On June 19 2006 11:42 YoiChiBow wrote: if u believe in the bible... u wont go to heaven if u suicide
*sigh* I promise I really wouldn't incite religious debate if I could help it. I just hate it when people claim the Bible says something that it doesn't. Indulge me.
Suicide is the murder of the self, and therefore is identified as a sin. However, believers are forgiven for all sins, are therefore saved, and therefore go to heaven. Romans 4: 7, Mark 16:16, 1 Corinthians 1:8, Acts 16:31, Romans 10:10, Acts 15:11, Romans 10: 9, Acts 26:18, Mark 3:28, 1 Corinthians 15:2, etc. etc. etc.
John 10:27 You cannot be snatched out of the hand of God once you are in it
Revelation 3:5 One your name is written in the book of life it will never be blotted out
Judges 16 Samson uses his suicide as atonement and to wipe out enemies of God Samson is found recorded in Heb. 11:32 with the faithful, meaning he, for example, went to heaven.
You always told me that I was the one that made Sharon take her life, in fact you said I killed her, but you know down deep in your heart it was you that made her do what she did, and now you have two deaths to your credit, it should make you feel very proud.
Good By Kid
P.S. Disregard all the mean things I've said in this letter, I have said a lot of things to you I didn't really mean and I hope you get well and wish you the best of everything.
Right, like you could really "forget all the mean things." Man, that would haunt you forever. I feel so much for these poor tortured people, and even more for those they left behind.
Please don't talk about something you don't understand.
The basest mortal sin is utter loss of hope. To get to heaven, you have to accept God. And to accept him, you certainly can't have no faith that he exists. Suicide isn't just murdering yourself. Otherwise, it could be forgiven (like a murder could be). If you believe that God created the universe and you, what are you doing when you kill yourself? Why shouldn't you let God decide when your time has come? Why don't you stay alive and do good works? Why don't you spread the word of God? Why don't you try to get closer to God?
It's because you've lost all faith that there is God. If you kill yourself, you're acting in a way which demonstrates your complete disbelief in God. You're not unsure about it, or in some sort of turmoil. You're just blaspheming God in the absolute worst way, physically proclaiming that he's not real.
On June 19 2006 11:42 YoiChiBow wrote: if u believe in the bible... u wont go to heaven if u suicide
*sigh* I promise I really wouldn't incite religious debate if I could help it. I just hate it when people claim the Bible says something that it doesn't. Indulge me.
Suicide is the murder of the self, and therefore is identified as a sin. However, believers are forgiven for all sins, are therefore saved, and therefore go to heaven. Romans 4: 7, Mark 16:16, 1 Corinthians 1:8, Acts 16:31, Romans 10:10, Acts 15:11, Romans 10: 9, Acts 26:18, Mark 3:28, 1 Corinthians 15:2, etc. etc. etc.
John 10:27 You cannot be snatched out of the hand of God once you are in it
Revelation 3:5 One your name is written in the book of life it will never be blotted out
Judges 16 Samson uses his suicide as atonement and to wipe out enemies of God Samson is found recorded in Heb. 11:32 with the faithful, meaning he, for example, went to heaven.
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Anyways, back on topic, can you imagine?
You always told me that I was the one that made Sharon take her life, in fact you said I killed her, but you know down deep in your heart it was you that made her do what she did, and now you have two deaths to your credit, it should make you feel very proud.
Good By Kid
P.S. Disregard all the mean things I've said in this letter, I have said a lot of things to you I didn't really mean and I hope you get well and wish you the best of everything.
Right, like you could really "forget all the mean things." Man, that would haunt you forever. I feel so much for these poor tortured people, and even more for those they left behind.
Please don't talk about something you don't understand.
The basest mortal sin is utter loss of hope. To get to heaven, you have to accept God. And to accept him, you certainly can't have no faith that he exists. Suicide isn't just murdering yourself. Otherwise, it could be forgiven (like a murder could be). If you believe that God created the universe and you, what are you doing when you kill yourself? Why shouldn't you let God decide when your time has come? Why don't you stay alive and do good works? Why don't you spread the word of God? Why don't you try to get closer to God?
It's because you've lost all faith that there is God. If you kill yourself, you're acting in a way which demonstrates your complete disbelief in God. You're not unsure about it, or in some sort of turmoil. You're just blaspheming God in the absolute worst way, physically proclaiming that he's not real.
or you could always believe in God so much that u wanna meet him ASAP. when will religious ppl stop telling others what they do and dont understand. stfu.
Please don't talk about something you don't understand.
The basest mortal sin is utter loss of hope. To get to heaven, you have to accept God. And to accept him, you certainly can't have no faith that he exists. Suicide isn't just murdering yourself. Otherwise, it could be forgiven (like a murder could be). If you believe that God created the universe and you, what are you doing when you kill yourself? Why shouldn't you let God decide when your time has come? Why don't you stay alive and do good works? Why don't you spread the word of God? Why don't you try to get closer to God?
It's because you've lost all faith that there is God. If you kill yourself, you're acting in a way which demonstrates your complete disbelief in God. You're not unsure about it, or in some sort of turmoil. You're just blaspheming God in the absolute worst way, physically proclaiming that he's not real.
What the hell are you talking about? If you commit suicide you become reincarnated as a lemming (Ironic, I know).
On June 19 2006 07:45 KrAzYfoOL wrote: sounds like you've thought about it quite a bit...
Yeah, I think everyone owes it to themselves to consider suicide. Most people don't even know why they are living. At least get to the point where you have visualized how you will carry out your own death since psychiatrists will consider that a significant step in the authenticity of your contemplation of suicide. Then once you have that scenario in your mind, you can begin to think about reasons for living. If you can find no reason or purpose to your life, but you find your life painful, then you should consider the idea that life might not be for you. Maybe you don't find meaning, but you don't consider life to be painful, then you might think "Well I have no reason to live but I have no reason to die. I'm living at the moment so I'll just carry that out."
Yea this whole "life" deal isnt really workingo ut for me, ima go try something else.
On June 19 2006 07:45 KrAzYfoOL wrote: sounds like you've thought about it quite a bit...
Yeah, I think everyone owes it to themselves to consider suicide. Most people don't even know why they are living. At least get to the point where you have visualized how you will carry out your own death since psychiatrists will consider that a significant step in the authenticity of your contemplation of suicide. Then once you have that scenario in your mind, you can begin to think about reasons for living. If you can find no reason or purpose to your life, but you find your life painful, then you should consider the idea that life might not be for you. Maybe you don't find meaning, but you don't consider life to be painful, then you might think "Well I have no reason to live but I have no reason to die. I'm living at the moment so I'll just carry that out."
Periodically I will recall and consider suicide in order to restore the meaning in my life when I have lost it, so that I can bring meaning to the forefront of my actions. It is just the same as anyone who is doing an activity and thinks "maybe I should quit". Most of you reading this have quit BW. Did it lose meaning to you? Were there several times during your career that you contemplated if it was worth it anymore? It's very easy for meaning to be lost, and it can be very difficult to find it again.
To say that suicide is simply a failure to address problems is missing the point. That is just considering whether or not life is happiness. Most people have generally happy lives and have no reason to question the meaning of it all. But some unfortunate people have unhappy lives and that provokes them to ask the simple question - why? When they find no meaning, they have no will to become happy. But perhaps they do find meaning but are engulfed by so much pain that they cannot handle it. They fail, as you are quick to say. Is that so dishonorable? Does it deserve mockery and condescension? They were literally struggling for their lives and they could not succeed. Nobody is fit to judge them for what they were able or not able to do.
“If God were suddenly condemned to live the life which He has inflicted upon men, He would kill Himself.” - Dumas
Anyway, about suicide leading to Christian Hell, I don't buy it. Everyone sins and the act of suicide is just one sin among many. Access to heaven is dependent on something else.
thank you, thank you for opening my eyes. as i have no purpose to live i shall go try something else, hopefuly in the afterlife there is a purpose to our existance after all
On June 19 2006 07:45 KrAzYfoOL wrote: sounds like you've thought about it quite a bit...
Yeah, I think everyone owes it to themselves to consider suicide. Most people don't even know why they are living. At least get to the point where you have visualized how you will carry out your own death since psychiatrists will consider that a significant step in the authenticity of your contemplation of suicide. Then once you have that scenario in your mind, you can begin to think about reasons for living. If you can find no reason or purpose to your life, but you find your life painful, then you should consider the idea that life might not be for you. Maybe you don't find meaning, but you don't consider life to be painful, then you might think "Well I have no reason to live but I have no reason to die. I'm living at the moment so I'll just carry that out."
Yea this whole "life" deal isnt really workingo ut for me, ima go try something else.
That's not what he said. He basically said it's not bad to think about suicide and imagine what would happen if you did it. It's always good to imagine scenarios before they happen. It gives you a different and more well thought out outlook on life.
On June 19 2006 07:45 KrAzYfoOL wrote: sounds like you've thought about it quite a bit...
Yeah, I think everyone owes it to themselves to consider suicide. Most people don't even know why they are living. At least get to the point where you have visualized how you will carry out your own death since psychiatrists will consider that a significant step in the authenticity of your contemplation of suicide. Then once you have that scenario in your mind, you can begin to think about reasons for living. If you can find no reason or purpose to your life, but you find your life painful, then you should consider the idea that life might not be for you. Maybe you don't find meaning, but you don't consider life to be painful, then you might think "Well I have no reason to live but I have no reason to die. I'm living at the moment so I'll just carry that out."
Yea this whole "life" deal isnt really workingo ut for me, ima go try something else.
On June 19 2006 07:45 KrAzYfoOL wrote: sounds like you've thought about it quite a bit...
Yeah, I think everyone owes it to themselves to consider suicide. Most people don't even know why they are living. At least get to the point where you have visualized how you will carry out your own death since psychiatrists will consider that a significant step in the authenticity of your contemplation of suicide. Then once you have that scenario in your mind, you can begin to think about reasons for living. If you can find no reason or purpose to your life, but you find your life painful, then you should consider the idea that life might not be for you. Maybe you don't find meaning, but you don't consider life to be painful, then you might think "Well I have no reason to live but I have no reason to die. I'm living at the moment so I'll just carry that out."
Yea this whole "life" deal isnt really workingo ut for me, ima go try something else.
That's not what he said. He basically said it's not bad to think about suicide and imagine what would happen if you did it. It's always good to imagine scenarios before they happen. It gives you a different and more well thought out outlook on life.
I agree that it seems those were his intentions, but Nony's post really seems to justify suicide. He talks about how visualizing it helps him give himself purpose, etc. but in explaining himself he really did justify suicide.
I guess it's up to Nony to post again and clarify his thoughts, but obviously, based on his comments he has far more liberal and accepting views on suicide than most people probably do. There's nothing wrong with that.
I can't get over the idea of being defeated by life though. It seems so pathetic, I just can't justify it to myself outside of euthanasia and suicide based on sickness, etc.
imo, point of views of suicide is similar to politics, sex or religion. It doesn't matter the arguments, 2 different people would never agree about it. It's about beleifs. For me it sum it up that one can't find a way on it's own to continue on existing, it's just unbearable for oneself and needs to find a way to finish it. I personally don't beleive that that exit is a failure but a tragedy for usually there are ways to prevent it if taken enough time. Suicide parents screw pretty bad their sons :S
On June 19 2006 06:36 emoBW4LIFE wrote: PvZ is just too hard... i can't win no mater what i try.
I can't take it any more. Good Bye
any1 find this 1 wierd?
I think everyone just ignored it and decided to post more serious on topic posts.
It makes me sad to think about how both young and old people just want to kill themselves instead of live. It is pitiful that they can't find anything to live for but sometimes I wonder what's in store if I keep on living anyway...is it any better than dying?
On June 19 2006 07:45 KrAzYfoOL wrote: sounds like you've thought about it quite a bit...
Yeah, I think everyone owes it to themselves to consider suicide. Most people don't even know why they are living. At least get to the point where you have visualized how you will carry out your own death since psychiatrists will consider that a significant step in the authenticity of your contemplation of suicide. Then once you have that scenario in your mind, you can begin to think about reasons for living. If you can find no reason or purpose to your life, but you find your life painful, then you should consider the idea that life might not be for you. Maybe you don't find meaning, but you don't consider life to be painful, then you might think "Well I have no reason to live but I have no reason to die. I'm living at the moment so I'll just carry that out."
Yea this whole "life" deal isnt really workingo ut for me, ima go try something else.
That's not what he said. He basically said it's not bad to think about suicide and imagine what would happen if you did it. It's always good to imagine scenarios before they happen. It gives you a different and more well thought out outlook on life.
Ahhh yes i see that now, thanks for your clarification.
On June 19 2006 11:42 YoiChiBow wrote: if u believe in the bible... u wont go to heaven if u suicide
*sigh* I promise I really wouldn't incite religious debate if I could help it. I just hate it when people claim the Bible says something that it doesn't. Indulge me.
Suicide is the murder of the self, and therefore is identified as a sin. However, believers are forgiven for all sins, are therefore saved, and therefore go to heaven. Romans 4: 7, Mark 16:16, 1 Corinthians 1:8, Acts 16:31, Romans 10:10, Acts 15:11, Romans 10: 9, Acts 26:18, Mark 3:28, 1 Corinthians 15:2, etc. etc. etc.
John 10:27 You cannot be snatched out of the hand of God once you are in it
Revelation 3:5 One your name is written in the book of life it will never be blotted out
Judges 16 Samson uses his suicide as atonement and to wipe out enemies of God Samson is found recorded in Heb. 11:32 with the faithful, meaning he, for example, went to heaven.
~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~
Anyways, back on topic, can you imagine?
You always told me that I was the one that made Sharon take her life, in fact you said I killed her, but you know down deep in your heart it was you that made her do what she did, and now you have two deaths to your credit, it should make you feel very proud.
Good By Kid
P.S. Disregard all the mean things I've said in this letter, I have said a lot of things to you I didn't really mean and I hope you get well and wish you the best of everything.
Right, like you could really "forget all the mean things." Man, that would haunt you forever. I feel so much for these poor tortured people, and even more for those they left behind.
Please don't talk about something you don't understand.
The basest mortal sin is utter loss of hope. To get to heaven, you have to accept God. And to accept him, you certainly can't have no faith that he exists. Suicide isn't just murdering yourself. Otherwise, it could be forgiven (like a murder could be). If you believe that God created the universe and you, what are you doing when you kill yourself? Why shouldn't you let God decide when your time has come? Why don't you stay alive and do good works? Why don't you spread the word of God? Why don't you try to get closer to God?
It's because you've lost all faith that there is God. If you kill yourself, you're acting in a way which demonstrates your complete disbelief in God. You're not unsure about it, or in some sort of turmoil. You're just blaspheming God in the absolute worst way, physically proclaiming that he's not real.
When you die, can you save the replay and see what you did wrong? I bet Donald Trump has gosu resource- and buildings stats. Not that good units though, considering the "you're fired stuff"...
why is suicide such a taboo? its their life and its their god damn choice to live or die.
And they are not being egoist for killing themselves retards, so they are suppoused to go on with their lives even if they choose not to only to spare their relatives some tears -_- retarded hipocrits really think before you post.
EPT
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