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{CC}StealthBlue
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On October 31 2017 09:30 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: I think Mr. Legum is getting a little ahead of himself by presuming that Mr. Trump is the person who should be worried. After seeing what's in the indictments, I can think of several people who have more to worry about now. EDIT: Speaking of which, where is the ChristianS police? Here's the opportunity for him to prove my charge of hypocrisy wrong. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24505 Posts
On October 31 2017 09:52 xDaunt wrote: I use RINO to label all of the republicans who promised and then failed to deliver big conservative policy objectives. If Rand Paul is who you view as the closest to exemplifying conservative values/policy on the national political scene, and "RINO" references Republicans that don't vote/legislate conservative policy, is it fair to say you are saying Rand Paul is an example of the Republican that others are imitating in name only? | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
No holds barred in the VA governors race. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On October 31 2017 10:01 GreenHorizons wrote: If Rand Paul is who you view as the closest to exemplifying conservative values/policy on the national political scene, and "RINO" references Republicans that don't vote/legislate conservative policy, is it fair to say you are saying Rand Paul is an example of the Republican that others are imitating in name only? I think you're conflating a couple different concepts. I singled Rand Paul out as a particularly principled conservative (and just to be clear, I singled him out as such because he is principled, not necessarily because I agree with his version of conservatism on all points). RINOs are people who espouse conservative principles while on the campaign trail and then do "other stuff" while in Washington. I think there has to be an element of hypocrisy. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14220 Posts
On October 31 2017 10:11 xDaunt wrote: I think you're conflating a couple different concepts. I singled Rand Paul out as a particularly principled conservative (and just to be clear, I singled him out as such because he is principled, not necessarily because I agree with his version of conservatism on all points). RINOs are people who espouse conservative principles while on the campaign trail and then do "other stuff" while in Washington. I think there has to be an element of hypocrisy. Ie the republicans who ran on small government in 2000ish and then had a war to fight so grew the government instead. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24505 Posts
On October 31 2017 10:11 xDaunt wrote: I think you're conflating a couple different concepts. I singled Rand Paul out as a particularly principled conservative (and just to be clear, I singled him out as such because he is principled, not necessarily because I agree with his version of conservatism on all points). RINOs are people who espouse conservative principles while on the campaign trail and then do "other stuff" while in Washington. I think there has to be an element of hypocrisy. Can you point to examples (other than Rand Paul) of not-RINO's? | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On October 31 2017 10:13 Sermokala wrote: Ie the republicans who ran on small government in 2000ish and then had a war to fight so grew the government instead. Correct. The Bushes are the patriarchs of RINOs. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On October 31 2017 10:14 GreenHorizons wrote: Can you point to examples (other than Rand Paul) of not-RINO's? I’d have to think about it. None really comes to mind immediately. Not saying that they aren’t out there, but I’d have to give the question some thought and research. | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
On October 31 2017 09:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Or to be a harsh realist he is an old man who knows he's dying and the world will keep turning when he's gone so he's in a desperate attempt to mend his legacy. I totally get that and is what I've been telling myself for months. But, eh, you gotta give some benefit of the doubt somewhere. And there aren't many candidates. edit: what I particularly liked about this msg from him is it speaks directly to the deflective conspiracy-theorying that we're seeing from Fox et al. This. So much this. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24505 Posts
On October 31 2017 10:18 xDaunt wrote: I’d have to think about it. None really comes to mind immediately. Not saying that they aren’t out there, but I’d have to give the question some thought and research. I have a sincere curiosity, so don't let me discourage you from doing that, but can you see why people think it's an amorphous and somewhat insincere attack. Or perhaps, at minimum, a misnomer? | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On October 31 2017 10:25 GreenHorizons wrote: I have a sincere curiosity, so don't let me discourage you from doing that, but can you see why people think it's an amorphous and somewhat insincere attack. Or perhaps, at minimum, a misnomer? Where would you object to its application? | ||
micronesia
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
On October 31 2017 10:35 Dangermousecatdog wrote: What ARE "big conservative policy objectives"? A) Tax cuts for the super rich. B) Tax cuts for the rich. C) Tax cuts for the upper class. They're all Republicans. In name and in practice. The appropriate term here may as well be "Scotsman". They're all scots. This is much the same treatment Dubya got when he left office with terrible approval ratings. He's not a benefit to the brand anymore, so he's no longer a Scotsman. He's a "RINO"! | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28923 Posts
On October 31 2017 10:18 xDaunt wrote: I’d have to think about it. None really comes to mind immediately. Not saying that they aren’t out there, but I’d have to give the question some thought and research. Don't you agree that 'republican in name only' is a bit of a misnomer if there basically are no republicans that aren't republicans in name only? I mean I know you said 'not saying that they aren't out there', but it seems like you consider a vast majority of republicans republicans in name only. Isn't it more appropriate to adjust your opinion of what being 'a republican' constitutes? | ||
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Sermokala
United States14220 Posts
On October 31 2017 10:41 Leporello wrote: A) Tax cuts for the super rich. B) Tax cuts for the rich. C) Tax cuts for the upper class. They're all Republicans. In name and in practice. The appropriate term here may as well be "Scotsman". They're all scots. This is much the same treatment Dubya got when he left office with terrible approval ratings. He's not a benefit to the brand anymore, so he's no longer a Scotsman. He's a "RINO"! Rank and file conservatives were always unhappy with Dubs. Dubs had that texas enron money machine that no one in the world could touch running over everyone. He made a lot of the religious right unhappy with his attempts to shift left socialy while doubling down financially on the right. But then 9/11 happened and he felt called by god to lead a crusade and that bloated the government. He still delivered on the tax cuts but the big government part of his brand wasn't something the right really could handle swallowing after 2006. If the civil war didn't break out somehow RINO's wouldn't exist beacuse dubs would be proto-obama. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On October 31 2017 10:41 Leporello wrote: A) Tax cuts for the super rich. B) Tax cuts for the rich. C) Tax cuts for the upper class. They're all Republicans. In name and in practice. The appropriate term here may as well be "Scotsman". They're all scots. This is much the same treatment Dubya got when he left office with terrible approval ratings. He's not a benefit to the brand anymore, so he's no longer a Scotsman. He's a "RINO"! This makes me thing of Groundskeeper Willy's rant about the Scots ruining Scotland and finding it amusingly applicable. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On October 31 2017 10:53 Liquid`Drone wrote: Don't you agree that 'republican in name only' is a bit of a misnomer if there basically are no republicans that aren't republicans in name only? I mean I know you said 'not saying that they aren't out there', but it seems like you consider a vast majority of republicans republicans in name only. Isn't it more appropriate to adjust your opinion of what being 'a republican' constitutes? Like I told GH a few posts ago, you are conflating two distinct concepts. That a republican is not a “very principled conservative” does not mean that he is a RINO. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24505 Posts
When accusing Republicans of not being Republicans pretty much. | ||
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