? Boys can want to see tits--but whether the shirt comes off or not is not their call. They can still want to see her shirt come off--but forcing her to do it is awful. but they arent forcing her to. they're just telling her to If all they say over and over again is show me your tits--then the interaction doesn't progress without her showing tits. She is being socially coerced into it and hates to be put in that position.
but that's still not forcing her to do it, and they're just expressing their desire to "behave how they want"
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On May 03 2013 07:08 Morken wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 06:58 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:55 Morken wrote:On May 03 2013 06:53 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:50 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 06:46 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:42 Jojo131 wrote:On May 03 2013 06:38 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:36 Morken wrote:On May 03 2013 06:28 Thieving Magpie wrote:
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??
I don't know how this is relevant.
Any group or person trying to police how another group or person should act is wrong. Period. Yet this whole debate is about telling people how to act infront of women. lol Absolutely not. This whole debate is not telling women how to act. How you act in front of them is your call--but don't police how they act themselves. "Its your call how you want to behave in front of girls" "By the way, dont tell girls how to behave, thats not your call"...? Fuck it, I'm getting something to eat. Yes... girls behave how they want boys behave how they want that's how it works. then doesnt this make your argument kind of moot? My argument is that you don't tell women how to act. You don't tell them to take off their shirt You don't tell them to have babies with you You don't tell them how to act or be You don't tell them how they act is immoral just because its not something you agree with Why? because they should be allowed to do the things they want to do without being attacked for it. So again: You tell us that one doesn't tell another one what to do? Again for the record, I dont care at all for this gender crap, I just want you to tell your argument is highly paradox. There is no paradox. You have control of your actions, you don't have control of theirs. You don't tell them how they act, because they have control of their actions much as you have control of yours. Oh for the mother of... If there are 5 coins on a table and I tell you that you can take anyone of them, but you can not take the 2 on the right, than this is a damn contradiction. Again, again, again: I dont care about gender, I dont care about your telling women what to do or not, I dont care what women, they can wear green buckets in their heads, they can dance naked on the street, they can sell their bodies for money if they want -- I.... dont.... care! I am a philologist (not english mind you) and all I care for, is that your statement is contradictory. Period.
We're not talking about coins we're talking about people's rights.
You as a person, have rights. She, as a person, has rights. You don't attack her rights, she doesn't attack yours. There is no contradiction in that.
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On May 03 2013 07:10 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 07:08 Morken wrote:On May 03 2013 06:58 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:55 Morken wrote:On May 03 2013 06:53 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:50 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 06:46 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:42 Jojo131 wrote:On May 03 2013 06:38 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:36 Morken wrote:
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Yet this whole debate is about telling people how to act infront of women. lol Absolutely not. This whole debate is not telling women how to act. How you act in front of them is your call--but don't police how they act themselves. "Its your call how you want to behave in front of girls" "By the way, dont tell girls how to behave, thats not your call"...? Fuck it, I'm getting something to eat. Yes... girls behave how they want boys behave how they want that's how it works. then doesnt this make your argument kind of moot? My argument is that you don't tell women how to act. You don't tell them to take off their shirt You don't tell them to have babies with you You don't tell them how to act or be You don't tell them how they act is immoral just because its not something you agree with Why? because they should be allowed to do the things they want to do without being attacked for it. So again: You tell us that one doesn't tell another one what to do? Again for the record, I dont care at all for this gender crap, I just want you to tell your argument is highly paradox. There is no paradox. You have control of your actions, you don't have control of theirs. You don't tell them how they act, because they have control of their actions much as you have control of yours. Oh for the mother of... If there are 5 coins on a table and I tell you that you can take anyone of them, but you can not take the 2 on the right, than this is a damn contradiction. Again, again, again: I dont care about gender, I dont care about your telling women what to do or not, I dont care what women, they can wear green buckets in their heads, they can dance naked on the street, they can sell their bodies for money if they want -- I.... dont.... care! I am a philologist (not english mind you) and all I care for, is that your statement is contradictory. Period. We're not talking about coins we're talking about people's rights.
Are you freaking kidding me?
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On May 03 2013 07:10 FrankWalls wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 07:09 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 07:06 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 07:03 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:58 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 06:57 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:55 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 06:53 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:50 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 06:46 Thieving Magpie wrote:
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Yes...
girls behave how they want
boys behave how they want
that's how it works.
then doesnt this make your argument kind of moot? My argument is that you don't tell women how to act. You don't tell them to take off their shirt You don't tell them to have babies with you You don't tell them how to act or be You don't tell them how they act is immoral just because its not something you agree with Why? because they should be allowed to do the things they want to do without being attacked for it. "boys behave how they want" what if they want to tell them to take their shirt off? or is that the exception because well, uhhh, you say so Telling her to take her shirt off is telling her what to do. If she wants to take her shirt off--she will. It's not your call. that still contradicts what you said though. cause that's obviously what all these people want to do is to tell her to take her shirt off. doesnt this go against you're assertion that boys should behave how they want? Boys can want to see tits--but whether the shirt comes off or not is not their call. They can still want to see her shirt come off--but forcing her to do it is awful. but they arent forcing her to. they're just telling her to If all they say over and over again is show me your tits--then the interaction doesn't progress without her showing tits. She is being socially coerced into it and hates to be put in that position. but that's still not forcing her to do it, and they're just expressing their desire to "behave how they want"
No, they're telling her to behave how they want her to behave much like a torturer is merely asking questions.
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On May 03 2013 07:06 Mente wrote:
This sort of treatment didn't just happen to her once she started becoming a professional gaming journalist.
As one of her friends, I've seen her get treated pretty harshly by guys throughout her time on the internet just cause she has consistently shown an avid interest in video games and to a certain extent comics/star wars.
I think the point we should all take from this is not that "oh the internet will act how it will act", but instead, "why do we need to act that way?"
If you think about it in terms of efficiency or biological fitness, what does saying those sort of things accomplish for you? You just look like a douchebag to some, and to others a neckbeard forever alone nerd and to the rest just an internet troll. The comments are unnecessary and just perpetuate bad behavior and bad stereotypes.
I think that's all it really comes down to.
Also I'm shocked that her article went from tumblr to kotaku to reddit to here. Pretty cool. Must be a subject of interest if it's spreading as rapidly as it is.
Most people flame on the internet because it provides an outlet for whatever repressed issues they have (stress, sexual frustrations, superiority complexes). Calling them douchbags and neckbeards is showing about as much sympathy for them as they're showing for whoever it is they're flaming.
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On May 03 2013 07:11 Morken wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 07:10 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 07:08 Morken wrote:On May 03 2013 06:58 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:55 Morken wrote:On May 03 2013 06:53 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:50 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 06:46 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:42 Jojo131 wrote:On May 03 2013 06:38 Thieving Magpie wrote:
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Absolutely not. This whole debate is not telling women how to act. How you act in front of them is your call--but don't police how they act themselves. "Its your call how you want to behave in front of girls" "By the way, dont tell girls how to behave, thats not your call"...? Fuck it, I'm getting something to eat. Yes... girls behave how they want boys behave how they want that's how it works. then doesnt this make your argument kind of moot? My argument is that you don't tell women how to act. You don't tell them to take off their shirt You don't tell them to have babies with you You don't tell them how to act or be You don't tell them how they act is immoral just because its not something you agree with Why? because they should be allowed to do the things they want to do without being attacked for it. So again: You tell us that one doesn't tell another one what to do? Again for the record, I dont care at all for this gender crap, I just want you to tell your argument is highly paradox. There is no paradox. You have control of your actions, you don't have control of theirs. You don't tell them how they act, because they have control of their actions much as you have control of yours. Oh for the mother of... If there are 5 coins on a table and I tell you that you can take anyone of them, but you can not take the 2 on the right, than this is a damn contradiction. Again, again, again: I dont care about gender, I dont care about your telling women what to do or not, I dont care what women, they can wear green buckets in their heads, they can dance naked on the street, they can sell their bodies for money if they want -- I.... dont.... care! I am a philologist (not english mind you) and all I care for, is that your statement is contradictory. Period. We're not talking about coins we're talking about people's rights. Are you freaking kidding me?
You are talking about coins on a table being picked up. I am talking about how people interact with each other. You equate talking to girls with grabbing coins.
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On May 03 2013 07:11 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 07:10 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 07:09 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 07:06 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 07:03 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:58 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 06:57 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:55 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 06:53 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:50 FrankWalls wrote:
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then doesnt this make your argument kind of moot? My argument is that you don't tell women how to act. You don't tell them to take off their shirt You don't tell them to have babies with you You don't tell them how to act or be You don't tell them how they act is immoral just because its not something you agree with Why? because they should be allowed to do the things they want to do without being attacked for it. "boys behave how they want" what if they want to tell them to take their shirt off? or is that the exception because well, uhhh, you say so Telling her to take her shirt off is telling her what to do. If she wants to take her shirt off--she will. It's not your call. that still contradicts what you said though. cause that's obviously what all these people want to do is to tell her to take her shirt off. doesnt this go against you're assertion that boys should behave how they want? Boys can want to see tits--but whether the shirt comes off or not is not their call. They can still want to see her shirt come off--but forcing her to do it is awful. but they arent forcing her to. they're just telling her to If all they say over and over again is show me your tits--then the interaction doesn't progress without her showing tits. She is being socially coerced into it and hates to be put in that position. but that's still not forcing her to do it, and they're just expressing their desire to "behave how they want" No, they're telling her to behave how they want her to behave much like a torturer is merely asking questions.
hahahahahahaha what the fuck, and you still havent really explained why these boys can't behave how they want (which goes against your doctrine, according to you), since they arent forcing anyone to do anything
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Once again, I have to applaud your patience here magpie. You have calmly, patiently, and gently refuted everyone here who has made some sort of fundamental logic error.
I do however wonder where the line for free speech actually falls. I'm fairly certain that even here, you are violating your own idea of what free speech should allow by trying to convince someone else that their idea is wrong.
If it is wrong to push the idea that a girl should behave a certain way, then it is certainly wrong to push the idea that people should adopt ideologies and act a certain way.
To clarify, if it violates a woman's right to free speech to tell her not to push her ideologies, then it certainly violates the right to free speech of the misogynists when she tells them not to push their ideologies.
I don't think either side is fundamentally protected by the law or their rights here, there will have to be some other solution.
Obviously I do concede that the amount of harshness with which ideologies are presented is not in line with what I would consider moral or just, but it obviously is in line with the misogynistic ideology or they wouldn't be doing it.
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On May 03 2013 07:13 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 07:11 Morken wrote:On May 03 2013 07:10 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 07:08 Morken wrote:On May 03 2013 06:58 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:55 Morken wrote:On May 03 2013 06:53 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:50 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 06:46 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:42 Jojo131 wrote:
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"Its your call how you want to behave in front of girls"
"By the way, dont tell girls how to behave, thats not your call"...?
Fuck it, I'm getting something to eat. Yes... girls behave how they want boys behave how they want that's how it works. then doesnt this make your argument kind of moot? My argument is that you don't tell women how to act. You don't tell them to take off their shirt You don't tell them to have babies with you You don't tell them how to act or be You don't tell them how they act is immoral just because its not something you agree with Why? because they should be allowed to do the things they want to do without being attacked for it. So again: You tell us that one doesn't tell another one what to do? Again for the record, I dont care at all for this gender crap, I just want you to tell your argument is highly paradox. There is no paradox. You have control of your actions, you don't have control of theirs. You don't tell them how they act, because they have control of their actions much as you have control of yours. Oh for the mother of... If there are 5 coins on a table and I tell you that you can take anyone of them, but you can not take the 2 on the right, than this is a damn contradiction. Again, again, again: I dont care about gender, I dont care about your telling women what to do or not, I dont care what women, they can wear green buckets in their heads, they can dance naked on the street, they can sell their bodies for money if they want -- I.... dont.... care! I am a philologist (not english mind you) and all I care for, is that your statement is contradictory. Period. We're not talking about coins we're talking about people's rights. Are you freaking kidding me? You are talking about coins on a table being picked up. I am talking about how people interact with each other. You equate talking to girls with grabbing coins.
Wow, just wow. Your ability to twist and warp peoples words into what you want to see is amazing.
Also, a torturer has the threat of force behind them, not the case with random people over the internet.
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On May 03 2013 07:11 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 07:10 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 07:09 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 07:06 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 07:03 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:58 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 06:57 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:55 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 06:53 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:50 FrankWalls wrote:
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then doesnt this make your argument kind of moot? My argument is that you don't tell women how to act. You don't tell them to take off their shirt You don't tell them to have babies with you You don't tell them how to act or be You don't tell them how they act is immoral just because its not something you agree with Why? because they should be allowed to do the things they want to do without being attacked for it. "boys behave how they want" what if they want to tell them to take their shirt off? or is that the exception because well, uhhh, you say so Telling her to take her shirt off is telling her what to do. If she wants to take her shirt off--she will. It's not your call. that still contradicts what you said though. cause that's obviously what all these people want to do is to tell her to take her shirt off. doesnt this go against you're assertion that boys should behave how they want? Boys can want to see tits--but whether the shirt comes off or not is not their call. They can still want to see her shirt come off--but forcing her to do it is awful. but they arent forcing her to. they're just telling her to If all they say over and over again is show me your tits--then the interaction doesn't progress without her showing tits. She is being socially coerced into it and hates to be put in that position. but that's still not forcing her to do it, and they're just expressing their desire to "behave how they want" No, they're telling her to behave how they want her to behave much like a torturer is merely asking questions.
We're not talking about a torturer asking questions, we're talking about people's rights!!!
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On May 03 2013 07:12 Jojo131 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 07:06 Mente wrote:
This sort of treatment didn't just happen to her once she started becoming a professional gaming journalist.
As one of her friends, I've seen her get treated pretty harshly by guys throughout her time on the internet just cause she has consistently shown an avid interest in video games and to a certain extent comics/star wars.
I think the point we should all take from this is not that "oh the internet will act how it will act", but instead, "why do we need to act that way?"
If you think about it in terms of efficiency or biological fitness, what does saying those sort of things accomplish for you? You just look like a douchebag to some, and to others a neckbeard forever alone nerd and to the rest just an internet troll. The comments are unnecessary and just perpetuate bad behavior and bad stereotypes.
I think that's all it really comes down to.
Also I'm shocked that her article went from tumblr to kotaku to reddit to here. Pretty cool. Must be a subject of interest if it's spreading as rapidly as it is. Most people flame on the internet because it provides an outlet for whatever repressed issues they have (stress, sexual frustrations, superiority complexes). Calling them douchbags and neckbeards is showing about as much sympathy for them as they're showing for whoever it is they're flaming.
ie--people within the community are sexists and most likely racists. calling them out on it is bringing the discussion to the forefront to try to resolve it.
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On May 03 2013 07:12 Jojo131 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 07:06 Mente wrote:
This sort of treatment didn't just happen to her once she started becoming a professional gaming journalist.
As one of her friends, I've seen her get treated pretty harshly by guys throughout her time on the internet just cause she has consistently shown an avid interest in video games and to a certain extent comics/star wars.
I think the point we should all take from this is not that "oh the internet will act how it will act", but instead, "why do we need to act that way?"
If you think about it in terms of efficiency or biological fitness, what does saying those sort of things accomplish for you? You just look like a douchebag to some, and to others a neckbeard forever alone nerd and to the rest just an internet troll. The comments are unnecessary and just perpetuate bad behavior and bad stereotypes.
I think that's all it really comes down to.
Also I'm shocked that her article went from tumblr to kotaku to reddit to here. Pretty cool. Must be a subject of interest if it's spreading as rapidly as it is. Most people flame on the internet because it provides an outlet for whatever repressed issues they have (stress, sexual frustrations, superiority complexes). Calling them douchbags and neckbeards is showing about as much sympathy for them as they're showing for whoever it is they're flaming.
Like I said, it perpetuates bad behavior and bad stereotypes.
You certainly don't want to advocate that sort of behavior, best course of action is to ignore it when they do do it then bring it to the forefront like we are.
Things should be taught on how to avoid using someone else to flame or as your outlet of hate because you have internal struggles. I think that's what it comes down to.
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On May 03 2013 07:14 FrankWalls wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 07:11 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 07:10 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 07:09 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 07:06 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 07:03 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:58 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 06:57 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:55 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 06:53 Thieving Magpie wrote:
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My argument is that you don't tell women how to act.
You don't tell them to take off their shirt
You don't tell them to have babies with you
You don't tell them how to act or be
You don't tell them how they act is immoral just because its not something you agree with
Why? because they should be allowed to do the things they want to do without being attacked for it.
"boys behave how they want" what if they want to tell them to take their shirt off? or is that the exception because well, uhhh, you say so Telling her to take her shirt off is telling her what to do. If she wants to take her shirt off--she will. It's not your call. that still contradicts what you said though. cause that's obviously what all these people want to do is to tell her to take her shirt off. doesnt this go against you're assertion that boys should behave how they want? Boys can want to see tits--but whether the shirt comes off or not is not their call. They can still want to see her shirt come off--but forcing her to do it is awful. but they arent forcing her to. they're just telling her to If all they say over and over again is show me your tits--then the interaction doesn't progress without her showing tits. She is being socially coerced into it and hates to be put in that position. but that's still not forcing her to do it, and they're just expressing their desire to "behave how they want" No, they're telling her to behave how they want her to behave much like a torturer is merely asking questions. hahahahahahaha what the fuck, and you still havent really explained why these boys can't behave how they want (which goes against your doctrine, according to you), since they arent forcing anyone to do anything
Boys can still behave how they want. They just can't dictate how girls should behave. You can't spend your time telling people what to do and be surprised when someone tells you that you can't tell them what to do.
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On May 03 2013 07:13 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 07:11 Morken wrote:On May 03 2013 07:10 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 07:08 Morken wrote:On May 03 2013 06:58 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:55 Morken wrote:On May 03 2013 06:53 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:50 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 06:46 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:42 Jojo131 wrote:
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"Its your call how you want to behave in front of girls"
"By the way, dont tell girls how to behave, thats not your call"...?
Fuck it, I'm getting something to eat. Yes... girls behave how they want boys behave how they want that's how it works. then doesnt this make your argument kind of moot? My argument is that you don't tell women how to act. You don't tell them to take off their shirt You don't tell them to have babies with you You don't tell them how to act or be You don't tell them how they act is immoral just because its not something you agree with Why? because they should be allowed to do the things they want to do without being attacked for it. So again: You tell us that one doesn't tell another one what to do? Again for the record, I dont care at all for this gender crap, I just want you to tell your argument is highly paradox. There is no paradox. You have control of your actions, you don't have control of theirs. You don't tell them how they act, because they have control of their actions much as you have control of yours. Oh for the mother of... If there are 5 coins on a table and I tell you that you can take anyone of them, but you can not take the 2 on the right, than this is a damn contradiction. Again, again, again: I dont care about gender, I dont care about your telling women what to do or not, I dont care what women, they can wear green buckets in their heads, they can dance naked on the street, they can sell their bodies for money if they want -- I.... dont.... care! I am a philologist (not english mind you) and all I care for, is that your statement is contradictory. Period. We're not talking about coins we're talking about people's rights. Are you freaking kidding me? You are talking about coins on a table being picked up. I am talking about how people interact with each other. You equate talking to girls with grabbing coins.
Since you obviously didn't bother to read what I wrote: again, for the third time:
I just wanted to point out that the sentence you used to make your argument is contradictory. The sentence with the coins was an example for a contradiction. Do I have to explain what an example is? No? Good.
"Don't tell others what to do." This is a contradiction, since you yourself tell someone what to do.
This is all I wanted to say the whole time. Read this post and put it out of context with this sexism stuff (if your able to do so that is). It is only about this sentence, nothing more.
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On May 03 2013 07:15 Shebuha wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 07:11 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 07:10 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 07:09 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 07:06 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 07:03 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:58 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 06:57 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:55 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 06:53 Thieving Magpie wrote:
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My argument is that you don't tell women how to act.
You don't tell them to take off their shirt
You don't tell them to have babies with you
You don't tell them how to act or be
You don't tell them how they act is immoral just because its not something you agree with
Why? because they should be allowed to do the things they want to do without being attacked for it.
"boys behave how they want" what if they want to tell them to take their shirt off? or is that the exception because well, uhhh, you say so Telling her to take her shirt off is telling her what to do. If she wants to take her shirt off--she will. It's not your call. that still contradicts what you said though. cause that's obviously what all these people want to do is to tell her to take her shirt off. doesnt this go against you're assertion that boys should behave how they want? Boys can want to see tits--but whether the shirt comes off or not is not their call. They can still want to see her shirt come off--but forcing her to do it is awful. but they arent forcing her to. they're just telling her to If all they say over and over again is show me your tits--then the interaction doesn't progress without her showing tits. She is being socially coerced into it and hates to be put in that position. but that's still not forcing her to do it, and they're just expressing their desire to "behave how they want" No, they're telling her to behave how they want her to behave much like a torturer is merely asking questions. We're not talking about a torturer asking questions, we're talking about people's rights!!!
Actually, we are talking about torture. From the OP itself, we have someone trying to become a journalist for a passion she loves and all people do is tell her to strip ignoring both content and issues and simply telling her they want to fuck her, jizz on her, make babies, etc...
She is being stopped from being able to do what she wants because the gaming community is dictating to her how she should be acting instead.
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On May 03 2013 07:17 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 07:14 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 07:11 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 07:10 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 07:09 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 07:06 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 07:03 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:58 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 06:57 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:55 FrankWalls wrote:
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"boys behave how they want"
what if they want to tell them to take their shirt off? or is that the exception because well, uhhh, you say so Telling her to take her shirt off is telling her what to do. If she wants to take her shirt off--she will. It's not your call. that still contradicts what you said though. cause that's obviously what all these people want to do is to tell her to take her shirt off. doesnt this go against you're assertion that boys should behave how they want? Boys can want to see tits--but whether the shirt comes off or not is not their call. They can still want to see her shirt come off--but forcing her to do it is awful. but they arent forcing her to. they're just telling her to If all they say over and over again is show me your tits--then the interaction doesn't progress without her showing tits. She is being socially coerced into it and hates to be put in that position. but that's still not forcing her to do it, and they're just expressing their desire to "behave how they want" No, they're telling her to behave how they want her to behave much like a torturer is merely asking questions. hahahahahahaha what the fuck, and you still havent really explained why these boys can't behave how they want (which goes against your doctrine, according to you), since they arent forcing anyone to do anything Boys can still behave how they want. They just can't dictate how girls should behave. You can't spend your time telling people what to do and be surprised when someone tells you that you can't tell them what to do.
oh so they can only behave how they want as long as they align with your own morals. and i wouldnt really call it "dictating" cause that implies that these youtube trolls have some sort of authoritative power over her. which, really, is entirely up to her
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On May 03 2013 07:19 Morken wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 07:13 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 07:11 Morken wrote:On May 03 2013 07:10 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 07:08 Morken wrote:On May 03 2013 06:58 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:55 Morken wrote:On May 03 2013 06:53 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:50 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 06:46 Thieving Magpie wrote:
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Yes...
girls behave how they want
boys behave how they want
that's how it works.
then doesnt this make your argument kind of moot? My argument is that you don't tell women how to act. You don't tell them to take off their shirt You don't tell them to have babies with you You don't tell them how to act or be You don't tell them how they act is immoral just because its not something you agree with Why? because they should be allowed to do the things they want to do without being attacked for it. So again: You tell us that one doesn't tell another one what to do? Again for the record, I dont care at all for this gender crap, I just want you to tell your argument is highly paradox. There is no paradox. You have control of your actions, you don't have control of theirs. You don't tell them how they act, because they have control of their actions much as you have control of yours. Oh for the mother of... If there are 5 coins on a table and I tell you that you can take anyone of them, but you can not take the 2 on the right, than this is a damn contradiction. Again, again, again: I dont care about gender, I dont care about your telling women what to do or not, I dont care what women, they can wear green buckets in their heads, they can dance naked on the street, they can sell their bodies for money if they want -- I.... dont.... care! I am a philologist (not english mind you) and all I care for, is that your statement is contradictory. Period. We're not talking about coins we're talking about people's rights. Are you freaking kidding me? You are talking about coins on a table being picked up. I am talking about how people interact with each other. You equate talking to girls with grabbing coins. Since you obviously didn't bother to read what I wrote: again, for the third time: I just wanted to point out that the sentence you used to make your argument is contradictory. The sentence with the coins was an example for a contradiction. Do I have to explain what an example is? No? Good. "Don't tell others what to do." This is a contradiction, since you yourself tell someone what to do. This is all I wanted to say the whole time. Read this post and put it out of context with this sexism stuff (if your able to do so that is). It is only about this sentence, nothing more.
"Don't tell others what to do" is not a contradiction, it is a setting of rules and boundaries. It is stated to inform the group of the freedoms inherent within each person and the protection of those freedoms within the context of human interaction. If you are unable to understand english--then maybe you should try a different mode of discussion.
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On May 03 2013 07:21 FrankWalls wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 07:17 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 07:14 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 07:11 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 07:10 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 07:09 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 07:06 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 07:03 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:58 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 06:57 Thieving Magpie wrote:
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Telling her to take her shirt off is telling her what to do. If she wants to take her shirt off--she will. It's not your call. that still contradicts what you said though. cause that's obviously what all these people want to do is to tell her to take her shirt off. doesnt this go against you're assertion that boys should behave how they want? Boys can want to see tits--but whether the shirt comes off or not is not their call. They can still want to see her shirt come off--but forcing her to do it is awful. but they arent forcing her to. they're just telling her to If all they say over and over again is show me your tits--then the interaction doesn't progress without her showing tits. She is being socially coerced into it and hates to be put in that position. but that's still not forcing her to do it, and they're just expressing their desire to "behave how they want" No, they're telling her to behave how they want her to behave much like a torturer is merely asking questions. hahahahahahaha what the fuck, and you still havent really explained why these boys can't behave how they want (which goes against your doctrine, according to you), since they arent forcing anyone to do anything Boys can still behave how they want. They just can't dictate how girls should behave. You can't spend your time telling people what to do and be surprised when someone tells you that you can't tell them what to do. oh so they can only behave how they want as long as they align with your own morals. and i wouldnt really call it "dictating" cause that implies that these youtube trolls have some sort of authoritative power over her. which, really, is entirely up to her
They can still want to see tits. That moral goal is still allowed. They could even talk to the girl about how much they love seeing tits. But telling her to show tits is different.
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On May 03 2013 07:22 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 07:21 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 07:17 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 07:14 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 07:11 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 07:10 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 07:09 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 07:06 FrankWalls wrote:On May 03 2013 07:03 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 06:58 FrankWalls wrote:
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that still contradicts what you said though. cause that's obviously what all these people want to do is to tell her to take her shirt off. doesnt this go against you're assertion that boys should behave how they want? Boys can want to see tits--but whether the shirt comes off or not is not their call. They can still want to see her shirt come off--but forcing her to do it is awful. but they arent forcing her to. they're just telling her to If all they say over and over again is show me your tits--then the interaction doesn't progress without her showing tits. She is being socially coerced into it and hates to be put in that position. but that's still not forcing her to do it, and they're just expressing their desire to "behave how they want" No, they're telling her to behave how they want her to behave much like a torturer is merely asking questions. hahahahahahaha what the fuck, and you still havent really explained why these boys can't behave how they want (which goes against your doctrine, according to you), since they arent forcing anyone to do anything Boys can still behave how they want. They just can't dictate how girls should behave. You can't spend your time telling people what to do and be surprised when someone tells you that you can't tell them what to do. oh so they can only behave how they want as long as they align with your own morals. and i wouldnt really call it "dictating" cause that implies that these youtube trolls have some sort of authoritative power over her. which, really, is entirely up to her They can still want to see tits. That moral goal is still allowed. They could even talk to the girl about how much they love seeing tits. But telling her to show tits is different.
in what way?
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