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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 22 2017 17:19 GMT
#138901
On February 23 2017 02:01 Mohdoo wrote:
If I may predict:

Perez gets it and we gain in 2018 but not nearly what we should have after Trump's first 2 years and not enough to make a huge difference.

It is hard to tell, but my bet is on him winning. But it all going to come down to what candidates they get for each set they want to fight over. And if they can craft an appealing party message. My money is on campaign finance reform and infrastructure. Everyone hates election ads, banks and loves the idea of rebuilding bridges.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
February 22 2017 17:19 GMT
#138902
The president weighs in on the DNC chair issue.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-22 17:49:24
February 22 2017 17:20 GMT
#138903
On February 23 2017 02:08 LegalLord wrote:
Hard to beat DWS at being bad. But the DNC is determined to try.

I can only hope. This Trumps stuff is getting passe.

On February 23 2017 02:19 LegalLord wrote:
The president weighs in on the DNC chair issue.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/834377364947816448

Such a troll.

On February 23 2017 00:58 ChristianS wrote:
Hey, did you guys notice this?

https://www.teamliquidpro.com/news/2017/02/08/team-liquid-alternative-facts

I'm guessing they didn't get xDaunt to write that one.

Seriously, the only question at this point is if the hate is fully trolling or somewhat actually believes in the foolish thought.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
February 22 2017 17:35 GMT
#138904
The power of partisanship

Trainrunnef
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States601 Posts
February 22 2017 17:35 GMT
#138905
On February 23 2017 02:19 LegalLord wrote:
The president weighs in on the DNC chair issue.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/834377364947816448


Oh jesus.... Can he ever pass up an opportunity to toot his own horn?
I am, therefore I pee
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
February 22 2017 17:39 GMT
#138906
On February 23 2017 02:35 Trainrunnef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2017 02:19 LegalLord wrote:
The president weighs in on the DNC chair issue.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/834377364947816448


Oh jesus.... Can he ever pass up an opportunity to toot his own horn?

Maybe he will at some point, but then he'll ruin it by bragging afterward about how maturely he resisted the urge to toot his own horn.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 22 2017 17:44 GMT
#138907
On February 23 2017 02:35 Trainrunnef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2017 02:19 LegalLord wrote:
The president weighs in on the DNC chair issue.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/834377364947816448


Oh jesus.... Can he ever pass up an opportunity to toot his own horn?

no, it's part of his character.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
February 22 2017 18:03 GMT
#138908
On February 23 2017 02:35 Doodsmack wrote:
The power of partisanship

https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/status/834115756501630979

Republicans like winners, Democrats hate them. That's what happened here.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46687 Posts
February 22 2017 18:26 GMT
#138909
On February 23 2017 03:03 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2017 02:35 Doodsmack wrote:
The power of partisanship

https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/status/834115756501630979

Republicans like winners, Democrats hate them. That's what happened here.


Democrats hate winners?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 22 2017 18:28 GMT
#138910
On February 23 2017 03:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2017 03:03 LegalLord wrote:
On February 23 2017 02:35 Doodsmack wrote:
The power of partisanship

https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/status/834115756501630979

Republicans like winners, Democrats hate them. That's what happened here.


Democrats hate winners?

My god, why would you take that bait? You know its bait right?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-22 18:30:17
February 22 2017 18:29 GMT
#138911
On February 23 2017 03:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2017 03:03 LegalLord wrote:
On February 23 2017 02:35 Doodsmack wrote:
The power of partisanship

https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/status/834115756501630979

Republicans like winners, Democrats hate them. That's what happened here.


Democrats hate winners?

What other explanation would you have for choosing to nominate Hillary Clinton, a non-winner? For being brutalized at the local/state level? It's almost like they don't want to win.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Trainrunnef
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States601 Posts
February 22 2017 18:31 GMT
#138912
On February 23 2017 03:29 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2017 03:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On February 23 2017 03:03 LegalLord wrote:
On February 23 2017 02:35 Doodsmack wrote:
The power of partisanship

https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/status/834115756501630979

Republicans like winners, Democrats hate them. That's what happened here.


Democrats hate winners?

What other explanation would you have for choosing to nominate Hillary Clinton, a non-winner? For being brutalized at the local/state level? It's almost like they don't want to win.


Hook, line, and sinker
I am, therefore I pee
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
February 22 2017 18:39 GMT
#138913
Guys, please take it easy on the trolling.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
February 22 2017 19:16 GMT
#138914
As the war between government forces and Russian-backed rebels continues in eastern Ukraine, a peace plan purportedly crafted by two associates of President Trump and a member of Ukraine’s parliament is causing an increasing backlash.

Ukrainian Prosecutor-General Yuriy Lutsenko said Tuesday that an investigation would be opened against lawmaker Andrei Artemenko on possible treason charges.

The New York Times reported Tuesday that Artemenko was suspected of conspiring with Russian officials to commit “subversive acts against Ukraine,” including pushing his proposal for a deal that would “legitimize the temporary occupation” of the Crimean peninsula.

Russia annexed Crimea in 2014 by force, soon after Ukraine’s Russia-friendly president fled the country in the wake of massive street protests. The U.S. and its allies in Europe have refused to recognize the Russian annexation, and have levied harsh sanctions against Russia in response.

President Vladimir Putin’s seizure of part of a neighboring country also prompted NATO to deploy military hardware and thousands more troops -- including about 4,000 U.S. service members -- to countries on the edge of Moscow’s sphere of political influence in eastern Europe.

According to the Times, Artemenko flew into New York in January and met privately with Mr. Trump’s personal lawyer Michael Cohen and a Russian-American man named Felix Sater. Sater, said the Times, was a business partner of Mr. Trump’s who was tasked as recently as 2015 with scouting business opportunities for Mr. Trump in Russia.

The Times reported that Artemenko crafted his plan, which calls for Ukrainians to vote on whether to lease Crimea to Russia for either 50 or 100 years, with Cohen and Slater, but the Trump associates’ role in the proposal is unconfirmed; other reports suggest the Ukrainian was essentially pitching the plan to the men in New York.

Source

Guess negotiations with Trump's team are treason.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 22 2017 19:20 GMT
#138915
That would be dangerously close to treason in the US too. Any time a politician is trying to cut deals with other world governments and not being super open about it, it is close to treason.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18488 Posts
February 22 2017 19:28 GMT
#138916
On February 23 2017 00:54 eviltomahawk wrote:
At least that deportation policy seems to only apply to people who cross over the border from Mexico. Apparently there are quite a few undocumented Asian immigrants that wouldn't make sense for the policy to apply to. Their numbers don't seem to be great enough in comparison to Central/South American undocumented immigrants to warrant as much public scrutiny though.

Whereas sending Cubans, Brazilians and Hondurans to Mexico would make sense?

News flash: just because they come from some country to the south of you doesn't make them Mexican, or related to Mexicans, or even having entered the country through Mexico (in fact, insofar as I know the statistics, most fly in and overstay their tourist visa: no need to touch ground in Mexico for that).
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22703 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-22 19:37:50
February 22 2017 19:29 GMT
#138917
On February 23 2017 04:16 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
As the war between government forces and Russian-backed rebels continues in eastern Ukraine, a peace plan purportedly crafted by two associates of President Trump and a member of Ukraine’s parliament is causing an increasing backlash.

Ukrainian Prosecutor-General Yuriy Lutsenko said Tuesday that an investigation would be opened against lawmaker Andrei Artemenko on possible treason charges.

The New York Times reported Tuesday that Artemenko was suspected of conspiring with Russian officials to commit “subversive acts against Ukraine,” including pushing his proposal for a deal that would “legitimize the temporary occupation” of the Crimean peninsula.

Russia annexed Crimea in 2014 by force, soon after Ukraine’s Russia-friendly president fled the country in the wake of massive street protests. The U.S. and its allies in Europe have refused to recognize the Russian annexation, and have levied harsh sanctions against Russia in response.

President Vladimir Putin’s seizure of part of a neighboring country also prompted NATO to deploy military hardware and thousands more troops -- including about 4,000 U.S. service members -- to countries on the edge of Moscow’s sphere of political influence in eastern Europe.

According to the Times, Artemenko flew into New York in January and met privately with Mr. Trump’s personal lawyer Michael Cohen and a Russian-American man named Felix Sater. Sater, said the Times, was a business partner of Mr. Trump’s who was tasked as recently as 2015 with scouting business opportunities for Mr. Trump in Russia.

The Times reported that Artemenko crafted his plan, which calls for Ukrainians to vote on whether to lease Crimea to Russia for either 50 or 100 years, with Cohen and Slater, but the Trump associates’ role in the proposal is unconfirmed; other reports suggest the Ukrainian was essentially pitching the plan to the men in New York.

Source

Guess negotiations with Trump's team are treason.

privately conducting negotiations with a foreign government for the secession of land without approval from your government is treason yes.
And you know this, but this is bait/troll post about Trump/Russia number 28523 from you since the election.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
February 22 2017 19:44 GMT
#138918
In case anyone else was curious...
While she’s still in the room (off-camera) at the White House press briefings, it appears that Counselor to the President Kellyanne Conway has been benched from what she’s best known for, which is defending Donald Trump on TV. CNN Money reported on Wednesday that Conway will not be making TV appearances for a while after she strayed from the administration’s official position in interviews about the resignation of National Security Advisor Michael Flynn. Specifically, she had said Flynn had Trump’s “full confidence” a few hours before his resignation, and then, the following day, said Flynn had offered up the resignation. That was contrary to White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer saying that Trump asked him to resign.

One White House source told CNN that she went “off-message,” with another adding that “Clearly they’re having much more of a drama-free week,” so “Having Kellyanne off television is helping them.” This came on the heels of her getting in hot water over encouraging Americans to buy Ivanka Trump’s clothing line in a Fox News Channel appearance.

Also on Mediaite April Ryan Claims Donald Trump Said White People Made Americ…


Update: NBC’s Hallie Jackson got a comment from Conway, who says this isn’t true, with a TV appearance potentially coming as soon as tonight. Conway then reached out to CNN’s Dylan Byers, who reported the initial story, to say that she will be on Fox News tonight. He stands by the story since “she hasn’t been on TV for over a week,” and pointed out that it’s now become routine for the White House to not comment until a story is published so they can “do something to imply it’s not true.”

This is a developing story.

Source
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
February 22 2017 19:57 GMT
#138919
Every non fox station should just ban her. Almost nothing she says is true. It's a complete waste of time and serves to spread more alternate facts. I know a few already have but they all need to.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
February 22 2017 20:10 GMT
#138920
On February 23 2017 04:29 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2017 04:16 LegalLord wrote:
As the war between government forces and Russian-backed rebels continues in eastern Ukraine, a peace plan purportedly crafted by two associates of President Trump and a member of Ukraine’s parliament is causing an increasing backlash.

Ukrainian Prosecutor-General Yuriy Lutsenko said Tuesday that an investigation would be opened against lawmaker Andrei Artemenko on possible treason charges.

The New York Times reported Tuesday that Artemenko was suspected of conspiring with Russian officials to commit “subversive acts against Ukraine,” including pushing his proposal for a deal that would “legitimize the temporary occupation” of the Crimean peninsula.

Russia annexed Crimea in 2014 by force, soon after Ukraine’s Russia-friendly president fled the country in the wake of massive street protests. The U.S. and its allies in Europe have refused to recognize the Russian annexation, and have levied harsh sanctions against Russia in response.

President Vladimir Putin’s seizure of part of a neighboring country also prompted NATO to deploy military hardware and thousands more troops -- including about 4,000 U.S. service members -- to countries on the edge of Moscow’s sphere of political influence in eastern Europe.

According to the Times, Artemenko flew into New York in January and met privately with Mr. Trump’s personal lawyer Michael Cohen and a Russian-American man named Felix Sater. Sater, said the Times, was a business partner of Mr. Trump’s who was tasked as recently as 2015 with scouting business opportunities for Mr. Trump in Russia.

The Times reported that Artemenko crafted his plan, which calls for Ukrainians to vote on whether to lease Crimea to Russia for either 50 or 100 years, with Cohen and Slater, but the Trump associates’ role in the proposal is unconfirmed; other reports suggest the Ukrainian was essentially pitching the plan to the men in New York.

Source

Guess negotiations with Trump's team are treason.

privately conducting negotiations with a foreign government for the secession of land without approval from your government is treason yes.
And you know this, but this is bait/troll post about Trump/Russia number 28523 from you since the election.


Not to mention claiming to have kompromat on the Ukrainian president which is part of his deal. That actually is treason.
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