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On August 03 2013 05:22 RaspberrySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 05:18 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:14 RaspberrySC2 wrote:
It's pretty busted that trans people have to consider themselves to be rapists in the eyes of others until they are told that they are not. Yeah, asking people if they wanna have sex with you before you have sex with them must suck. Intentional and mean-spirited twisting. In my experience, people ask me and I say "yes" if I want to, not the other way around. But in your's and other people's eyes, that makes me a rapist. There's nothing to say to that other than to call it busted.
If you think their assumptions are leading them to consent when they would not otherwise do so and you know their assumptions are false, 100% rapist. I think almost everyone would agree.
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On August 03 2013 05:27 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 05:22 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:18 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:14 RaspberrySC2 wrote:
It's pretty busted that trans people have to consider themselves to be rapists in the eyes of others until they are told that they are not. Yeah, asking people if they wanna have sex with you before you have sex with them must suck. Intentional and mean-spirited twisting. In my experience, people ask me and I say "yes" if I want to, not the other way around. But in your's and other people's eyes, that makes me a rapist. There's nothing to say to that other than to call it busted. If you think their assumptions are leading them to consent when they would not otherwise do so and you know their assumptions are false, 100% rapist. I think almost everyone would agree.
100% Double standard.
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On August 03 2013 05:30 RaspberrySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 05:27 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:22 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:18 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:14 RaspberrySC2 wrote:
It's pretty busted that trans people have to consider themselves to be rapists in the eyes of others until they are told that they are not. Yeah, asking people if they wanna have sex with you before you have sex with them must suck. Intentional and mean-spirited twisting. In my experience, people ask me and I say "yes" if I want to, not the other way around. But in your's and other people's eyes, that makes me a rapist. There's nothing to say to that other than to call it busted. If you think their assumptions are leading them to consent when they would not otherwise do so and you know their assumptions are false, 100% rapist. I think almost everyone would agree. 100% Double standard.
No, universal moral standard.
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On August 03 2013 05:30 RaspberrySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 05:27 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:22 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:18 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:14 RaspberrySC2 wrote:
It's pretty busted that trans people have to consider themselves to be rapists in the eyes of others until they are told that they are not. Yeah, asking people if they wanna have sex with you before you have sex with them must suck. Intentional and mean-spirited twisting. In my experience, people ask me and I say "yes" if I want to, not the other way around. But in your's and other people's eyes, that makes me a rapist. There's nothing to say to that other than to call it busted. If you think their assumptions are leading them to consent when they would not otherwise do so and you know their assumptions are false, 100% rapist. I think almost everyone would agree. 100% Double standard.
please explain why you think its a double standard? if you deceive someone in order to get a "yes" then its probably rape.
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On August 03 2013 05:30 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 05:30 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:27 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:22 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:18 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:14 RaspberrySC2 wrote:
It's pretty busted that trans people have to consider themselves to be rapists in the eyes of others until they are told that they are not. Yeah, asking people if they wanna have sex with you before you have sex with them must suck. Intentional and mean-spirited twisting. In my experience, people ask me and I say "yes" if I want to, not the other way around. But in your's and other people's eyes, that makes me a rapist. There's nothing to say to that other than to call it busted. If you think their assumptions are leading them to consent when they would not otherwise do so and you know their assumptions are false, 100% rapist. I think almost everyone would agree. 100% Double standard. No, universal moral standard.
No. Systemic oppression. Reinforced by bigotry and prejudice wearing the mask of moral standard.
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On August 03 2013 05:31 packrat386 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 05:30 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:27 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:22 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:18 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:14 RaspberrySC2 wrote:
It's pretty busted that trans people have to consider themselves to be rapists in the eyes of others until they are told that they are not. Yeah, asking people if they wanna have sex with you before you have sex with them must suck. Intentional and mean-spirited twisting. In my experience, people ask me and I say "yes" if I want to, not the other way around. But in your's and other people's eyes, that makes me a rapist. There's nothing to say to that other than to call it busted. If you think their assumptions are leading them to consent when they would not otherwise do so and you know their assumptions are false, 100% rapist. I think almost everyone would agree. 100% Double standard. please explain why you think its a double standard? if you deceive someone in order to get a "yes" then its probably rape.
More importantly, withhold information that you believe would case them to say no, not matter what that information is. And its rapey, not rape by the standards of law. You tricked them, you didn't force yourself on them.
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On August 03 2013 05:31 packrat386 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 05:30 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:27 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:22 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:18 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:14 RaspberrySC2 wrote:
It's pretty busted that trans people have to consider themselves to be rapists in the eyes of others until they are told that they are not. Yeah, asking people if they wanna have sex with you before you have sex with them must suck. Intentional and mean-spirited twisting. In my experience, people ask me and I say "yes" if I want to, not the other way around. But in your's and other people's eyes, that makes me a rapist. There's nothing to say to that other than to call it busted. If you think their assumptions are leading them to consent when they would not otherwise do so and you know their assumptions are false, 100% rapist. I think almost everyone would agree. 100% Double standard. please explain why you think its a double standard? if you deceive someone in order to get a "yes" then its probably rape.
It's not deception. *I* don't do anything except exist. Who and what I am is not about anyone else but me.
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On August 03 2013 05:32 RaspberrySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 05:30 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:30 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:27 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:22 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:18 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:14 RaspberrySC2 wrote:
It's pretty busted that trans people have to consider themselves to be rapists in the eyes of others until they are told that they are not. Yeah, asking people if they wanna have sex with you before you have sex with them must suck. Intentional and mean-spirited twisting. In my experience, people ask me and I say "yes" if I want to, not the other way around. But in your's and other people's eyes, that makes me a rapist. There's nothing to say to that other than to call it busted. If you think their assumptions are leading them to consent when they would not otherwise do so and you know their assumptions are false, 100% rapist. I think almost everyone would agree. 100% Double standard. No, universal moral standard. No. Systemic oppression. Reinforced by bigotry and prejudice wearing the mask of moral standard.
Not raping = oppression. Must suck to be a minority and not get given a free moral card to do whatever the fuck you want. Fuck off. I have nothing against trans people. I just really like consent.
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On August 03 2013 05:33 RaspberrySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 05:31 packrat386 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:30 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:27 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:22 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:18 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:14 RaspberrySC2 wrote:
It's pretty busted that trans people have to consider themselves to be rapists in the eyes of others until they are told that they are not. Yeah, asking people if they wanna have sex with you before you have sex with them must suck. Intentional and mean-spirited twisting. In my experience, people ask me and I say "yes" if I want to, not the other way around. But in your's and other people's eyes, that makes me a rapist. There's nothing to say to that other than to call it busted. If you think their assumptions are leading them to consent when they would not otherwise do so and you know their assumptions are false, 100% rapist. I think almost everyone would agree. 100% Double standard. please explain why you think its a double standard? if you deceive someone in order to get a "yes" then its probably rape. It's not deception. *I* don't do anything except exist. Who and what I am is not about anyone else but me.
So, if you withholding information that you have reason to believe would make them change their mind, that is fine?
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In the context of your guys' argument, i think scammer fits better than rapist, unless term rapist is attached because of the topic which is sex
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On August 03 2013 05:33 RaspberrySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 05:31 packrat386 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:30 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:27 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:22 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:18 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:14 RaspberrySC2 wrote:
It's pretty busted that trans people have to consider themselves to be rapists in the eyes of others until they are told that they are not. Yeah, asking people if they wanna have sex with you before you have sex with them must suck. Intentional and mean-spirited twisting. In my experience, people ask me and I say "yes" if I want to, not the other way around. But in your's and other people's eyes, that makes me a rapist. There's nothing to say to that other than to call it busted. If you think their assumptions are leading them to consent when they would not otherwise do so and you know their assumptions are false, 100% rapist. I think almost everyone would agree. 100% Double standard. please explain why you think its a double standard? if you deceive someone in order to get a "yes" then its probably rape. It's not deception. *I* don't do anything except exist. Who and what I am is not about anyone else but me.
I guess would you say its imoral for me not to reveal that I have an STD? I think the general assumption is that people are clean, and maybe they didn't ask. I'm not trying to corner you btw, I'm geniunely interested in your opinion.
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On August 03 2013 05:34 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 05:32 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:30 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:30 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:27 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:22 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:18 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:14 RaspberrySC2 wrote:
It's pretty busted that trans people have to consider themselves to be rapists in the eyes of others until they are told that they are not. Yeah, asking people if they wanna have sex with you before you have sex with them must suck. Intentional and mean-spirited twisting. In my experience, people ask me and I say "yes" if I want to, not the other way around. But in your's and other people's eyes, that makes me a rapist. There's nothing to say to that other than to call it busted. If you think their assumptions are leading them to consent when they would not otherwise do so and you know their assumptions are false, 100% rapist. I think almost everyone would agree. 100% Double standard. No, universal moral standard. No. Systemic oppression. Reinforced by bigotry and prejudice wearing the mask of moral standard. Not raping = oppression. Must suck to be a minority and not get given a free moral card to do whatever the fuck you want. Fuck off. I have nothing against trans people. I just really like consent.
You're accusing us of rape what'd you expect, a high five?
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On August 03 2013 05:34 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 05:32 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:30 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:30 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:27 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:22 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:18 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:14 RaspberrySC2 wrote:
It's pretty busted that trans people have to consider themselves to be rapists in the eyes of others until they are told that they are not. Yeah, asking people if they wanna have sex with you before you have sex with them must suck. Intentional and mean-spirited twisting. In my experience, people ask me and I say "yes" if I want to, not the other way around. But in your's and other people's eyes, that makes me a rapist. There's nothing to say to that other than to call it busted. If you think their assumptions are leading them to consent when they would not otherwise do so and you know their assumptions are false, 100% rapist. I think almost everyone would agree. 100% Double standard. No, universal moral standard. No. Systemic oppression. Reinforced by bigotry and prejudice wearing the mask of moral standard. Not raping = oppression. Must suck to be a minority and not get given a free moral card to do whatever the fuck you want. Fuck off. I have nothing against trans people. I just really like consent.
I'm not doing anything except maybe saying "yes" when someone wants sex from me. I am in no fault and I do not and should not have to live in fear of your fears. You can be the one who fucks off with your misplaced sense of moral superiority.
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On August 03 2013 05:34 jinorazi wrote:
In the context of your guys' argument, i think scammer fits better than rapist, unless term rapist is attached because of the topic which is sex
It's not legally rape because such a law would be unenforcable but morally speaking there is a universal standard under which if you know someone is consenting due to an assumption you know to be false you do not take advantage of their ignorance because you know their consent is not informed consent and that if it was then they would not consent. You tell the person. It's rape.
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On August 03 2013 05:34 jinorazi wrote:
In the context of your guys' argument, i think scammer fits better than rapist, unless term rapist is attached because of the topic which is sex
Exploitive is good as well. The person in clearly as asshole if they withhold any information with the sole purpose to assure they get laid.
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On August 03 2013 05:35 fugs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 05:34 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:32 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:30 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:30 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:27 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:22 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:18 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:14 RaspberrySC2 wrote:
It's pretty busted that trans people have to consider themselves to be rapists in the eyes of others until they are told that they are not. Yeah, asking people if they wanna have sex with you before you have sex with them must suck. Intentional and mean-spirited twisting. In my experience, people ask me and I say "yes" if I want to, not the other way around. But in your's and other people's eyes, that makes me a rapist. There's nothing to say to that other than to call it busted. If you think their assumptions are leading them to consent when they would not otherwise do so and you know their assumptions are false, 100% rapist. I think almost everyone would agree. 100% Double standard. No, universal moral standard. No. Systemic oppression. Reinforced by bigotry and prejudice wearing the mask of moral standard. Not raping = oppression. Must suck to be a minority and not get given a free moral card to do whatever the fuck you want. Fuck off. I have nothing against trans people. I just really like consent. You're accusing us of rape what'd you expect, a high five?
Well stop raping people and I won't call you a rapist. Jesus. It's not hard. A bunch of trans people in here all agree that they tell people for exactly the described reasons.
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I find it funny how transgenders claim tricking is a myth but so far everyone of them in this thread as far as I can tell have outright condoned exactly that.
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On August 03 2013 05:36 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 05:34 jinorazi wrote:
In the context of your guys' argument, i think scammer fits better than rapist, unless term rapist is attached because of the topic which is sex It's not legally rape because such a law would be unenforcable but morally speaking there is a universal standard under which if you know someone is consenting due to an assumption you know to be false you do not take advantage of their ignorance because you know their consent is not informed consent and that if it was then they would not consent. You tell the person. It's rape.
just to complete the circle tho. they don't KNOW the potential partner is making a false assumption.
you have to make this argument simultaneously with - it is reasonable to assume that there is a good chance the person asking you for sex is only doing so because they think you are cis.
which is fucking cruel to hear mang.
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On August 03 2013 05:37 heliusx wrote:
I find it funny how transgenders claim tricking is a myth but so far everyone of them in this thread as far as I can tell have outright condoned exactly that.
you cannot tell very far leading me to believe you didn't read very closely.
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On August 03 2013 05:35 fugs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 05:34 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:32 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:30 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:30 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:27 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:22 RaspberrySC2 wrote:On August 03 2013 05:18 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2013 05:14 RaspberrySC2 wrote:
It's pretty busted that trans people have to consider themselves to be rapists in the eyes of others until they are told that they are not. Yeah, asking people if they wanna have sex with you before you have sex with them must suck. Intentional and mean-spirited twisting. In my experience, people ask me and I say "yes" if I want to, not the other way around. But in your's and other people's eyes, that makes me a rapist. There's nothing to say to that other than to call it busted. If you think their assumptions are leading them to consent when they would not otherwise do so and you know their assumptions are false, 100% rapist. I think almost everyone would agree. 100% Double standard. No, universal moral standard. No. Systemic oppression. Reinforced by bigotry and prejudice wearing the mask of moral standard. Not raping = oppression. Must suck to be a minority and not get given a free moral card to do whatever the fuck you want. Fuck off. I have nothing against trans people. I just really like consent. You're accusing us of rape what'd you expect, a high five?
Would you have sex with someone you knew never would want to have sex with you if they knew about your operation? If not, then you dont stand accused. If you would, then you should reconsider your moral framework imo.
I personally dont really care if someone is transgender. Not if I cant tell the difference without medical equipment at any rate. But others may feel differently (many people do).
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