EPT"White Paper" from Ob DOJ justifies assassination - Page 2
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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Jarree
Finland1004 Posts
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Jisall
United States2054 Posts
On February 06 2013 14:37 nojok wrote: Most of terrorism in the US come from their own extrem right wing, not foreign countries, seems fair & logical. Last i checked Obama was left wing. Nice try however. | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1598 Posts
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eqinf
Germany100 Posts
but when u compare number of death caused by terrorism compared to assimilating with drones - some terrorists killed a week way more civilists kileld by terrorists ? also the us is not the only western stat what acts like this (Israel best example) so as a german, theese days i m obviously against any kind of death penalty , but our "moral impperialism" doesnt really appeal to the rest of the world also ist kinda funny to see this discussion right now , where ist actually allready common knowledge that the us kills terrorists with drones for years | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1598 Posts
On February 06 2013 15:28 eqinf wrote: well i m not a fan of "firststrike justice" or killing ppl with drones (actually i m against death penalty , violence leads to more violence) but when u compare number of death caused by terrorism compared to assimilating with drones - 2 terrorists killed a week per ~ 50 civilians ? also the us is not the only western stat what acts like this (Israel best example) so as a german, theese days i m obviously against any kind of death penalty , but our "moral impperialism" doesnt really appeal to the rest of the world also ist kinda funny to see this discussion right now , where ist actually allready common knowledge that the us kills terrorists with drones for years That is the power of the US media. Brings up a topic and instantly the sheep follow. But please, let's not act like every government doesn't have dirt similar to this. Maybe they're not drone strikes, but bullets and poison accomplish the same goal. | ||
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TerribleNoobling
Azerbaijan179 Posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdulrahman_al-Aulaqi don't worry though, because the Obama administration has an explanation. Apparently it's his fault for having an irresponsible father. A father who was himself murdered not for being a terrorist but rather for "provoking terrorism" i.e. the U.S. government didn't like what he had to say and they shot him for it. | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1598 Posts
On February 06 2013 15:40 TerribleNoobling wrote: Luckily this power will never be abused. It's not like they would use it to murder a 16 year old boy or anything. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdulrahman_al-Aulaqi don't worry though, because the Obama administration has an explanation. Apparently it's his fault for having an irresponsible father. A father who was himself murdered not for being a terrorist but rather for "provoking terrorism" i.e. the U.S. government didn't like what he had to say and they shot him for it. You linked an article that is about an unintended target, that gives no real information about the intended target that. And from what I read from the sources in that wikipedia article is seems like the father was a bomb maker? | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
It's stunts like that that worry me the most. Nobody knows what the hell is going on, and nobody wants anyone else to do what they're doing. Some light on the matter would be nice. | ||
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TerribleNoobling
Azerbaijan179 Posts
You linked an article that is about an unintended target, that gives no real information about the intended target that I know this is a terrible and shocking truth I am going to impart upon you... but some times the government lies. They're not going just going to admit that they murdered a sixteen year old kid in cold blood. But two weeks after they murder his father, they accidentally murder him? And you think this is a coincidence? | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
It basically all comes down to the extreme reaction that the US had to 9/11. The USA PATRIOT act onwards...it's all just a big fuck you to the concept of the rule of law. What's really jarring is that US is SUPPOSED to be a country that's all about the rule of law. The amount of lawyers that were signers and drafters of the constitution...they all knew exactly how important the rule of law was, habeas corpus and all that jazz. And since 9/11 there has been this rapid erosion of the principles that were supposed to underpin the entire country. That, in many ways, were the point of the country being set up in the first place!!! | ||
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terranu1
Romania53 Posts
Fact is,when you're surrounded by enemies, your democracy will only last as long as your determination and means are stronger than theirs in whatever they do against you, no exceptions. | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1598 Posts
On February 06 2013 16:24 TerribleNoobling wrote: I know this is a terrible and shocking truth I am going to impart upon you... but some times the government lies. They're not going just going to admit that they murdered a sixteen year old kid in cold blood. But two weeks after they murder his father, they accidentally murder him? And you think this is a coincidence? You think they wasted a predator missile on a teenage boy or that they were actually attempting to kill Ibrahim al-Banna? I don't know, but what would they gain from this? They don't even use drone strike to kill individual Al-Qaeda grunts what makes this kid so special? Now for a serious question. Why was the kid who's father was a terrorist meeting with yet another terrorist on the day of the drone strike? | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
On February 06 2013 21:38 terranu1 wrote: It's "really surprising" that hits must be ordered whenever you know someone is guilty but the law system is so screwed and corrupt it takes too long to use it against the mob or terrorist or whatever.Even more "surprising" that this process must be kept secret and as far away from public knowledge. Fact is,when you're surrounded by enemies, your democracy will only last as long as your determination and means are stronger than theirs in whatever they do against you, no exceptions. Due process is the cornerstone of society. Democracy depends on it being upheld vigilantly. The way you deal with your enemies in war is different from the way you deal with malfeasance of citizens in peace time so I understand it's complicated. But in general the point you are making is extremely dangerous and short-sighted. The right to be tried in a legal system, to face your accusations and make a defence is quintessential and has been for hundreds of years. | ||
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sekritzzz
1515 Posts
On February 06 2013 11:50 Jugan wrote: Yeah, it's obviously better to invade and destabilize an entire region at the cost of tens of thousands of lives, as opposed to precise, surgical strikes that have been proven to be effective at eliminating key terrorist leaders. And let's also conveniently forget that this type of thing has been going on for centuries, in different shapes and sizes. 2% of the people killed in those "precise" and "surgical" strikes are known militants according to a published study. I'm not sure if I should trust you or Obama's security adviser as far as effectiveness goes. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/07/obama-adviser-criticises-drone-policy | ||
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sekritzzz
1515 Posts
On February 06 2013 15:45 NoobSkills wrote: You linked an article that is about an unintended target, that gives no real information about the intended target that. And from what I read from the sources in that wikipedia article is seems like the father was a bomb maker? The missile struck the 16 yr old kid and his friend when they were eating at a restaurant. He was definitely the intended target. | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
he should be allowed to kill his own people BEFORE be allowed to kill others ... in fact i see more logical reasons he can kill his own country people then people from other countrys he has nothing to do with .... | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
On February 06 2013 16:24 TerribleNoobling wrote: I know this is a terrible and shocking truth I am going to impart upon you... but some times the government lies. They're not going just going to admit that they murdered a sixteen year old kid in cold blood. But two weeks after they murder his father, they accidentally murder him? And you think this is a coincidence? Please, I do not think I have met anyone (other than my buddy from Turkmenistan) who truly says anything good about their government. Most people here are not North Koreans, in fact, the mainstream thought right now is to hate the government. Also, when Wikileaks happened, I do not think there was anyone who went "OMG!!! THE GOVERNMENT IS LYING?? MY LIFE HAS BEEN A LIE! WHO CAN WE TRUST ANYMORE?!?!?!" | ||
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Tanukki
Finland579 Posts
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