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On August 03 2013 05:37 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 05:35 fugs wrote:On August 03 2013 05:34 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:32 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:30 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:30 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:27 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:22 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:18 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:14 RaspberrySC2 wrote:
It's pretty busted that trans people have to consider themselves to be rapists in the eyes of others until they are told that they are not. Yeah, asking people if they wanna have sex with you before you have sex with them must suck. Intentional and mean-spirited twisting. In my experience, people ask me and I say "yes" if I want to, not the other way around. But in your's and other people's eyes, that makes me a rapist. There's nothing to say to that other than to call it busted. If you think their assumptions are leading them to consent when they would not otherwise do so and you know their assumptions are false, 100% rapist. I think almost everyone would agree. 100% Double standard. No, universal moral standard. No. Systemic oppression. Reinforced by bigotry and prejudice wearing the mask of moral standard. Not raping = oppression. Must suck to be a minority and not get given a free moral card to do whatever the fuck you want. Fuck off. I have nothing against trans people. I just really like consent. You're accusing us of rape what'd you expect, a high five? Well stop raping people and I won't call you a rapist. Jesus. It's not hard. A bunch of trans people in here all agree that they tell people for exactly the described reasons.
I haven't raped anyone. If I recall correctly they're the ones that put their dick inside of me.
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On August 03 2013 05:34 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 05:33 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:31 packrat386 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:30 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:27 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:22 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:18 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:14 RaspberrySC2 wrote:
It's pretty busted that trans people have to consider themselves to be rapists in the eyes of others until they are told that they are not. Yeah, asking people if they wanna have sex with you before you have sex with them must suck. Intentional and mean-spirited twisting. In my experience, people ask me and I say "yes" if I want to, not the other way around. But in your's and other people's eyes, that makes me a rapist. There's nothing to say to that other than to call it busted. If you think their assumptions are leading them to consent when they would not otherwise do so and you know their assumptions are false, 100% rapist. I think almost everyone would agree. 100% Double standard. please explain why you think its a double standard? if you deceive someone in order to get a "yes" then its probably rape. It's not deception. *I* don't do anything except exist. Who and what I am is not about anyone else but me. So, if you withholding information that you have reason to believe would make them change their mind, that is fine?
"Withholding information" here is to tell someone that I am transsexual, yes? It's none of their business. I am not actively deceiving anyone and I think that the problem with most people here is that they assume that transsexuals are inherently deceitful.
Who I am and what I am has never been about anyone but myself. When it is understood that I am just existing and that all of these expectations and responsibilities being heaped upon me by other people who are living in fear of me when I mean them no harm, but I am expected to go that extra mile to coddle them by nature of existing is truly understood, then this wouldn't be an issue.
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On August 03 2013 05:40 fugs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 05:37 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:35 fugs wrote:On August 03 2013 05:34 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:32 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:30 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:30 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:27 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:22 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:18 KwarK wrote:
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Yeah, asking people if they wanna have sex with you before you have sex with them must suck. Intentional and mean-spirited twisting. In my experience, people ask me and I say "yes" if I want to, not the other way around. But in your's and other people's eyes, that makes me a rapist. There's nothing to say to that other than to call it busted. If you think their assumptions are leading them to consent when they would not otherwise do so and you know their assumptions are false, 100% rapist. I think almost everyone would agree. 100% Double standard. No, universal moral standard. No. Systemic oppression. Reinforced by bigotry and prejudice wearing the mask of moral standard. Not raping = oppression. Must suck to be a minority and not get given a free moral card to do whatever the fuck you want. Fuck off. I have nothing against trans people. I just really like consent. You're accusing us of rape what'd you expect, a high five? Well stop raping people and I won't call you a rapist. Jesus. It's not hard. A bunch of trans people in here all agree that they tell people for exactly the described reasons. I haven't raped anyone. If I recall correctly they're the ones that put their dick inside of me.
And this thread has gone trully amazing places at this point. Mark the date and time folks.
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On August 03 2013 05:40 fugs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 05:37 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:35 fugs wrote:On August 03 2013 05:34 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:32 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:30 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:30 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:27 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:22 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:18 KwarK wrote:
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Yeah, asking people if they wanna have sex with you before you have sex with them must suck. Intentional and mean-spirited twisting. In my experience, people ask me and I say "yes" if I want to, not the other way around. But in your's and other people's eyes, that makes me a rapist. There's nothing to say to that other than to call it busted. If you think their assumptions are leading them to consent when they would not otherwise do so and you know their assumptions are false, 100% rapist. I think almost everyone would agree. 100% Double standard. No, universal moral standard. No. Systemic oppression. Reinforced by bigotry and prejudice wearing the mask of moral standard. Not raping = oppression. Must suck to be a minority and not get given a free moral card to do whatever the fuck you want. Fuck off. I have nothing against trans people. I just really like consent. You're accusing us of rape what'd you expect, a high five? Well stop raping people and I won't call you a rapist. Jesus. It's not hard. A bunch of trans people in here all agree that they tell people for exactly the described reasons. I haven't raped anyone. If I recall correctly they're the ones that put their dick inside of me.
Just because you aren't doing the penetrating doesn't mean its not rape. jeez, I would have expected transgender people to be more knowledgeable than that.
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On August 03 2013 05:41 RaspberrySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 05:34 Plansix wrote:On August 03 2013 05:33 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:31 packrat386 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:30 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:27 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:22 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:18 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:14 RaspberrySC2 wrote:
It's pretty busted that trans people have to consider themselves to be rapists in the eyes of others until they are told that they are not. Yeah, asking people if they wanna have sex with you before you have sex with them must suck. Intentional and mean-spirited twisting. In my experience, people ask me and I say "yes" if I want to, not the other way around. But in your's and other people's eyes, that makes me a rapist. There's nothing to say to that other than to call it busted. If you think their assumptions are leading them to consent when they would not otherwise do so and you know their assumptions are false, 100% rapist. I think almost everyone would agree. 100% Double standard. please explain why you think its a double standard? if you deceive someone in order to get a "yes" then its probably rape. It's not deception. *I* don't do anything except exist. Who and what I am is not about anyone else but me. So, if you withholding information that you have reason to believe would make them change their mind, that is fine? "Withholding information" here is to tell someone that I am transsexual, yes? It's none of their business. I am not actively deceiving anyone and I think that the problem with most people here is that they assume that transsexuals are inherently deceitful. Who I am and what I am has never been about anyone but myself. When it is understood that I am just existing and that all of these expectations and responsibilities being heaped upon me by other people who are living in fear of me when I mean them no harm, but I am expected to go that extra mile to coddle them by nature of existing is truly understood, then this wouldn't be an issue.
And if you have good reason to believe providing them with that information would cause them to change their mind about sleeping with you, its ok for you to withhold it?
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On August 03 2013 05:42 packrat386 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 05:40 fugs wrote:On August 03 2013 05:37 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:35 fugs wrote:On August 03 2013 05:34 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:32 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:30 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:30 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:27 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:22 RaspberrySC2 wrote:
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Intentional and mean-spirited twisting. In my experience, people ask me and I say "yes" if I want to, not the other way around. But in your's and other people's eyes, that makes me a rapist. There's nothing to say to that other than to call it busted. If you think their assumptions are leading them to consent when they would not otherwise do so and you know their assumptions are false, 100% rapist. I think almost everyone would agree. 100% Double standard. No, universal moral standard. No. Systemic oppression. Reinforced by bigotry and prejudice wearing the mask of moral standard. Not raping = oppression. Must suck to be a minority and not get given a free moral card to do whatever the fuck you want. Fuck off. I have nothing against trans people. I just really like consent. You're accusing us of rape what'd you expect, a high five? Well stop raping people and I won't call you a rapist. Jesus. It's not hard. A bunch of trans people in here all agree that they tell people for exactly the described reasons. I haven't raped anyone. If I recall correctly they're the ones that put their dick inside of me. Just because you aren't doing the penetrating doesn't mean its not rape. jeez, I would have expected transgender people to be more knowledgeable than that.
Since when is it my job to make sure guys think with more than their dicks? You have a problem with me being trans then fucking bring it up before asking if you want to fuck me.
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On August 03 2013 05:40 fugs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 05:37 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:35 fugs wrote:On August 03 2013 05:34 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:32 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:30 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:30 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:27 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:22 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:18 KwarK wrote:
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Yeah, asking people if they wanna have sex with you before you have sex with them must suck. Intentional and mean-spirited twisting. In my experience, people ask me and I say "yes" if I want to, not the other way around. But in your's and other people's eyes, that makes me a rapist. There's nothing to say to that other than to call it busted. If you think their assumptions are leading them to consent when they would not otherwise do so and you know their assumptions are false, 100% rapist. I think almost everyone would agree. 100% Double standard. No, universal moral standard. No. Systemic oppression. Reinforced by bigotry and prejudice wearing the mask of moral standard. Not raping = oppression. Must suck to be a minority and not get given a free moral card to do whatever the fuck you want. Fuck off. I have nothing against trans people. I just really like consent. You're accusing us of rape what'd you expect, a high five? Well stop raping people and I won't call you a rapist. Jesus. It's not hard. A bunch of trans people in here all agree that they tell people for exactly the described reasons. I haven't raped anyone. If I recall correctly they're the ones that put their dick inside of me.
Because only women can be raped. Nice...
You should return your moral compass to the store you got it from, you sicken me.
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On August 03 2013 05:31 packrat386 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 05:30 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:27 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:22 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:18 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:14 RaspberrySC2 wrote:
It's pretty busted that trans people have to consider themselves to be rapists in the eyes of others until they are told that they are not. Yeah, asking people if they wanna have sex with you before you have sex with them must suck. Intentional and mean-spirited twisting. In my experience, people ask me and I say "yes" if I want to, not the other way around. But in your's and other people's eyes, that makes me a rapist. There's nothing to say to that other than to call it busted. If you think their assumptions are leading them to consent when they would not otherwise do so and you know their assumptions are false, 100% rapist. I think almost everyone would agree. 100% Double standard. please explain why you think its a double standard? if you deceive someone in order to get a "yes" then its probably rape.
I think Raspberry would argue that it's a double standard because in a situation where a transphobic person and a trans person have sex he would consider the trans person a rapist for not disclosing her trans status, but would not consider the transphobic person a rapist, even though presumably the trans person would not have wanted to have sex with him if she knew he was transphobic. Neither one disclosed their personal information that would have prevented the other from sleeping with them, but Kwark believes only one of them is a rapist.
Edit: Wow I need to type faster 0.0 That escalated quickly.
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On August 03 2013 05:36 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 05:34 jinorazi wrote:
In the context of your guys' argument, i think scammer fits better than rapist, unless term rapist is attached because of the topic which is sex It's not legally rape because such a law would be unenforcable but morally speaking there is a universal standard under which if you know someone is consenting due to an assumption you know to be false you do not take advantage of their ignorance because you know their consent is not informed consent and that if it was then they would not consent. You tell the person. It's rape.
Ever fucked a virgin?
By your reasoning here any virgin's partner who is not also a virgin who does not inform that virgin of any potential emotional problems they are going to have after the fact is being rapey.
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On August 03 2013 05:43 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 05:41 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:34 Plansix wrote:On August 03 2013 05:33 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:31 packrat386 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:30 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:27 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:22 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:18 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:14 RaspberrySC2 wrote:
It's pretty busted that trans people have to consider themselves to be rapists in the eyes of others until they are told that they are not. Yeah, asking people if they wanna have sex with you before you have sex with them must suck. Intentional and mean-spirited twisting. In my experience, people ask me and I say "yes" if I want to, not the other way around. But in your's and other people's eyes, that makes me a rapist. There's nothing to say to that other than to call it busted. If you think their assumptions are leading them to consent when they would not otherwise do so and you know their assumptions are false, 100% rapist. I think almost everyone would agree. 100% Double standard. please explain why you think its a double standard? if you deceive someone in order to get a "yes" then its probably rape. It's not deception. *I* don't do anything except exist. Who and what I am is not about anyone else but me. So, if you withholding information that you have reason to believe would make them change their mind, that is fine? "Withholding information" here is to tell someone that I am transsexual, yes? It's none of their business. I am not actively deceiving anyone and I think that the problem with most people here is that they assume that transsexuals are inherently deceitful. Who I am and what I am has never been about anyone but myself. When it is understood that I am just existing and that all of these expectations and responsibilities being heaped upon me by other people who are living in fear of me when I mean them no harm, but I am expected to go that extra mile to coddle them by nature of existing is truly understood, then this wouldn't be an issue. And if you have good reason to believe providing them with that information would cause them to change their mind about sleeping with you, its ok for you to withhold it?
I don't assume the worst in people. My life is happier that way.
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On August 03 2013 05:44 fugs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 05:42 packrat386 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:40 fugs wrote:On August 03 2013 05:37 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:35 fugs wrote:On August 03 2013 05:34 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:32 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:30 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:30 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:27 KwarK wrote:
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If you think their assumptions are leading them to consent when they would not otherwise do so and you know their assumptions are false, 100% rapist. I think almost everyone would agree. 100% Double standard. No, universal moral standard. No. Systemic oppression. Reinforced by bigotry and prejudice wearing the mask of moral standard. Not raping = oppression. Must suck to be a minority and not get given a free moral card to do whatever the fuck you want. Fuck off. I have nothing against trans people. I just really like consent. You're accusing us of rape what'd you expect, a high five? Well stop raping people and I won't call you a rapist. Jesus. It's not hard. A bunch of trans people in here all agree that they tell people for exactly the described reasons. I haven't raped anyone. If I recall correctly they're the ones that put their dick inside of me. Just because you aren't doing the penetrating doesn't mean its not rape. jeez, I would have expected transgender people to be more knowledgeable than that. Since when is it my job to make sure guys think with more than their dicks? You have a problem with me being trans then fucking bring it up before asking if you want to fuck me.
This imply people know you're trans. So you've to tell them.
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I would stronlgy advise all trans people to stop reading and posting in this thread. There's no reason to discuss this now.
When a fucking mod is calling people rapists and making personal attacks, twisting the words of others, misrepresenting banned people's opinions and supporting attacks on others fuck that.
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On August 03 2013 05:45 Mercy13 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 05:31 packrat386 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:30 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:27 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:22 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:18 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:14 RaspberrySC2 wrote:
It's pretty busted that trans people have to consider themselves to be rapists in the eyes of others until they are told that they are not. Yeah, asking people if they wanna have sex with you before you have sex with them must suck. Intentional and mean-spirited twisting. In my experience, people ask me and I say "yes" if I want to, not the other way around. But in your's and other people's eyes, that makes me a rapist. There's nothing to say to that other than to call it busted. If you think their assumptions are leading them to consent when they would not otherwise do so and you know their assumptions are false, 100% rapist. I think almost everyone would agree. 100% Double standard. please explain why you think its a double standard? if you deceive someone in order to get a "yes" then its probably rape. I think Raspberry would argue that it's a double standard because in a situation where a transphobic person and a trans person have sex he would consider the trans person a rapist for not disclosing her trans status, but would not consider the transphobic person a rapist, even though presumably the trans person would not have wanted to have sex with him if she knew he was transphobic. Neither one disclosed their personal information that would have prevented the other from sleeping with them, but Kwark believes only one of them is a rapist.
If the transphobic person has reasons to believe their partner wouldnt have sex with them if they knew, then he/she is being just as immoral and rapey. I dont think anyone would argue differently.
Be cautious of the word 'transphobic' however. Some people would argue that everyone who doesnt want to sleep with them is transphobic. Which is ridiculous.
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On August 03 2013 05:44 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 05:40 fugs wrote:On August 03 2013 05:37 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:35 fugs wrote:On August 03 2013 05:34 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:32 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:30 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:30 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:27 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:22 RaspberrySC2 wrote:
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Intentional and mean-spirited twisting. In my experience, people ask me and I say "yes" if I want to, not the other way around. But in your's and other people's eyes, that makes me a rapist. There's nothing to say to that other than to call it busted. If you think their assumptions are leading them to consent when they would not otherwise do so and you know their assumptions are false, 100% rapist. I think almost everyone would agree. 100% Double standard. No, universal moral standard. No. Systemic oppression. Reinforced by bigotry and prejudice wearing the mask of moral standard. Not raping = oppression. Must suck to be a minority and not get given a free moral card to do whatever the fuck you want. Fuck off. I have nothing against trans people. I just really like consent. You're accusing us of rape what'd you expect, a high five? Well stop raping people and I won't call you a rapist. Jesus. It's not hard. A bunch of trans people in here all agree that they tell people for exactly the described reasons. I haven't raped anyone. If I recall correctly they're the ones that put their dick inside of me. Because only women can be raped. Nice... You should return your moral compass to the store you got it from, you sicken me.
Oh I'd hate to sicken yet another individual, it's not like the world is full of you people. Stop fucking around and grow up. You definitely don't sound tolerant of trans people since you keep yelling rape. Maybe you should take a look at your own damned moral compass, it's not our job to cater to you. It's not our responsibility to guide your penis around the bar.
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On August 03 2013 05:41 RaspberrySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 05:34 Plansix wrote:On August 03 2013 05:33 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:31 packrat386 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:30 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:27 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:22 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:18 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:14 RaspberrySC2 wrote:
It's pretty busted that trans people have to consider themselves to be rapists in the eyes of others until they are told that they are not. Yeah, asking people if they wanna have sex with you before you have sex with them must suck. Intentional and mean-spirited twisting. In my experience, people ask me and I say "yes" if I want to, not the other way around. But in your's and other people's eyes, that makes me a rapist. There's nothing to say to that other than to call it busted. If you think their assumptions are leading them to consent when they would not otherwise do so and you know their assumptions are false, 100% rapist. I think almost everyone would agree. 100% Double standard. please explain why you think its a double standard? if you deceive someone in order to get a "yes" then its probably rape. It's not deception. *I* don't do anything except exist. Who and what I am is not about anyone else but me. So, if you withholding information that you have reason to believe would make them change their mind, that is fine? "Withholding information" here is to tell someone that I am transsexual, yes? It's none of their business. I am not actively deceiving anyone and I think that the problem with most people here is that they assume that transsexuals are inherently deceitful.
It's none of their business right up until the point where they're choosing to consent based on the assumption that you are cis at which point it becomes very much their business.
How are you not getting this? A significant number of the trans posters in this topic are making me really quite angry and sickened. It's been a string of "well if I didn't rape people life would be harder for me, what am I meant to do, have my life be hard?" "well I knew they had their criteria for sex but I thought their criteria were dumb so I decided for them", "fuck those guys", "well even if they think it's a big deal I don't think it's a big deal so I decided for them". THESE ARE ABHORRENT AND REALLY, REALLY RAPEY ARGUMENTS. Hell, I've actually become more transphobic from talking to trans people. Get your shit together.
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On August 03 2013 05:47 RaspberrySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 05:43 Plansix wrote:On August 03 2013 05:41 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:34 Plansix wrote:On August 03 2013 05:33 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:31 packrat386 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:30 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:27 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:22 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:18 KwarK wrote:
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Yeah, asking people if they wanna have sex with you before you have sex with them must suck. Intentional and mean-spirited twisting. In my experience, people ask me and I say "yes" if I want to, not the other way around. But in your's and other people's eyes, that makes me a rapist. There's nothing to say to that other than to call it busted. If you think their assumptions are leading them to consent when they would not otherwise do so and you know their assumptions are false, 100% rapist. I think almost everyone would agree. 100% Double standard. please explain why you think its a double standard? if you deceive someone in order to get a "yes" then its probably rape. It's not deception. *I* don't do anything except exist. Who and what I am is not about anyone else but me. So, if you withholding information that you have reason to believe would make them change their mind, that is fine? "Withholding information" here is to tell someone that I am transsexual, yes? It's none of their business. I am not actively deceiving anyone and I think that the problem with most people here is that they assume that transsexuals are inherently deceitful. Who I am and what I am has never been about anyone but myself. When it is understood that I am just existing and that all of these expectations and responsibilities being heaped upon me by other people who are living in fear of me when I mean them no harm, but I am expected to go that extra mile to coddle them by nature of existing is truly understood, then this wouldn't be an issue. And if you have good reason to believe providing them with that information would cause them to change their mind about sleeping with you, its ok for you to withhold it? I don't assume the worst in people. My life is happier that way.
Nice dodge to that one. I mean that during the time you spend with the person leading up to sleeping with them, you gain information that would give you reason to believe they would not want to sleep with you if they found out you were transgender. Is it ok to withhold the information at that point?
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On August 03 2013 05:48 Iyerbeth wrote:
I would stronlgy advise all trans people to stop reading and posting in this thread. There's no reason to discuss this now.
When a fucking mod is calling people rapists and making personal attacks, twisting the words of others, misrepresenting banned people's opinions and supporting attacks on others fuck that.
It's been legitimately argued in here that "well what am I supposed to do, not take advantage of their ignorance? Telling people about my status and letting them have informed consent inconveniences me". As if that's a difficult moral question for most of the world. "God my dating life would be hard if I stopped being so rapey, I'm so unfortunate, don't hold me to the same moral standard". It's outrageous.
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On August 03 2013 05:49 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 05:41 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:34 Plansix wrote:On August 03 2013 05:33 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:31 packrat386 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:30 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:27 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:22 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:18 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:14 RaspberrySC2 wrote:
It's pretty busted that trans people have to consider themselves to be rapists in the eyes of others until they are told that they are not. Yeah, asking people if they wanna have sex with you before you have sex with them must suck. Intentional and mean-spirited twisting. In my experience, people ask me and I say "yes" if I want to, not the other way around. But in your's and other people's eyes, that makes me a rapist. There's nothing to say to that other than to call it busted. If you think their assumptions are leading them to consent when they would not otherwise do so and you know their assumptions are false, 100% rapist. I think almost everyone would agree. 100% Double standard. please explain why you think its a double standard? if you deceive someone in order to get a "yes" then its probably rape. It's not deception. *I* don't do anything except exist. Who and what I am is not about anyone else but me. So, if you withholding information that you have reason to believe would make them change their mind, that is fine? "Withholding information" here is to tell someone that I am transsexual, yes? It's none of their business. I am not actively deceiving anyone and I think that the problem with most people here is that they assume that transsexuals are inherently deceitful. It's none of their business right up until the point where they're choosing to consent based on the assumption that you are cis at which point it becomes very much their business. How are you not getting this? A significant number of the trans posters in this topic are making me really quite angry and sickened. It's been a string of "well if I didn't rape people life would be harder for me, what am I meant to do, have my life be hard?" "well I knew they had their criteria for sex but I thought their criteria were dumb so I decided for them", "fuck those guys", "well even if they think it's a big deal I don't think it's a big deal so I decided for them". THESE ARE ABHORRENT AND REALLY, REALLY RAPEY ARGUMENTS. Hell, I've actually become more transphobic from talking to trans people. Get your shit together.
Are you getting that I can't be responsible for other people's assumptions? Stop asking me to be responsible for you.
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On August 03 2013 05:48 fugs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 05:44 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:40 fugs wrote:On August 03 2013 05:37 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:35 fugs wrote:On August 03 2013 05:34 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:32 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:30 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:30 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:27 KwarK wrote:
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If you think their assumptions are leading them to consent when they would not otherwise do so and you know their assumptions are false, 100% rapist. I think almost everyone would agree. 100% Double standard. No, universal moral standard. No. Systemic oppression. Reinforced by bigotry and prejudice wearing the mask of moral standard. Not raping = oppression. Must suck to be a minority and not get given a free moral card to do whatever the fuck you want. Fuck off. I have nothing against trans people. I just really like consent. You're accusing us of rape what'd you expect, a high five? Well stop raping people and I won't call you a rapist. Jesus. It's not hard. A bunch of trans people in here all agree that they tell people for exactly the described reasons. I haven't raped anyone. If I recall correctly they're the ones that put their dick inside of me. Because only women can be raped. Nice... You should return your moral compass to the store you got it from, you sicken me. Oh I'd hate to sicken yet another individual, it's not like the world is full of you people. Stop fucking around and grow up. You definitely don't sound tolerant of trans people since you keep yelling rape. Maybe you should take a look at your own damned moral compass, it's not our job to cater to you. It's not our responsibility to guide your penis around the bar.
"Its not my job to keep her legs shut, she never said no"
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On August 03 2013 05:48 Iyerbeth wrote:
I would stronlgy advise all trans people to stop reading and posting in this thread. There's no reason to discuss this now.
When a fucking mod is calling people rapists and making personal attacks, twisting the words of others, misrepresenting banned people's opinions and supporting attacks on others fuck that.
i think a more accurate description of kwark's behavior would be: frustrated that their correct logical argument regarding consent is not being received as truth, and that everyone doesn't put consent in the same place in their moral pyramid. leading them to being offensive and using exaggerated language in sensitive topics towards sensitive people.
i also agree that trans people should stop reading because i feel so so very bad for you having to read some of this stuff.
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